What if it wasn't dub in?

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  1. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Nice one, Giz!

    As Norma said in "Victor/Victoria" . . . "Me too!"

    But, wait till you start tangling with past created futures! :melodramatic: :biggrin:

  2. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

  3. phenomanon

    phenomanon Gold Meritorious Patron

    " O What a tangled web we weave..." :eyeroll:
  4. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Of course the whole universe may be made of computer code & all we are doing is following a program that has been run many many times on humans.

    So, looks like, we have been there and done that.

    Now, if I could just modify the code & make it a little easier on all of us !

    Maybe, just maybe, we could even get it to where the gals do not beat us so badly at most everything !

    Poor old Hubbie, he hisself didn't even scratch the surface of any truth about how things are.
  5. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Someone once said that when God created man She was only kidding.
  6. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Well, mankind is the most interesting thing on this planet . . . . still .

    But, if it wasn't for women there'd be no point in being here !
  7. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Ah, using ones own imagination. That is only unsettling to those, well, ( how do I say it nicely ? ) already unsettled.
  8. If God is a thetan, did a mental image picture lead to creation or was it the other way around? Maybe all of this is in some thetan's head and hasn't done any Scientology yet that would wake it up.
  9. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Some people to learn not to believe every thing they think.
  10. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Here is a wonderful presentation by Rupert Sheldrake . . .

    10 Dogmas Holding Back Science ~ Rupert Sheldrake Ph.D.

    <font size="3"><strong>[video=youtube;9UbFa2SylqU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UbFa2SylqU[/video]

    More info here:
    The Summary Report of the International Summit on Post-Materialist Science, Spirituality and Society can be downloaded here: International Summit on Post-Materialist Science: Summary Report (PDF). To see more points like the one quoted above, you can check out their “Manifesto for a Post-Materialist Science.
  11. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Rub a dub dub dubby

    More likely all of this we think we are experiencing right now id the dub in.

    What if we are really somewhere else & what we are experiencing right now is just our dream ?

    So. What happens we wake up ?

    Was this a good dream ?

    Or not ?

    Dare we explore guided imagery from within a dream ?
  12. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Re: Rub a dub dub dubby

    Another version is that the universe is a hologram.
  13. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Re: Rub a dub dub dubby

    I tend to believe that whatever this universe might be that old Dr. Hubbard never had a clue - much less a workable path to anywhere at all !
  14. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Re: Rub a dub dub dubby

    Well, we are finding that you are right on that Mimsey.

    Alan Walter actually developed the R/Ds for handling the anatomy of the hologram that is the consequence our our co-action . . . :yes:

  15. Maria Cuervo

    Maria Cuervo Silver Meritorious Patron

    The problem was not that LRH did not 'see' 'something' but that he got it totally backwards. It never occurred to him that the content was literally being FED to him, backwards and distorted.
    Being an egomaniac he was impressed with what he saw and took the interpretations of what he saw to be true, the interpretations FED to him.
  16. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    I had been wondering where I might post this piece.

    I was caused to write it as a result of discussion last week with another ex-scn who was highly, highly trained in the cult . . . the individual had made the comment in our discussion, parroting the Hubbard bullshit, of being aware of being "motivatorish" . . .

    This info below might be of use to some here.

  17. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Well, Mimsey, here we have lots of info on humans communicating, as in conversing, with animals.

    Also mentioned here are instances of folks communicating with plants. Rudolf Steiner famously wrote and lectured on the point that plants have a spiritual presence, and when Virginia and I were at the (his) Anthroposophical Society HQ in Dornach, Switzerland a year or two ago, we did delve into this and the matter of inter-species communication.

    Anyhow, in the vein of Sheldrake's "dogs who know when their owners are coming home" . . . Virginia and I are currently being aggravated by our CAT that knows when one of us is about to arrive at our apartment front door . . . she gets there just before we open it so she can dash out into the building's inner lobby!

    To be noted is that there are 36 apartments in the building, so there is no cue based on hearing us enter the lobby. And she cannot hear us when we walk across the lobby in our sneakers . . .

    Here's the article . . .

    Animal communicators prove it’s possible to hear an animal’s thoughts

    Animal communicators are people who can fully communicate with an animal just as they would with a normal human person. The communication is telepathic and 2-way; the animal communicators can both “speak” (by sending thought out towards the animal) and “hear” (by receiving thought in from the animal).

    Animal communicators have most likely existed for a long time, probably in every single culture in the world. It is only in our modern Western materialistic culture, which has been influenced by mainstream institutions of religion and science based on perceiving a reality of separateness, that such a possibility seems so outlandish. However, as the following examples show, animal communication, also known as interspecies communication, is a very real phenomenon. These animal communicators are able to access knowledge from and about these animals that they could not possibly have otherwise known.

