What really lures people in and makes them sacrifice so much?

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  1. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist


    1. Did Bent send Bobby Mongiello to be E.D. of the Hawaii mission? Do you remember?

    2. Was Yvonne Santana the auditor that Bent hired to audit Riverside staffers?
  2. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

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  3. pineapple

    pineapple Patron with Honors

    programmer guy:

    1. No. It was Joanie, Bobby's wife, who was temporarily the ED of the Hawaii Mission. Bobby, as far as I can remember, never came to Hawaii. That was a very chaotic and unpleasant episode. Joanie's style was very "hey, you" with lots of yelling, very invalidative. IIRC (this is over 40 years ago), Joanie at one point had me take one of the other staffers into session to do something (a dn assist, maybe?), felt I had bungled it (maybe I did?) and verbally reamed me out for it. So much for The Ivory Tower. This was probably what resulted in me going to Riverside the first time, to see if I could be "rehabilitated" as a dn auditor. (However, I distinctly remember breezing through HSDC in Riverside and having no trouble with a "difficult" pc, so maybe the problem wasn't my auditing.)

    Joanie was succeeded as Hawaii ED by Earl Rehder and finally by Frank Walker. Frank was by far the best of the Riverside Hawaii EDs, but severely handicapped by his wife Renee, whom I and all the other Hawaii staff hated. She was eventually routed off staff over her protests. (I'm not exaggerating when I say we all hated her. We practically threw a party after she left.) I believe Renee got routed off after Frank's Comm Ev at Hawaii Org.

    Other Riverside visitors to Hawaii: Bent and Mary both came over, separately. Bent came to visit, I believe while Frank was ED, and took the entire staff out to dinner and a movie (Marathon Man). I think this was before I went to Riverside the second time. Mary came over with Diana Grenier (and Diana's husband David) to do Life Repair on some of our public. Mary allowed me to do a White Form (pc assessment form) on one of the pc's. When I came out of session, Mary said, "Did you really do that whole form already?" When I said yes, she said, "You should have asked the questions more slowly." (I was impressed by the brevity of Mary's admin on a CS 1. It said: "CS 1. All to F/N," with time/TA and a big F/N symbol. That was it. Definitely the most concise CS 1 ever.)

    Also Jeff and Darcy Kovac, who may have been there on vacation? I believe we met them at the airport, but they didn't hang around the mission and I didn't see them after they arrived. I heard somewhere (?) later that their visit to Hawaii was actually unauthorized and they had blown Riverside before coming there, though I don't remember where I heard this and don't know if it was true.

    2. I don't know about Yvonne. I remember her going by another last name. Santana was probably her married name. She didn't look at all Hispanic, was kind of tall and model-like, not very young (maybe 40?), definitely good-looking.
  4. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    Emmanuel......on this post, down below you will see a link to a thread....My-ups-and-downs. Click on that link and you can read my story of what attracted me like a moth to a flame. It's a very long story, and will take you a while to read it. I danced around that flame for over 30 years, like many others who took Scientology to heart and didn't know what was actually going on behind the scenes of what the public was allowed to see.
  5. pineapple

    pineapple Patron with Honors

    What got me into scn in the first place and what kept me in for nearly 7 years were different, I think.

    1. Curiousity. This was the big motive force in the beginning.

    2. A big win on the Comm Course. This made me feel that "scientology works." Since I was on staff I did TR's almost every day, so the win was continually reinforced.

    3. Loyalty to the group. This was a BIG, BIG thing. There were many times when I wanted to walk, but I felt I'd be letting the group down. The other staffers were my friends. Even when we weren't on post we hung out together. We lived together. If I left I'd be making it harder on them -- and I knew they'd resent it and ostracize me for it. I'd lose friends. Almost everyone I knew was a scngst.

    It finally got to the point where I couldn't take it anymore, though. We were in a "soft" period -- it seemed to me we cycled through "hard" periods, where the "fixed, dedicated glare" was in everyone's eye, and "soft" periods, that were maybe a little less fanatical -- so I figured now was the time to make a break.

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