Wed., January 10, 2018: A Christian Response to Scientology, at Calvary Church, Clearwater, Florida

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  1. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    I LOVE!

    honest serious questions!

    But I'm not exactly sure what you are asking

    If you're asking how that works out between me and the organization of CoS then it's lousy.
  2. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Is organized Christianity engaged in criminal activity in present time (like Scientology)?
  3. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    That's the reference I'm asking about.
  4. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Auditing and auditor training are "compatible" with Christianity only when you lie to Christians, omitting to tell them the true Scientology view on Christianity and Christ until they've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and gotten onto the upper levels.
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  5. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    The dissolution of Christian ideals and thinking as far as I know is one of the end points of auditing and scientology. I could not see where any compatibility exists, hence the question.

    Unless you can inform me of what I am maybe not seeing.
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  6. Terril park

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    I think that much of Scn and christianity is compatible.
    That dosn't mean that all aspects are.
  7. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    True. If you remove Jesus from the picture I can see that there is some compatibility. :whistling:
  8. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    They could be seen as similar, in that both require belief in things that cannot and never will be proven; both believe in "miracles" without evidence (or verifiable results); both require unquestioning adherence to their decrees and discourage pesky questions.

    But "compatible"? Not in any significant way, no.
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  9. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    Well, basically on what I'm saying here, I am myself the reference
    The way things are rigged in CoS this is, apparently, the truth

    But COAS is different.

    The Church of American Science has a charter tendered by LRH, Mary Sue, and John Galusha and was originally intended to be a church specifically for christians to study auditing, dianetics and scientology. Hubbard himself appears to have thought of it as a front group and figured "the smart ones" would turn into scientologists and swing with CoS.

    COAS has not succeeded in organizing it's own church, unfortunately. I presume efforts to do so have suffered assault on two fronts; hostile infiltration by CoS and very serious resistance from various christian denominations jealously guarding their own doctrines and sources of income. To say nothing of opposition from the psychs, the socialists and other psychopaths and their minions



    Very great compatibility exists!

    The primary christian commandment is "Love God with all your heart and soul, love your neighbor as you love yourself."

    The idea may well be foreign to you personally but for me the insights and techniques of auditing have given me tools to provide effective and wholesome love for friends and casual acquaintances
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  10. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    see above.
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  12. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Okay, I think I get it. Thanks.
    What you describe cannot exist within the CofS. Simply because God (I think) and Christianity, or Jesus probably more accurately, is an implant according to Hubbard and one of the OT levels (can't remember which one) brings you to realise this. So the end point is to audit it out of you. It may sort of be okay for a while, but your decision has to be made as you ascend the bridge. That would be a conflict of interests.
    Love is also a foreign concept for scientology. They talk about affinity through the ARC triangle, but it isn't the same thing. Hubbard himself was incapable of love and this comes forward in his teachings as he tries to get you to become like him.
    As a Christian, your relationship with love, God and Jesus and faith comes first. With scientology loyalty and adherence to the church comes first. Everything else is last.
    All churches jealously guard their congregations. The idea is to keep them with you, not let them wander about everywhere. The COAS is probably lucky they don't actually have a church. That would open a whole new can of worms for their followers.

    As long as you don't need to go to the OT levels, your idea of compatibility could exist. But then, you're not doing scientology.
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  13. Type4_PTS

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    Does organized Christianity seek to suppress and/or destroy those who publicly speak out against Christianity?

    Do they split up families because ones siblings, children, or parents have counter-intention to your involvement in the Church?

    Do they coerce their staff to have abortions?

    Do they lie to newcomers about what their true beliefs are?

    Do they charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for you to get saved?

    Do they turn away new people interested in the church because they're poor and/or unwilling to work for 50 cents/hour?
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  14. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Wow! I really don't see how you could reach that conclusion. Seriously. Scientology doesn't recognize God. Scientologists don't "love God". Scientologists don't "love their neighbor" -- Scientologists tolerate their neighbors, maybe. There is no giving to charity, donating to the poor, etc.

    Scientologists are some of the least loving, least caring people on this planet. Suffering is "downstat" and sympathy is "low toned".

    The whole idea is that each "thetan" could become a god -- and that is NOT what Christianity says. Seriously.
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  15. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere once that folks who climb the ladder in the Mormon church successfully become a god.

    Not god, per se, but a god.

    I also believe their philosophy has some similarities in Scientology where we come from other galaxies, but not because of that tosspot Xenu.
  16. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    of course "organized christianity" is a generality.

    There are some outrageously rotten sects, Jee-yay-ziss! I saw one on the boobtube about seven years ago made my blood run cold.

    There certainly are many christian churches with no interest in having poor members.

    I don't know as any incidents have surfaced but I have no doubt many christian women have been coerced to abort

    and perhaps the worst disease of organized christianity is tepid lukewarm mediocrity

    But there are also quite a few damn good courageous productive people of faith here and about
  17. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    I reach that conclusion because I'm a christian who gained much ability to do good things for others by studying and practicing auditing w/o becoming a koolaid guzzling scibot

    But if you're looking for sympathy you can find it in the dictionary somewhere between shit and syphilis.

    Empathy rocks.

    A Christian who studies auditing must maintain their own philosophical integrity.

    Scientology does recognize God. God is prominent in The Creed of the Church and Hubbard was always consistent in affirming God

    Some scientologists I've known have been quite penurious but most have been fairly decent people though even the decent ones have scant interest in or feeling for the disenfranchised. Which isn't that bad a thing. The poor are best improved by the presence of a warm hand and a cold.
  18. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    You've not provided examples of either of these things. I'd be interested to hear of some.

    Even if what you say here is true though, if there are churches doing such things, is their scripture that backs them up? Or are they violating Christian beliefs by doing these things?
  19. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    What I describe did exist while I was active because I made it exist.

    There is much truth in what you say. To get christianity out of scientology you must first put it in yourself.

    of course, as you are neither a christian or scientopiary (If you don't know what a topiary is look it up, you should get a chuckle) you are thus limited in your capacity to grok what I put forth but thank you for your honest effort
  20. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Most scientologists start off full of good intentions. That's the reason many of them join - to help others along with themselves.

    As they progress though, that aspect is stripped away as you become more and more indoctrinated. It part of the process of ascending the bridge and you gradually become absorbed into the bedlam.

    So many leave as they become disillusioned and realised that the whole deal is nothing better than a pig wearing lipstick. Later they learn it is mostly, if not all, fake.

    I think you are not following scientology as such, just using parts of it that fits your purposes. I guess that's okay, since your intentions appear to be helpful not harmful.

    And with that in mind, it's no longer scientology. At the very least, not the corporate version.

    I have to disagree though. Scientology recognises God, but he is considered to be an implant. Therefore he is a programmed entity, not a real deal.

    I have my own beliefs about God. I have little interest in churches that devolve into cults and end up putting blinkers on our eyes and minds.

    But best of luck to you Clay, hope it all works out well for you.