Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking

[Churchill]

A Faustian deal with the devil, perhaps, to provide for his family and secure a soft landing for the remainder of his years.

Kind of a greatest-good proposition he calculated, I would guess.

And not a bad bet that he has added some romantic and noble spin to it, to himself--how he "sacrificed" his personal integrity and friends and reputation in order to provide for family. That might take some of the edge off it, and the money probably doesn't hurt either.

The slow motion train wreck that we're witnessing saddens me. Marty Rathbun has succeeded, beyond his wildest expectations, in spectacularly discrediting himself.


The damage he's caused is incalculable, but NOT to the community of ex-Scientologists who revile and mock him... but rather to himself, and those in his immediate orbit.

A soft landing, but into what? Into where?
Purgatory, if the Gods are merciful.

 

[George Layton]

Right there at the end of part 8 when Marty says something on the lines of, "He uses rumor and innuendo and turns it into fact to base his...", now is he..., when he's saying..., is he talking about himself?

Oh wait the phone... ... ... Ok that was Marty on the line and said not to bother asking any questions over here because there is not one person on ESMB with ANY credibility.

 

[ThetanExterior]

He's up to page 165.

The book has over 500 pages.

 

[ExposedPerfidy]

In part 3 of his video series Marty complains that Haggis never really managed to gain a grasp of Scientology. Even if this is the case I don't see how can Marty hold this against Haggis when he (Marty) previously had this to say about Scientology:

[T]here is no such thing as standard scientology technology. Like the substance of scientology itself, what constitutes the standard is wholly a subjective matter. [...] The continuous backfilling that constitutes the bulk of scientology writing and lecturing is apparent in scientology training packs. [...] The materials are a patchwork of Hubbard writings and lectures cherry-picked from different periods of time. They make for a mix chock-full of contradictions.

In a follow-up post he speaks of "Hubbard’s incomprehensible – conflicting evolutions and devolutions must all be accepted as Gospel – body of work" and describes Scientology's policies as "forbidding any sort of rational compilation". In that same post he has this to say about the top technical hierarchy of the CoS:

The original Golden Age of Tech was done in response to virtually all of the established technical hierarchy of scientology (Class XIIs, mainly trained under Ron’s regime) being about as capable of applying scientology fundamentals as the leading electro-convulsive shock therapy psychiatrists were. [...] Virtually every Class XII in the church at the time – those at Flag, those on the ship and those at the International base, including Senior C/S International Ray Mithof [emphasis added] – were empowered to squirrel to their hearts’ content by none other than L. Ron Hubbard. They, much like some of the die-hard scientologists who continue to frequent this blog or have disconnected from (while claiming Miscavige is a squirrel for allegedly reinstating the disconnect policy) and declared war against me, could and did regularly come up with an LRH reference to justify just about every technical crime imaginable. And they routinely committed them.

So Ray Mithoff, the person to whom Rathbun has referred to as "the church’s highest scriptural authority", couldn't get Scientology right. What chance did Haggis had?

 

[Type4_PTS]

Too late.

https://youtu.be/WWSKQVuIkho

Tony Ortega's response to the video:

New day, new video. Same question: Why, Marty, did you give the Church of Scientology a private email from Dani Lemberger to use against him in litigation? Your defense of the RPF as simply “rehabilitation,” and trashing Jesse Prince is really winning you hearts and minds all over the place, but how about answering this simple question — how did you justify handing over a potentially damaging email to the Church of Scientology in its litigation against a former member?

http://tonyortega.org/2017/06/13/ph...-how-the-founder-wanted-scientology-marketed/

 

[Boson Wog Stark]

Pt. 8 -- Epic eyelid fluttering around the 20 second mark. Shows he's very uncomfortable. Would make a good animated GIF.

Pt. 7 -- Marty is acting like he furnished no damaging testimony concerning the behavior of David Miscavige to the FBI, stories about Miscavige when he took over as leader of Scientology which were much worse than anything he did as an adolescent. Yet from this series, people are supposed to think the only things Marty told the FBI were about defending the sanctity of Scientology and all the crap Hubbard thought up, like the RPF.

So as much as some of the things Marty is saying which may irk me or other viewers, it is what he's omitting which is especially bizarre.

After the first few videos I was wondering when Marty was going to start mentioning specific things from GOING CLEAR, and he's doing that now. I assume it's being doled out in these tiny segments to build suspense and get people buzzing.

