I wish you well and you respond by insulting me? Tut tut.
This is a clear violation of HCO Policy Letter OF 5 APRIL 1972 PTS Type A Handling:
"There are so many ways to misuse tech and to invalidate and evaluate for others..."
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This is a clear violation of HCO Policy Letter OF 5 APRIL 1972 PTS Type A Handling:
"There are so many ways to misuse tech and to invalidate and evaluate for others in a destructive fashion to bring about bypassed charge, ARC breaks and upset that they cannot all be possibly listed. The idea is NOT to do so. Why create trouble for yourself and for your fellow Scientologists, as nothing will have been gained but ill will?" - Ron Hubbard
If you did it on purpose, then it's Reverse Processing.
So, you get a big, fat FLUNK!, dickhead.
Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
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Calling you a "dickhead" is only an Ad Hominem if I use it as an argument against your position in a debate, dickhead.
Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
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I get the distinction but for my money (pun intended) he was a Scio. He died raving about bts.Absolutely not! Hubbard turned people into Scientologists. That's a big difference! Being inside Scientology it was very important to have recognised this tiny detail. This little difference made all the difference whether or not you could be brainwashed into believing you were something else than yourself and becoming a Scientologist instead. One hasn't been a Scientologist before. Never heard of it before, right? But now you were supposed to be a Scientologist? All of a sudden! What the fuck! You see the trick? Very clever, isn't it! One would be turning people into something else. Giving them a new (superior) identity, it's marketing, nothing else. Actually rather stupid but people fall for it all the time still now. Think of "fanboys", football etc. Folks crave for identity and will fall for it instead of being just themselves! So obviously Scientolgy was Hubbard's creation and that doesn't mean he would BECOME his creation himself. Was Jesus a Christian, Buddha a Buddhist and Mohamad a Muslim? I don't know. But what I do know is that Commodore never was a Scientologist!
LOL, hon! I love your sense of humor. Always have. Yes, he was so case free and sooper dooper that he threw tantrums, didn't take care of his body, raved about bts in his shitty little trailer the last year of his life and died with a butt full of Vistaril. Yeah, sign me up.He rose above it :confused2: Had no case .....
Yah. I also found a reference where he said he didn't have to do this stuff.It's in the PDC's, an early lecture don't remember which one. He said a lot of things I think most Scientologists glossed over or didn't realize what he was saying. Another one in the PDC's was along the lines of: that he didn't live like most people thought he did. Just because he was describing ethics or whatever and his followers assumed he was a paragon of ethics, etc. Obviously decades later now that the data is out, he was not. It's been along time since I've listened to the PDC's but it's in there. A lot of stuff is in there that people ignore.
Inasmuch as he would change the tech to suit his needs, and he would say things and not follow them *, I would say no, he wasn't. He did have some belief in the technology though, since he was solo auditing. Was that the same technology he exported to me and thee?
More than once, he proclaims on tapes, he reserves the right to wrap himself around a telephone pole, all in the name of research.
I think, if you looked at him as a squirrel, you would be closer to the truth. He prided himself on developing the tech, and so he would self audit. If I tried to self audit instead of solo audit, I would have been sent straight to the MAA.
BTW self auditing is where the pc invents processes to run on him self. Solo auditing is where you audit your self using standard procedures found in your course materials.
The Pilot is a good example of a self auditor. Ron Hubbard is another.
* by way of example, his technology on the 2nd dynamic, essentially promotes monogamy, yet he was both an adulterer and a bigamist.
Mimsey
Hubbard had a master plan. He knew what he was doing. It was about domination, power and money.
Sadly, there are Scientologists who appear incapable to connecting the dots and "getting it."
Originally Posted By William Blowdown
Contrary to the generality and false data you have posted, I have connected all the dots. And all I got was lines.
It's simple science/math which can easily be proven. I have provided some dots below. Simply print out this post and then take a pen or pencil and connect them. What do you get?
Lines, right?
Ron already has researched and written much about lines (e.g. keeping entheta off one's lines, flowing CSWs, power & money uplines, et al). So, no need to get all significant and think-think about it!
