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That explains where David Miscavage got his idea.

Does anyone know if Miscavage ever did the OEC or FEBC?

I wonder if Davey cringes every time he sees a report that shows a sparcely filled Ideal Org.

I always thought Miscavige shared the same egotistical complex that Hitler had with Nazi architecture.. investing in buildings that would "create a cultural and spiritual rebirth."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_architecture
 
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Awesome quote by Mr. Hawkins. Wow. Show that to any Scn and they will be stuck, either in reply and/or in their mind. Cant sleep on that great evidence.

And you're right about the staff. I want all but one, whom I can't stand, to go free, Of all of them, I think Graham is on the verge, and JJ (if he's still there). He's a bright guy, despite the dulling disciplines and fear he must feel. He's got a kid, wife...man, Graham...just go. Be happy and free.

Back when I was in and a true believer during the 1980's I loved that Dianetics was on the Bestseller Lists for so much of that period. And more than anyone else, Jefferson Hawkins is the architect behind that marketing campaign that made it happen.

For those Scientologists lurking here you should really read HIS story:
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Read Story Here: http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/
 
I wonder how their beer & cheese party was, if they even had it.

I just realized that Christmas was on a Thursday. Poor staff who weren't upstat. Did you still get to see your families? (Whatever young staff are left)

Or were you "dedicatedly" making Ron proud, who's been dead for close to 29 yrs.

What a fuckin joke.
 
Back when I was in and a true believer during the 1980's I loved that Dianetics was on the Bestseller Lists for so much of that period. And more than anyone else, Jefferson Hawkins is the architect behind that marketing campaign that made it happen.

For those Scientologists lurking here you should really read HIS story:

And...for all those DMSMH's sold and all those seminars and Book One sessions, the COS ends up with empty orgs.

Interesting.
 
Some time in the 90's, DM visited Boston briefly. It was a brief visit during day org hours. Being on Foundation, I did not see him. What I heard is that he got a tour of the building and every outpoint he saw he would designate as a "Kodak moment" and I believe one of his assistants would take a photo. Then he talked to the then ED, Mary Smith, in her office. She mentioned that they were considering selling the building, even way back then. He asked for a piece of paper. She gave it to him, he wrote the words, "Absolutely not", signed it, and gave it back to her. He said to refer to that paper any time they thought about selling the building. I wonder where that paper is now.

There was always talk back then about selling the building and getting another place, mostly due to the parking. After that visit, I never heard another mention of selling the building again. I left in 2001.
 
Some time in the 90's, DM visited Boston briefly. It was a brief visit during day org hours. Being on Foundation, I did not see him. What I heard is that he got a tour of the building and every outpoint he saw he would designate as a "Kodak moment" and I believe one of his assistants would take a photo. Then he talked to the then ED, Mary Smith, in her office. She mentioned that they were considering selling the building, even way back then. He asked for a piece of paper. She gave it to him, he wrote the words, "Absolutely not", signed it, and gave it back to her. He said to refer to that paper any time they thought about selling the building. I wonder where that paper is now.

There was always talk back then about selling the building and getting another place, mostly due to the parking. After that visit, I never heard another mention of selling the building again. I left in 2001.

YES! The Kodak moment here is the "Absolutely not" piece of paper. Back in the bad old days when missions and orgs could actually expand there was a policy wherein LRH informed the budding Scieno that a local office, org or mission or business must operate with a large degree of automony from the higher authority or it would fail. LRH referred to the Danger condition which stated emphatically that when an upper org ran lower org, both orgs would fail.

This is a small tribute to LRH that one of his policies actually was correct. Ever since the SO decided to run every org in the world (bypass is the term) the orgs have shrunk and shrunk and are currently dwindling to non-existence.

The Boston Org had a major parking problem and the building was a nightmare to heat and maintain and too large for the members. But Davey knew best and INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES he ORDERED Mary and her successors to continue idiotically pretending that the problems weren't there. Davey was showing his chief skillset...unflinching, unreasonable, brave, 100% certainty in giving an order even if it is stupid, really stupid, really, really stupid and getting away with it. This explains the need for that monstrosity of a building they bought in the South End. The hierarchy of Scientology forced the Boston COS into a ridiculous circumstance. It amazes me that the locals went along with it.

What about making a sane decision?

What about obtaining a space that makes sense?

LRH loved telling people to do things and hated listening to reasons why his ideas stunk. Recipe for disaster.

The story of the Boston Org is nothing short of a disaster. The Boston Org THRIVED in the early 70's. There were tons of cool and interesting people there. Staff was well paid but it was a cool place. Good looking young people running around. Talent shows! Moneyed people buying courses and auditing. Celebrities, scholars, and lots of happy people. It wasn't perfect by any means but thousands of people were exposed to a fun, lively place that wanted you to succeed. But that changed and the reasons are legion. Greed, stat pushes, expensive legal campaigns all played a part but I'm thinking it was the upper org guys who had to rip off the best staff, who had to rip off the best public, who had to insist on preposterous targets, and insist on heavy ethics for just about anyone who was working the hardest.

Had the Boston Org been given automony, it'd probably be thriving today. But the nature of Scientology is to extract every bit of money and life out of every person that comes in. It's impossible for most people to hang around when one is asked to give more and more and more and more. And the tech got more and more restrictive. All sorts of don't and musts and 100% standard or else. The COS was no longer a place to gain life skills but a crusade that really, really, really needed your help or the world was going to end. The fun folks left. The happy energetic beautiful people found ways to avoid coming in. Everyone was considered to be working for Scientology, instead of finding ways to be a better person. Ethics and OW writeups and confessionals were Scientology tech and that stuff just isn't fun. No way, no how. Especially when your session secrets are being used to punish you.