 

[rickybobby]

Marty is being played like a fiddle, but is ego is so big that he really believes that HE is the one doing the playing.

Marty and DM are like two dysfunctional lovers who just can't quit each other no matter how vitriolic it gets or how many times they break up.

 

[grey crane]

I couldn't find the artist's name to give s/he credit, but I did change it a bit.

 

[JustSheila]

Has anyone simply reached out to Steve Cannane to ask him who he was working with. Marty mentions a few videos back that the guy he is speaking to and Steve something something. It would seem like that would be a good place to start. I don't know Steve C myself. I have not even read the book.

Might be a good string to pull

To the best of my knowledge (and I haven't read Steve's book), Marty and Steve Cannane never met, but Steve Cannane said he spoke to him twice for the book:

Steve: I spoke to Marty Rathbun twice for the book. Once very early on in my research, and the second time in June 2015. Marty wasn’t too keen to talk the second time. I got the feeling he was done talking about Scientology. But I badgered him and lucky for me he agreed to talk. I remember interviewing him at 3 am Sydney time and the information he gave me about Kidman and Cruise, and James Packer, was fascinating, details he had not revealed previously. It wasn’t information he had been hiding, I believe it was more of a case that he hadn’t been asked certain questions. For example in Going Clear he revealed details about the wiretapping operation on Nicole Kidman, but I wanted to know who was Nicole talking to that was upsetting Tom. Marty said straight out – Russell Crowe – and that they had done a big background investigation on him. Marty said there was nothing untoward about what Russell was doing – that he was being a good friend to Nicole in a time of need.

http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/19/ta...h-its-author-aussie-journalist-steve-cannane/

Steve Cannane is an Australian reporter, national Aus television as well as major newspapers. When Steve first began actively exposing the crimes of Scientology on television in Australia, Marty was a practicing Indie and didn't like it a bit and tried to get in the middle of it and tried to contact Steve Cannane directly to get himself interviewed and make himself the key and only media contact for exScientologists, but Steve wouldn't have a bar of it at the time and just carried on, interviewing Australian exes directly and exposing current and past Scientology crimes in Australia, about once a month on major media, for years.

Many of us at ESMB remember how Marty acted back then and how he resented that the Australian media was taking such no-nonsense approach on the abuses of Scientology and didn't see him as important (I was in Australia at the time.)

Then Marty deleted some of his blog posts where he was nasty to the Aus exes and Aus media and seemed to lighten up a bit. He did the same thing with Jesse Prince. Back and forth, back and forth. Marty's mind and posts have been a real yo-yo ride like no other ex I've ever seen.

But back to Steve Cannane - He's a real journalist, the old-school kind with genuine integrity who stays with the facts. I've met him and interviewed with him, as have many others on ESMB. Let's just say that Marty's brand of double-talk was never Steve Cannane's cup of tea.

 

[Lulu Belle]

Then Marty deleted some of his blog posts where he was nasty to the Aus exes and Aus media and seemed to lighten up a bit. He did the same thing with Jesse Prince. Back and forth, back and forth. Marty's mind and posts have been a real yo-yo ride like no other ex I've ever seen.

May be a good idea for someone to screen cap some of the items Marty has now done a 180 on from his blog.

Chances are they're going to start disappearing.

 

[JustSheila]

May be a good idea for someone to screen cap some of the items Marty has now done a 180 on from his blog.

Chances are they're going to start disappearing.

For fairness sake, I should say that Marty wrote at the time that someone had got into his blog as his reason for deleting those things. It was just so odd that whoever supposedly got into his blog only deleted the things that showed Marty changing his position, deleted the things that made him look bad. I didn't believe a word of it at the time. Who busts into a blog to make the blog owner look better and only deletes the posts that show he's a liar?

That happened two or three times in about a one year period.

 

[exsomessenger]

Marty motivation is still hidden. The video " series" does nothing for his spiritual path. Something that used to seem very important to him. It speaks to others motivations. Given Marty's documented history. Which is mostly available to view and or read. He has always struggled with his own accepted philosophy and religious beliefs. I can relate to that as it is a vast subject with many parts. Great minds in our shared history have taken this on with varied success. I have spent a great deal of my life trying to seek an acceptable truth that resonates within. A task of a lifetime in truth.