Ergo, it's not the Scientologists who don't get it, it's you off-Source Squirrels and SPs who don't get it.
As a Scientologist, I fervently believe and follow Ron's scripture to never invalidate or evaluate another. What's true for you is true. However, having said that, I would be remiss to not simply obnose and indicate at this point that you are dramatizing your bank and crimes--and having a psychotic episode.
ML,
William "Billy" Blowdown
Class VIII
HTSSPS (Hubbard How To Shatter SPs Specialist)
I get the distinction but for my money (pun intended) he was a Scio. He died raving about bts.
What definition of "Scientologist" are you guys using? It's not as simple "Is that a chicken (the poultry kind) or isn't it?" Seems like a silly discussion without any agreement on the term.
For background here there have been longer and shorter posts on that topic in the past. By myself and others. I did the longer ones. Heh. If I remember it right, the main topic was how many Scientologists are there in the world, and people went at it hammer and tongs for a good while.
I found it extremely hard to come up with a good definition for "Scientologist," that seems to capture what one is. Lifting a definition out of the Tech Dictionary doesn't work too well, however "on source" that might be. I came up with something that I thought was pretty good . . . but I honestly forget what it is. Possibly it's as simple as someone who's done some auditing and training in Scientology and is familiar with it to some extent, generally thinks well of Hubbard and the subject, makes use of it in his life to some appreciable extent, and genuinely considers himself a Scientologist, whatever anyone else thinks.
Anyway, I'll just leave it at that for now as I don't want to spend an hour on it again.
Oh, by my definition above, would Hubbard count?
Auditing and training? Check.
Familiar? Check.
Thinks well of [self]? _____
Thinks well of the subject? _____
Makes appreciable use of Scn? _____
Considers self a Scio? Unlikely.
Paul
Actually without drawing anything I already see things.
Are those body thetans or something?
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I had (facial) shingles around 1994, and went to the Shaw Health Center on Fountain Ave, just down the road from the Complex. Denk practiced at Shaw's. I saw Megan Shields, who diagnosed it more or less the second I walked in the door as the spot pattern is very distinctive, in this case following one branch of the trigeminal nerve. I assume Denk was as familiar with it, although I wouldn't expect his other attendants to be.
Paul
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What definition of "Scientologist" are you guys using? It's not as simple "Is that a chicken (the poultry kind) or isn't it?" Seems like a silly discussion without any agreement on the term.
I found it extremely hard to come up with a good definition for "Scientologist," that seems to capture what one is. Lifting a definition out of the Tech Dictionary doesn't work too well, however "on source" that might be. I came up with something that I thought was pretty good . . . but I honestly forget what it is. Possibly it's as simple as someone who's done some auditing and training in Scientology and is familiar with it to some extent, generally thinks well of Hubbard and the subject, makes use of it in his life to some appreciable extent, and genuinely considers himself a Scientologist, whatever anyone else thinks.
One would expect Denk to be familiar with Shingles, but Denk might not have seen them. I heard that Denk was being handled by DM, and they spent a lotta time in Las Vegas. Denk could've been handled just like any SO Staff, did what he was told to do, and shut the fuck up. He disappeared, yeah? Maybe Denk is in a "hole".
I dunno. I had Shingles on my L side. I still have scars, and I have the lingering Nerve damage and pain, whatever it's called. Mine was diagnosed when I went to my Doctor, but by the time i went in , the Shingles were well underway. A terrible, miserable experience, and I urge any one of you who has not had a Shingles vaccination, to get one ASAP.
One would expect Denk to be familiar with Shingles, but Denk might not have seen them. I heard that Denk was being handled by DM, and they spent a lotta time in Las Vegas. Denk could've been handled just like any SO Staff, did what he was told to do, and shut the fuck up. He disappeared, yeah? Maybe Denk is in a "hole".
I dunno. I had Shingles on my L side. I still have scars, and I have the lingering Nerve damage and pain, whatever it's called. Mine was diagnosed when I went to my Doctor, but by the time i went in , the Shingles were well underway. A terrible, miserable experience, and I urge any one of you who has not had a Shingles vaccination, to get one ASAP.