Sorry, I was in a rush when I asked. I meant to say "
the scientologists" and "scientologists and their collaborators" when I asked for your definition, both concepts that you use constantly in your posts. Example:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ck-is-going-on&p=799504&viewfull=1#post799504
Serious question, and no it doesn't need a new thread or a lengthy explanation. Is this a specific group, or people who are currently in scientology, or people who have ever had anything to do with it? With such a general term being used, it is sometimes hard to follow who you are talking about, that's all.
Thanks for fixing your question, FTS. “Scientologists,” as a term is both specific and amorphous.
When I was a Scientologist, I used Hubbard's definitions. Here are a few:
SCIENTOLOGIST, 1. one who betters the conditions of himself and the conditions of others by using Scn technology. (Aud 73 UK) 2 . one who controls persons, environments and situations. A Scientologist operates within the boundaries of the Auditor’s Code and the Code of a Scientologist. (PAB 137) 3 . one who understands life. His technical skill is devoted to the resolution of the problems of life. (COHA, p. 12) 4. a specialist in spiritual and human affairs. (Abil Ma 1)
Hubbard, L. Ron. (1979). Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary Los Angeles: Church of Scientology of California.
SCIENTOLOGIST, someone who can better conditions. A Scientologist then, is essentially one who betters the conditions of himself and the conditions of others by using Scn technology. Of course, there are lots of "do-gooders" and people trying to better conditions, but the difference between them and a Scientologist is that the Scientologist is the one who knows how. He is equipped
with far superior know-how. He is in much better shape than the person on the street. (BPL 21 Oct 71 I) 2. an individual interested in Scn. Disseminates and assists Scientologists. (HCO PL 21 Oct 66 11, City Office System) 3. the being three feet behind society's head. A trained Scientologist is not a doctor. He is someone with special knowledge in the handling of life. (HCOB 10 Jun 60)
Hubbard, L. Ron. (1976). Modern Management Technology Defined. Los Angeles: Church of Scientology of California Publications Organization United States.
Scientologists are roughly hominids who comply with Scientology-related policies, orders or intentions and call themselves Scientologists.
The Scientologists’ collaborators are hominids who comply with Scientology-dictated policies, orders or intention and call themselves wogs, or homo sapiens, or human beings, or persons, or anything but Scientologists. I don’t think that the lettuce farmer who fulfills an order for 115 heads of lettuce a day at Gilman Hot Springs is therefore a collaborator with the Scientologists because he complies with their produce orders, any more than I would think that the farmer who delivered 15 heads of lettuce to Osama Bin Laden’s camp in Afghanistan was necessarily an al Qaeda collaborator. Collaboration is working together. It is neutral. Collaboration with the enemy is commonly treason.
Gerry and I also collaborate. We work very close, indeed we act in concert. We work to free everyone so they can discuss their experiences and knowledge.
The Scientologists and their collaborators comprise a criminal conspiracy to deprive citizens of their basic human rights, to prevent them from discussing their experiences and knowledge. Relevant collaborators with the Scientologists are wogs who collaborate and who know, or ought to know, better. The Scientologists’ attorneys are good examples. Everyone knows that the wogs among those attorneys collaborate with the Scientologists. The Scientologists’ wog attorneys are paid millions to collaborate with the Scientologists. Their collaboration is in large part in the suppression and destruction of both wogs’ and Scientologists’ psyches, lives and basic human rights. But there are citizens in classes beyond lawyers who collaborate with the Scientologists in their war on wogs: media, intel, PIs, PRs, politicians, dupes, psychopaths, etc. Why exactly any or all of these people collaborate with the Scientologists is in many instances unanswered.
In the example you provided where I used "Scientologists and their collaborators," I was talking in the context of their attacking and threatening:
Caroline said:
Truth vs. lies, victims vs. victimizers, Jews vs. Nazis, has not much to do with enjoyment. Carrying on without necessarily enjoying something is often an important and profitable activity. With that said, I think I’ve been blessed with the gift of enjoyment or joy that I know is close even when the Scientologists and their collaborators attack and threaten. In fact that’s probably a factor in why they hate and attack Gerry and me so much. We’re life-loving, joy-loving people, and not even slightly how they black PR us.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?31408-What-the-fuck-is-going-on&p=799504&viewfull=1#post799504
Scientologists attack and threaten people in my class in application of their SP doctrine, and justify their attacks and threats with this doctrine. As I was explaining to Pirate and Bum
earlier in the thread, the issue is the SP doctrine, and Scientologists are determined largely by the doctrine. How Scientologists may further identify among themselves or others is quite irrelevant in this context. No Scientologist of any faction or splinter has ever repudiated the SP doctrine that I know of.