So much nuttiness.

Wow, am I glad to be out!
 
On another thread, Smurf posted this:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...seeks-for-breast-cancer-treatment#post1000097

It is from Bruce Hilliard, who is married to the Seattle Eastside Mission ED, Robyn Perry, seeking funding to help Robyn who has cancer.

Is this the same Bruce Hilliard from Boston Org?

If yes, I worked with him briefly in the early 80's when I was Course Admin for Boston Fdn and he was supervising the co-audit going on in the courseroom when Tony Shepard was there.

He was fun to work with and I got a strong positive impression that he was a genuinely good guy and really cared about people.

Than again, as Alex Gibney has pointed out in recent interviews, most people that get into scientology are good people.

Unfortunately, some of them can act crazy after they've swallowed too much Kool-Aide, but that's not who they really are IMO.
 
And...for all those DMSMH's sold and all those seminars and Book One sessions, the COS ends up with empty orgs.

Interesting.

gross mismanagement

textbook example of short-sightedness with a pbi (partly baked idea)

no provision for servicing the the new widespread interest...
 
gross mismanagement

textbook example of short-sightedness with a pbi (partly baked idea)

no provision for servicing the the new widespread interest...

If I recall correctly, there certainly was a provision for servicing the new widespread interest during the times that Dianetics was on the bestseller lists.

And unlike yourself, I was very much in during the 80's. :thumbsup:
 
I remember him well. Glad he woke up.

Any news or details of the present Boston scene?

I was at the old building yesterday. I sat where I used to sit outside. I got memories of Paul Coleman outside, smoking at the steps. He always found a way to laugh and make me laugh. He loved any conversation about movies. I remembered the hill10s of call in, sneaking out to smoke. Or better yet the Thursday nights, going outside to write my condition and BP for the week to present at staff meeting. Man, that was stressful.

The whole experience was nostalgic and disturbing.
 
If I recall correctly, there certainly was a provision for servicing the new widespread interest during the times that Dianetics was on the bestseller lists.

And unlike yourself, I was very much in during the 80's. :thumbsup:

was there?

the impression i got from "counterfeit dreams" was different
 
was there?

the impression i got from "counterfeit dreams" was different

I recall that during some of the 80's when Dianetic's was on the bestseller lists that there were pages in the book (I believe on cardstock) you can take out and either mail in or call an 800 if you were interested in pursuing the subject further. Plus there was more commercials on TV for Dianetics as well.

These people who reached out for more info were distributed to all the orgs who would contact them and attempt to get them onto Intro services, just as with any other public expressing interest. I know this as I was sitting on reception at Boston Org during some of this time, and took phone calls on this matter.

I believe there were even some extra Book I seminars organized for these individuals, some away from the orgs, like in hotels.

The percentage of people who came in to do a service and continue up the "bridge" was very low. But that was typical. Business as usual.

I don't get though why you say: "there was no provision for servicing the the new widespread interest..."
 
They were called MIC cards, More Information Cards. :yes:



I recall that during some of the 80's when Dianetic's was on the bestseller lists that there were pages in the book (I believe on cardstock) you can take out and either mail in or call an 800 if you were interested in pursuing the subject further. Plus there was more commercials on TV for Dianetics as well.
 
Back when I was in and a true believer during the 1980's I loved that Dianetics was on the Bestseller Lists for so much of that period. And more than anyone else, Jefferson Hawkins is the architect behind that marketing campaign that made it happen.

For those Scientologists lurking here you should really read HIS story:

Exactly!

It's impressive to consider what the COS accomplished with so few people.

The Dianetics thrust in the 80's actually produced some auditors and a lot of folks interested in Dianetics.

I recall the Boston org sending out 10-20K pieces of mail a week.

Yet there was something that kept people away. An organization with that much presence should have had TONS of people involved!

Why did people leave? It's easy to assume it was the money grubbing, the crazy demands, the pressure, the cultlike cheering or the Gestapo mentality which were all contributing factors.

In a basic sense, the deep down, true structure of the COS was to replace the tech of improving lives with the tech of ruthlessly coercing people to give more money or more time. THAT WILL KEEP PUBLIC AWAY. ("stay away in droves" to quote LRH)

The cognitive dissonance that most of us lived with could be described as truly wanting to help yet becoming part of a group where demanding EVERYTHING was a cultural norm.

There were tons of people that loved the basic practices of TR's and study tech and admin basics. It bugs me that MY insights into the usefulness of Scientology were twisted into a con game/power play but Hubbard.
 
Bruce Hilliard, wife's name was Amy. They divorced. Bruce had a printing business. Occasionally printed stuff for the org. He was a nice guy, a good auditor, very smart but so was Fred Perkins and he did, and still may, work for DSA. Not as staff but as public, similar to Magoo when she did.

Neither one of them thinks they are doing anything wrong because they think they are protecting the tech and mans best friend. If they really knew, I think they both would do similar work AGAINST the fantasy they believe in.

I would really like to know what would wake them up but I think it is different for each and every one of us.
 
Bruce Hilliard, wife's name was Amy. They divorced. Bruce had a printing business. Occasionally printed stuff for the org. He was a nice guy, a good auditor, very smart but so was Fred Perkins and he did, and still may, work for DSA. Not as staff but as public, similar to Magoo when she did.

Neither one of them thinks they are doing anything wrong because they think they are protecting the tech and mans best friend. If they really knew, I think they both would do similar work AGAINST the fantasy they believe in.

I would really like to know what would wake them up but I think it is different for each and every one of us.


The red pill. :coolwink:

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Bruce and Amy were good folks.

Reminds me that many great people aren't out and in spite of the dramatic downturns and horrific PR, the COS survives.
 
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