Scientology used an ice cream ‘date’ to run up $20,000 on senior’s credit cards

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  1. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    If the CofS ever got sued for elder abuse - that practice could dry up. I just am amazed at the lack of a moral compass these three, and their senior that sent them after this guy, had.

    Mimsey
     
  2. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    I don't think fiscal scamming, which certainly has it's own penalties is going to be prosecuted as Elder Abuse and it certainly should not be.

    Elder Abuse is on the person of the elder, not the fiscal assets. It's as pejorative a crime as child abuse and should not be subject to diversion or dilution...
     
  3. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    Well William, I may be many things, but gay is not one of them. As for snorting coke, I went from the music business to the casino business, what do you think?

    And I still say I wouldn't touch any one of those three dogs with a bargepole.
     
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  4. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Regges get $ Commissions....

    Are not Regges the highest paid staff members?
     
  5. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    I think I'll respect your rights under the Fifth Amendment sir...
     
  6. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    It's a good question. Somehow I have a difficult time envisioning any Sea Org post being commission based because SO crew aren't supposed to be money motivated - at least for themselves, and if they were especially successful I'd expect senior management to find a way to renege on the arrangement or cap it.

    But without regges the staff don't eat or get paid and money doesn't get skimmed up lines so it will be one of the most closely micromanaged positions and most stressful. I can totally see how Enid Byrne would die the way she did. I would also expect that especially lucrative prospects (read: marks) will have a special program written just for them which will detail every aspect of their lives in order to identify buttons to push and angles to play, resistance or other priorities to handle, who to double team and divide and conquer. Teams might be hand selected by number, age and sex and drilled on anticipated scenarios. For a valuable prospect the team would be well versed in "Big League Sales Closing Techniques" and manipulative Tone Scale Drills. If a reg cycle is successful the successful actions are identified and perfected and if it fails the unsuccessful actions are identified and drilled to avoid. Imagine a team of regges who have been through this many times together. I'd expect them to be very smooth. Soft selling in Scientology is essentially criminal. If you soft sell you are effectively condemning that person and all of humanity to eternal spiritual imprisonment and soft selling is a manifestation of reasonableness or going into agreement with out-ethics because of your own out-ethics. Regges will be punished and sec-checked for soft selling. Hard selling is an admired quality in any Scientologist but especially inculcated in Sea Org Recruiters and Regges. I can see where scripting 3 girls on a bubbly outing to an ice cream parlor would be very effective. Lots of interaction and distraction, neutral playful surroundings, no awkward dead quite moments for reflection, keep up the momentum, leaving one free to maintain unobtrusive text and phone relays with their handler while the other 2 stay engaged, not just one but 3 damsels in need of saving - or at least help getting their stats up by Thursday at 2:00 so they get a day off and not assigned to a lower condition. The rest of the crew don't have a petty cash fund for ice cream runs or a car, and it would take days to get a CSW approved to take the time off. But for regges this is part of the gig and the rest of the crew are rooting for them.

    I'd love to see someone do a Project Veritas type operation on this and follow it through to the unauthorized credit card charges and the Church's response for refunds.
     
  7. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Enid had her own apartment in a non-SO building... ( wog building...) close to AO. It was pointed out to me one day. She did not berth with other SO Members.

    I’m very sure regges get a percentage $ Commission....
     
  8. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    That was a long time ago so I do wonder how things are now. I would expect that according to LRH's thinking he would want regges to "have a higher havingness" in order to be able to inflow money but things seem to be much more punishment and deprivation motivated now. Of course it is bad PR to have a run down reg demanding thousands or millions from you so there is the upstat image angle. Also, Enid was an AO reg and that was worlds above LAO in terms of status. I can't imagine that much has changed since then.
     
  9. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    Do they also think their dicks are made out of ice cream?
     
  10. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    There's a name for women who pretend to like you, while scheming to swindle you out of all your money. No intelligent man would even want to talk to one, let alone allow her into his home.

    The psychopath is able to counterfeit the appearance of affection, while intending to harm you the whole while. I would not trust any of these women, ever, even if they left Scientology and gave the appearance of remorse.
     
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  11. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Regges and book sellers. I once had a chance to look at the Flag Land Base's payroll. The FSO book store officer made over a thousand that week, and this was in the early 80's. I remember feeling a bit upset over that.

    And reg commissions get paid FIRST, ahead of other expenses. It tells you a lot about the personality type which gets recruited into these positions, a personality who could not be counted on to do the job unless well compensated, and who would be counted upon to get the money by whatever means necessary.
     
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    Enthetan Master of Disaster

  13. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks for the link. Short thread with interesting but conflicting info. Would be nice to get current skinny. My takeaway is that they have backed away from individual commissions for staff (not FSMs) just as I would expect.

    Why use carrots when sticks work just as well.
     
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  14. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    Yup.

    And usually happy to spritz a can of Redi-Whip on it for ya...
     
  15. phenomanon

    phenomanon Front door security.

    Last time I saw him was at my practice in Maple Valley around 1990. I lost track. But I know where his home is. I should check him out.
    Are you talking about his "Excaliber"?
     
  16. Dave B.

    Dave B. Maximus Ultimus Mostimus

    Yes, that's the one. In it, he sounds like he has a good exterior non-reverential perspective on Hubbard and $cientology, and it's place in the grand scheme of things. I'd say that ebook is where most (80% ?) of my opinions/viewpoint about $cn., excepting my own personal experience with the cult, comes from. (I guess that makes him my opinion leader, lol)

    Excaliber, Pilot's and L.Kin's ebooks combined are very good references to help understand our particular fuster-cluck out here. Not an endorsement of total belief on my part but I cast a wide net on "fringe-y" info and actively seek it out.
     
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  17. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    My my, we're learning more and more about you every day CP. :cool:
     
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  18. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    Oh, and talking about coke, I once bought some from a very dodgy looking character outside the St. Francis Hotel in 1980. It wasn't you was it?
     
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  19. TomKat

    TomKat Patron with Honors

    I noticed an Amazon review by someone named Filbert who, based on other reviews, could have been him. The reviews were against GMOs and I believe may have mentioned Red Elk.
     

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