May I ask,
What information has most commonly 'lifted the veil' and caused 'exes' to change their opinion about LRH?
Mystic wrote:
This got me wondering what specific facts, issues, or truths, have led 'exes' to see "the dark seething entity" and abandon LRH?
Is it different for everyone? Or is there a common theme among 'exes' who have rejected LRH's views and tech? Was it one 'keystone' fact about Hubbard or some accumulation of false information?
I'm curious to learn what 'lifted the veil'!
fisherman
Fisherman - for me it was a combination of factors that culminated. I had several failed purposes being in Scientology. First, it was not succeeding while being on staff. I got beaten down so much at times that I finally gave it up and said screw it. I observed many times that I was very willing and saw others also very willing to help but only to be yelled at, invalidated and punished. When this happens repeatedly one doesn't have the desire to continue on. I'm sure you can read story after story here at ESMB with the same running theme. Strike one!!!
Next was not getting enough actual changes from my auditing. I didn't go OT but I sure as hell expected life changing results. When the Co$ is charging thousands of dollars for auditing I don't give a damn what level it is on. It had better be life changing. Not to say I didn't get results but I felt I could have sat on a couch and had a psychologist listen to me and I might have gotten the same result. There is strike two!!!
After my last auditing which I was told would really handle my life and change things around so much that I would get up the bridge I realized that there is something very wrong with Scientology. I have seen so many different outpoints, situations or things that should be but are not that I finally started thinking maybe the tech doesn't work. At this point I began to research the internet and found many interesting sites not just talking about Scientology but Hubbard himself.
I had already knew that there were anti-Scientology sites years ago but I was of the belief that it was just a few upset people getting their story told by suppressives who want to destroy the Church. I'm thinking a handful of people not thousands. If I was really thinking correctly I would have asked myself who are the suppressives. To say there are SPs is too general in identifying. As I was researching I was seeing one site after another were anti-Scientology. Here was the test of faith. I knew that there were too many outpoints that I had observed and there was way too much information on the internet. From there I read about LRH and what I found troubled and upset me. My stable datums in life were being blown away. And it wasn't just one obscured web site but many were confirming the same data.
You read he was married three times. First wife wrote to the 2nd wife saying he was nuts and dangerous. He met his 2nd wife while teaming up with Jack Parsons who both practiced Black Magic. He get married to his 2nd wife while still legally married to his first wife. He cons Parsons out of thousands of dollars for a business venture in Florida. You read from his first son Nibs that Hubbard was involved in orgies. While married to his 2nd wife he had a sexual relations with his PR gal and even proposed to her while married to his 2nd wife. He has a daughter with his 2nd wife and takes her away because he is afraid that his wife Sara will try and commit him to an institution. He gives the daughter back after Sara writes a letter saying what a great guy her husband is. They then divorce and he never sees his daughter again. He marries for the 3rd time and somehow made this one last. His oldest son leaves him and ends up writing a book against his father. His other son Quentin dies from either suicide or murder. Okay so he wasn't the greatest husband or father (fathered 7 children). Then there is his war record which talks about his great heroism but then you find out he never saw any action and was recommended by his superior that he was unfit to run a ship. Then he went blind at the end of the war or oops there another lie and really what he did was convince the Navy he was disable mentally so he could collect disability pension. I could go on and on but his whole history is like this.
Hubbard to Scientologists who still think he is the greatest hit ever for all of mankind has him on the God pedestal but after you read that you then start looking at all the different outpoints you have observed, the way DM runs the church, OSA handling of its own public, the Ideal Orgs, the cost of the bridge etc you reached the conclusion this really ain't OZ and Dorothy you be still in Kansas. Strike three - you're out!!!!
The bottom line is Hubbard had out-integrity, overts and withholds. He lied, committed out-ethics acts and I'm beginning to believe that he quite possibly had no remorse in any of this. The clear example of this is his issuing of KSW. At that point Hubbard became a God because Gods are never wrong and to err is human. Hubbard after that could never say he was wrong or give credit to anybody else and to do otherwise would be a suppressive overt act against Hubbard and the Church. The expectation is total perfection. I don't know of anybody that is perfect and quite frankly I don't think it is possible. But that is okay because we as people have the power to admit wrong and even a greater power to forgive. This is something Hubbard or DM or other top execs in the SO do not practice. If Hubbard had practiced this and taught that to others then Scientology would be a happy decent place to be in even with all the imperfections observed. Does this answer your question?