    Animal Communicator Anna Breytenbach

    Anna Breytenbach is a professional animal communicator who has displayed a jaw-dropping ability to communicate with animals. As seen in this video embedded below, this video,,
    Anna was summoned in the case of the black leopard who had been moved to a South African wild cat park. He was given the name Diabolo (similar to the Spanish word for devil) and was clearly an unhappy cat. He mostly snarled at anyone who went near.

    The owners of the park (Jurg and Karen Olsen, the Jukani Predator Park in South Africa) were afraid of approaching him. They summoned an animal communicator (Anna) for help. After communicating with the leopard, she learnt that one of the reasons for him being upset was that he thought something was expected of him. The other reason was that he was worried about what had happened to 2 young cubs at the last place he was being kept.

    When Anna relayed this to the park owner Jurg (who had professed on camera that he did not believe in animal communicators), Jurg broke down and cried. He confirmed that they were indeed 2 young cubs at the previous place. He told Anna to reassure the black leopard that nothing would be expected of him here – and that the 2 young cubs were safe. This relieved the leopard to the point where he opened up and became friendly. His name was subsequently changed to something more fitting – Spirit.

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  18. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    OK, this might rattle some nerves:eek: . . . like you die but you're not dead and un-dead instead . . . Hmmm, I like the rhyme of that.

    When you die, you might know that you're dead: scientists discover signs of life after death

    It’s one of the biggest mysterious in human history: What happens when we die? Does ‘consciousness’ cease to exist, because it’s a product of the brain? Or does consciousness remain, because it does not require the brain or any other physical organ to exist? It’s hard to tell, because we don’t really have any specific tool for measuring consciousness, but things are changing. Non-material science is really starting to take giant leaps forward, and more studies are emerging every year suggesting that a persons’s consciousness continues to work after the body has died.​

    The newest one comes from a team from New York University’s Lagone School of Medicine. They investigated twin studies from Europe and the United States that looked at people who suffered cardiac arrest, flatlined, and then came back to life. We’re talking about people whose hearts have stopped; once this happens, blood no longer circulates to the brain, which means brain function is also completely dead.​
    As reported by Live Science, “The brain’s cerebral cortex — the so-called “thinking part” of the brain — also slows down instantly, and flatlines, meaning that no brainwaves are visible on an electric monitor, within 2 to 20 seconds. This initiates a chain reaction of cellular processes that eventually result in the death of brain cells, but that can take hours after the heart has stopped.”​

    The study, conducted in 2008, was the largest of its kind. It involved 2,060 patients from 15 different hospitals in the United Kingdom, United States, and Austria, and it emphasized the need for more studies of its kind to focus on cardiac arrest when asking these questions, because it is biologically synonymous with death.​

    The study found, as have several others, that many of these patients were still aware and able to see following their biological death, but from “outside” their body, so to speak.​

    The portion of the study that focused on UK cases, which was conducted over a four year period by researchers at the University of Southhampton, found that nearly 40% of people who survived described some type of ‘awareness’ during the time they were pronounced clinically dead, before their hearts were restarted.​

    For example, one patient, who was a 57 year old man at the time, despite being pronounced dead and completely unconscious, with no detectable biological activity going on, recalled watching the entire process of his resuscitation.​

    The study’s authors argue this “merits a genuine investigation without prejudice.”​

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    Nice piece here:

    Dr. Eben Alexander is a Harvard trained brain neurosurgeon who published a book titled “Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife.” He once believed that consciousness was a product of our biology, but that all changed when he fell into a coma for seven days that was caused by severe bacterial meningitis, during which time he experienced himself outside of his body.​

    He explained the problem of consciousness succinctly in a lecture he gave about his experience a few years ago:

    There are a lot of scientists around the world who realize that when you start getting into the mystery of consciousness, which in essence is the only thing anyone of us truly knows exists, and trying to see exactly what consciousness is, it’s kind of like asking a fish what it’s like in the water. We are so close to it that there’s no way to really separate it out. I assure you that the only thing you’ve ever really known is your own consciousness.​

  19. skep

    skep Patron with Honors

    Yeah, I read that with interest yesterday. I fail to see, however, how it is different from Near Death Experiences that have often been documented. Did I miss something? I read it a number of times, and if I recall, the study talks about those revived within a very short time period.. 2-3 minutes.
  20. Tilly

    Tilly Patron

    I'm new to all this, but, this is the most sensible thing I have seen on this thread.

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