I did all my OT levels in the FZ. One possible advantage of this was that I'd
read them all previously and didn't believe the OT3 story. I'd attested to natural clear twice
the last time in 1991. There was a strong effort to say I was not clear, but I
eventually persuaded C/S that I was.
I did OT1 "by accident" while sitting in a shopping mall.
My favorite bridge level, so did this and OT3 twice and per CBR advice did CC platens
before the second time. Very active for a few days. I'm inclined to think that I was
doing creative processing for this and OT 2&3. On OT 2 apparently separated from a theta clear or OT.
I touched upon NOTs in the later stage of OT 3. I have no interest in further BT handling.
Personal friends have done lots of NOTs and get excellent wins
Did an L and would be happy to do more L's.
I know 2 people who'd done OT 5 told not clear 5 times.
Terril, elsewhere in so may other threads " clear " - " OT " - " theta clear " - " BT " are discussed.
I'm just going to say that in over 60 years there has yet to be proven any of those things existing except in the minds of a few people.
As Roger mentioned, far more likely that people got worse or way worse doing that stuff.
Odd things I remember. A so-called friend on 7 had gotten 10 intensives of that sec checking ( forget what they called that crap ) on the 2D & went home & big as muscular as he was severely beat & then raped his size zero wife.
I met her at a restaurant where she was showing me lots of bruises on her body, complete with split lips & black eyes. He showed up & told her she could not talk to anybody about what happened between them or he take her out in the desert & make her vanish.
I told home he couldn't talk like that to her. He blew up . I stood up to him. He ended our friendship. She pressed charges & divorced him. Trust me, he is till around in the CoS.
Knew a gal who bought her bridge hustling on the streets of NYC which she never made any effort to hide - she bragged about it.
The were several young girls at CC on 8 th St that made no secret on being pole dancers to pay for courses - one became very well known.
Didn't know the guy personally but he bought his bridge with money from dealing drugs - the reg knew it, the ED knew, the whole org knew it.
Lord knows over the years how much child sexual abuse I've heard about / know about / had the perp as a PC, etc. Pretty much a known fact the CoS will shamelessly allow child sexual abuse to protect their own image.
Look the other way as AOLA has a staff member ARRESTED & taken out of the org in handcuffs for having STOLEN ORG MONEY.
But if a staff member stole money from another staff member or a public ? Don't you DARE have a scientologist in good standing arrested !
The org could take your money for a course they couldn't deliver & policy says if can't deliver in 6 months MUST refund that money.
But, ever hear anyone try to get back their advance pay on OT 9 & 10 ?
Perhaps one of the saddest moments was standing in a room at the Sandcastle with someone who had jumped through all the hoops to get on 7 & while his wife was " invited" he was given a " Never going to happen ".
He was ready to go home & leave the group. I told him that everybody had a point where they felt like throwing in the towel on going up the bridge & he could do that or he could man up & keep going.
Poor bastard kept trying to get on 6 while his wife finished 7 ( lots of years ) & did 8. I guess he is still trying & I regret encouraging him ( and everybody else I gave a pep talk ).
Oh, sure, I still know a handful of people - well maybe a couple LOL ! - who give me credit for this that or the other. Hell, I may have been their " auditor " but with their own mind they saw changes they needed to make in the way they lived their life & they did so. I didn't do that, they did !
I think those "auditors" we called "great" ( and there were a few who were outstanding ) had something that transcended the "processing" in that they really deep down did care, were interested, meant well, wanted to help & allowed a person to ( come out & ) be themselves ( not what ron said they were ! ).
So yeah, some people did get "helped". I think most people just got scammed big time but here & there turns out there really were a few rare people who not only cared but also had the skills to present that in session & allow a person to come into their own not just deeper into the fold.
Trying to do good in the nightmare of scientology processing - yet we survived both sides of it.
Looking back, I just am not now of the opinion that stuff called scientology is NOT fixable - too many other things are quicker, less expensive, & really can help people.