If this is initiated by David miscavige it is a sad attempt of a poor little boy from philly to distract and draw attention away from himself and his unresolved issues. Funny how all that knowledge right there in front of him provides no avenue for relief.

A study published in the Journal of Family Violence found that children who both witnessed and experienced domestic abuse were far more likely to suffer from internalized anger and behavior problems than their peers. This can lead to a "cycle of abuse," in which children grow up to abuse others in the same way they were abused.

Tbc.

 

[RogerB]

The first I got wind of this shit from Rathburn was an email from Steve Cannane this morning . . .

My reply to him answers his question regarding "Cameron" as mentioned in vid #6, in part, is copied below. But on reflection, the "you" Rathburn is "addressing" is either someone ostensibly linked to the Mel Inquiry or otherwise he is lying by a) inferring he is talking to an a actually present person when the whole thing is a staged falsehood and, b) his use of false accusations and misrepresentations along with misdirectors in standard "lie tech" attempts to discredit Gibney.

To be real about all this, there are VERY, very few individuals still alive that had any real action in Oz and were related to the Mel Inquiry in any way. Thus, the big, BIG question of Rathburn is: who are you talking to????


Rathburn mentions Cameron in the same breath as Dax. Also, I don't think he is saying "you and Cameron" but Ewan (a guy's name) Cameron? Note Rathburn is referring to the Melbourne Inquiry materials . . .



Remember Cunningham Dax was the guy representing the Psychs in Melbourne attacking the CofS and who appeared as a key witness against the cult.


I can't see who Rathburn is talking to, to thus refer to as "you" in the phrase "you and Cameron" in the context of the Mel. Inquiry . . . . Thus, it might well be the ASIO involvement in the Inquiry as noted in the first google link.


But I have no recollection of a "Cameron" in Oz . . .





A google search of "cameron, board of inquiry into scientology" led me to the below links:



[h=3]Spies and Scientologists: ASIO and a controversial minority religion in ...[/h]www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2016.1175213?src=recsys
May 4, 2016 - Second it discusses how ASIO and Scientology first came into ..... Board of Inquiry into Scientology under Kevin Victor Anderson QC (the ...... the home of a far-right activist Robert Cameron in the southern Sydney of Yagoona.

This post to the internet is dated 4, May, 2016 . . .
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Articles[/h]
[h=1]Spies and Scientologists: ASIO and a controversial minority religion in Cold War Australia, 1956–83[/h]Bernard Doherty





[FONT=&quot]Pages 993-1010 | Published online: 04 May 2016










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A "search" of the above document on line yielded THREE individuals named Cameron, one with the initial "H" which could be "Hugh" . . .

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Articles[/h]
[h=1]Spies and Scientologists: ASIO and a controversial minority religion in Cold War Australia, 1956–83[/h]Bernard Doherty




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Another is

This link:
https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/ruthless-adventure-how-scientology-played-the-british-broadcasting-corporation/



Another of the interviewees was Marjorie Cameron, the woman who participated in the strange “Babylon Working” rituals performed by pioneer rocket scientist and occultist Jack Parsons and L Ron Hubbard.
The author of “Wormwood Star, The Magickal Life of Marjorie Cameron” reveals the origin of Prouty’s cover story – which the journalists in 1987 should have been aware of.

Back in 1969, the British Sunday Times ran an expose on Hubbard’s participation with Jack in The Babylon Working and cited Aleister Crowley as a catalytic influence on Hubbard’s teachings. To counter this claim, Hubbard issued a cover story in which he painted himself as a cloak-and dagger intelligence agent, sent in to the Fleming mansion on South Orange Grove, to rescue his future wife Betty from the evil clutches of Jack Parsons’ black magic ring. This dubious scenario played hard and fast with the facts, yet in the subsequent radio broadcast Cameron, surprisingly, gave credence to this line, musing how Hubbard, “may have been an agent – as he claims.”
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Yes, the “radio programme” mentioned is “Ruthless Adventure”, and Cameron is interviewed in it.
[h=3]Conclusion[/h]Although it did not present the Church in a positive light, “Ruthless Adventure” represents a publicity coup for the Church of Scientology. It is telling that they only managed to make it less bad than it might have been. They would never be able to achieve this degree of control of the media again.
Soon, Armstrong’s leaked documents, and the books based upon them, would demolish Hubbard’s claims about his accomplishments. Later, the Internet would make it easy to access information about the Church – if the journalists who made “Ruthless Adventure” had been online, they would never have overlooked the Sunday Times article.
If you have ever wondered how the Church of Scientology has got away with its deceptive practices for so long, this programme provides part of the answer. When Ruthless Adventure was made, there were very few reliable sources of information, which were very difficult to access. This made it easy for the Church of Scientology to operate in secrecy, cover its tracks and muddy the waters.
Gerry Armstrong’s revelations were a crippling blow to the organisation, and the freedom of information enabled by the Internet is finishing them off. If a programme like “Ruthless Adventure” was commissioned today, the BBC would not make the same mistakes


