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I'm an interned auditor on NED I've studied all the grades
and for 17 years been exposed to conversations re tech with those highly trained including class XIIs.
I know without doubt that scientology can work. Its obvious it doesn't always do so. About 50% of my auditing in COS was irrelevant but there were many sessions that were revelatory. I know very many who had good results including some of my PCs It is thus impossible for me to know that it can't work.
If the many schools of psychotherapy have some workability why not Scn?
Ironically, you are trying to prove that Scientology WORKS by giving reasons that DON'T WORK.
1. I mentioned that despite your having spent appx. 40 years in Scientology promoting Hubbard's tech, "...you never actually studied the auditing tech and advanced up the training side of the Grade Chart."
You replied:
I'm an interned auditor on NED I've studied all the grades and for 17 years been exposed to conversations re tech with those highly trained including class XIIs.
Problems:
a) 40 years "on the bridge" but you only completed a beginner's level auditor course (NED) that only takes 3 weeks. Per the tech that you are promoting, this could only happen if you had "crashing misunderstoods".
b) Although you "blew" from the entire auditor training side of the Grade Chart to Class XII--never even making it up to Level 0--you nonetheless allude to some esoteric "auditor training" that did not actually exist in any Scientology training academy worldwide. This is the same statusy high-level, do-it-yourself training claimed by noted nut Marty Rathbun. In fact, it's the same statusy certification fraud Hubbard used when he claimed to be a "doctor" and a "nuclear physicist". Your training, you proudly admit, consisted of having "studied all the grades"--which would have consisted of studying HUNDREDS of PABs/HCOBS and HUNDREDS of recorded audio lectures (SHSBC) which you assuredly did not do. And even if you had looked at those issues, you did not do it in an actual course room where you were required to pass tests/drills which revealed if you even understood one thing you "studied".
c) It now gets way weirder. You attempt to prove your training bona fides by promoting that you were "exposed to conversations re tech with those highly trained including class XIIs". So in 40 years of Scientology making the able (you) more able, you were only "able" to do eavesdropping?
CONCLUSION: You attempt to disprove that you "never actually ...advanced up the training side of the Grade Chart" by confirming that you never actually advanced up the training side of the grade chart.
2. You respond to a parody auditing command ("what would have to happen for you to know that Scientology didn't work?") by stating that it is "...impossible for me to know that it can't work".CONCLUSION: Exactly. That's why you need to be standardly run on the command--requiring you to answer the auditing question---rather than trying to debate it.
4. You posed a profound philosophical question which you were (apparently) unable to answer ("If the many schools of psychotherapy have some workability why not Scn?"). Here is the answer: Many schools of psychotherapy do not contain Gorilla Goal Implants, Intergalactic DC-8s, Xenuphobia and OT Miracles-On-Demand.CONCLUSION: Only a Scientology "Clear" with perfect memory would forget that Scientology therapy includes overboarding, chain lockers, rehabilitation gulags, declares, disconnections, bankrupting, fair gaming, stalking, terrorism, ritualistic beatings and a "snarling defense[sup]1[/sup]" of rapists & pedophiles.
5. Here is a helpful koan for Indie-Scientologists epically struggling with the fact that Scientology doesn't work. If you are a standard auditor, running a standard session, do you standardly indicate your preclear's standard F/N if he standardly cognites with standard VVGIs that "Scientology doesn't work!"?
CONCLUSION: No Scientologist nor Indie-Scientologist can ever possibly solve this koan. Because the exact moment they understand it, they are no longer a Scientologist or Indie.
.[sup]1[/sup] "snarling defense": This is one of the "responsibilities of leaders" that Hubbard's "scripture" mandates to his fanatical followers, in case he is sued, debunked or arrested.
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