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[RogerB]

Also to be noted is that, the first very wise person to say out loud that Rathburn's original action of suing the cult via his wife was an undercover op, was . . . wait for it . . . our beloved Phenomanon.

This way back when we were all enamored with the idea of the suit that eventually got killed by him/his wife!

 

[JustSheila]

The first I got wind of this shit from Rathburn was an email from Steve Cannane this morning . . .

My reply to him answers his question regarding "Cameron" as mentioned in vid #6, in part, is copied below. But on reflection, the "you" Rathburn is "addressing" is either someone ostensibly linked to the Mel Inquiry or otherwise he is lying by a) inferring he is talking to an a actually present person when the whole thing is a staged falsehood and, b) his use of false accusations and misrepresentations along with misdirectors in standard "lie tech" attempts to discredit Gibney.

To be real about all this, there are VERY, very few individuals still alive that had any real action in Oz and were related to the Mel Inquiry in any way. Thus, the big, BIG question of Rathburn is: who are you talking to????


Rathburn mentions Cameron in the same breath as Dax. Also, I don't think he is saying "you and Cameron" but Ewan (a guy's name) Cameron? Note Rathburn is referring to the Melbourne Inquiry materials . . .



Remember Cunningham Dax was the guy representing the Psychs in Melbourne attacking the CofS and who appeared as a key witness against the cult.


I can't see who Rathburn is talking to, to thus refer to as "you" in the phrase "you and Cameron" in the context of the Mel. Inquiry . . . . Thus, it might well be the ASIO involvement in the Inquiry as noted in the first google link.


But I have no recollection of a "Cameron" in Oz . . .

Maybe "you" is Hugh, Hugh Urban? or Hugh Jackman? He's an Aussie. I'd assume Rathbun staged that, or he was talking to his BTs, but I refuse to subject myself to the mental agony of watching one of Marty's ridiculous videos. If you want to give the exact statements here though, I'm on it.

Someone named Doug Cameron gave testimony in the Anderson Report. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_Australia

Rathbun didn't join staff until late 1978 and he was a greenie public before that. I was there, so were others that are now out, so there's no way Marty's weasling around that, plus he said it himself in his book. The Anderson Report (Melbourne Inquiry) was in 1972 so Rathbun wouldn't know anything firsthand about any of that and like you said, there's hardly anybody alive today who was there at the time, either.

Unless Marty's got his head in such a tangle of confusion that when he says Melbourne Inquiry he means the Senate Inquiry in OZ. It must be next to impossible for him to keep all his lies straight... When the Aus Senate Inquiry was going on, Marty was a practicing, believing Indie Scientologist and against it. He was worried that Scientology would lose its status in Australia and that people thought of the Church of Scientology and Scientology as a subject/religion as the same thing and he didn't like that the Aussies didn't differentiate between the two. He was a believer then still and wanted a softer approach.

 

[Lurker5]

Marty started out slicing the balls off of mis-cabbage, and he has finished his 'run' slicing off his own.

Hey Marty, how did that happen? You've made yourself a eunuch. I can hear davey laughing all the way over here. We laugh, but it is gallows humor, I think, so sad we have to laugh, as the heartbreak is too much to bear - that you sold your soul, Marty - and you are getting your 30 pieces of silver, dribbled out to you - for this drivel you've been putting out, for the people you betrayed - people who believed in and trusted you. For shame. We aren't rue'ing the day you sliced your nuts off, but I think you will be - soon enough- soon enough. Another bad judgement call for you. Only this one will shadow you all the rest of your days.

I don't get it. You were doing good, and you threw it all away, in a 'terrible twos' tantrum. You murdered your own self/soul. For what? Clink clink clink.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

. . .
IMO, fake names. Feels scripted and inauthentic.

Marty is "throwing chum in the waters" to attract fish. :wink2:


It's all a pretend production of some sorts.

 

[JustSheila]

Just thought I'd throw this in here. Jesse Prince wrote this in 2011 in response to something not nice Marty wrote about him on his blog:

My question to you Marty is this, why are you so shy about your specific credentials as another Senior #2 person in all of Scientology? Your actual credentials that earned you a place at the table with your peers wasn’t anything involving the “Technology” as given in the red volumes written by L Ron Hubbard, that spot was already taken by a few. The certified credentials you earned that placed you at the table of your peers involved defending the faith at any cost. For that reason you have been involved in what can only be commonly described as “Black Operations” that ruined lives and left people on the edge on insanity as explained in Hana’s declaration. The numbers of times you’ve been demanded to exercise your specific credentials supersede anyone currently involved in the movement who is still breathing.

You literally glided into your high position among your peers by riding the coat tails of your sponsor and mentor David Miscavige. You were able to secure your position by always being the one who would execute Miscavige’s most secret federal crimes. You knew it was a given that he would take all of the credit for any positive results. Because of the methods you were required to employ to succeed at any given task; hardly anyone even knew what you were doing. The great works you were able to accomplish are only known by a secret few, on a need to know basis.

When it came to responding to Miscavige’s demand you primarily used two words, yes and okay. Miscavige used you to do things he was too afraid to do himself. You were always so willing to please him. You were not a selfish person. All you ever really wanted was for Miscavige to just smile at you or tell you “good job.”

https://whyweprotest.net/threads/jesse-prince-youre-off-marty-rathbuns-xmas-card-list.78448/

and then there's:

I began to recall being on the other side of the fence when Gerry Armstrong had to defend himself against Scientology style black ops for years. Scientology sued Jerry for absconding with 22 banker boxes of personal documents and artifacts of L Ron Hubbard. I’m not trying to retell the story of Jerry Armstrong here but ultimately, Scientology paid Jerry a settlement of $800.000 in exchange for his promise not to copy or discloses the content of the banker boxes he’d taken. What the hell was in those boxes? It’s a fascinating, well documented cock up of what happened when author Omar Garrison and his research assistant Gerry Armstrong verified L Ron’s actual education and military record history among other subjects. In a nutshell, too much of the information they were able to factually verify of L Ron’s past was contemptuously contrary to the yarn L Ron spun for his devout adherents and any other ear that could hear. Gerry Armstrong went on to violate his agreement with Scientology hundreds of times and is still perused by Scientology’s attach dog legal machine. I know something about this because I was present and informed about Jerry’s legal troubles with Scientology as they was happening. I recall being present when the conditions of the settlement agreement between Gerry Armstrong and Scientology (Which in effect included whatever was best for Author Services Inc, ASI) was negotiated.


From 1983 until the settlement in 1986, I would receive on a daily basis, usually sometime between 6-8 pm, intelligence reports generated by staff of Special Project Operations (ASI), OSA and RTC concerning secret and illegal operations by Scientology

http://princejesse53.blogspot.com/

And that's a wrap, folks!

So much for Marty's supposed knowledge of L Ron's background and any other claims to fame. Got that nailed.

You don't mess around with Jesse.

 

[JustSheila]

Oh I'm on a roll here! Marty went after Lawrence Wright? After Jesse Prince? Oooo kaaaaay....

Anonymous said: Marty was assigned to be Tom Cruise's auditor, because he is an expert in the tech.

March 29, 2011 BLiP writes:

An expert in "recovery" tech - getting doubters back into the mind-fuck by running reverse procedures to implant new and/or additional "engrams" that, of course, only Scientology can help with. That's Marty's speciality. Well, that plus collecting PC folders for special ops.
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https://whyweprotest.net/threads/jesse-prince-youre-off-marty-rathbuns-xmas-card-list.78448/page-2



Has anything changed with Marty since then?

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[ILove2Lurk]

You don't mess around with Jesse.

I like Jesse. He's a Chi-town homeboy.

My favorite Jesse story is him pulling a gun on DM and Norman (I think
Marty was in the room too). Here's my homage to Jesse:

:wink2:
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