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Is Scientology Satanic ?

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
He said it was a very rare recording, and had not been seen on the Internet since 2009. It had the unwieldy title, “Electropsychometric Scouting: Battles of the Universes.”
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I remember a big flap at Flag, in the early 1980's, where copies of the tape had, somehow, been made and put on the bookstore list, and public had actually bought some. There was an order from uplines that ALL copies of that tape be tracked down and handed over to Pers Comm (the office of LRH's personal communicator), with the shore story being that it was a Class XII tape.

Although I vaguely remembered the title as being "Electropsychometric Surveying: Battles of the Universes.”

In any event, there's a thread about it on WhyWeProtest, started by a guy who allegedly had the tape
 

lionheart

Gold Meritorious Patron
Scientologists accept whatever Hubbard wrote without question. He is simply 'source' and what he says is indisputably correct. Once free of the thought-stopping confines of the church however, it can be seen that a great deal of what he writes - and the OTIII narrative is a perfect example, simply does not stand up to serious scrutiny.
Hubbard was so wrapped in the physical and the egotistical that he was incapable of writing any decent metaphysical ideas, hence the illogical HCOB above.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Classically, Satanism involved the idea of making a deal with a powerful entity (Satan), in which one sought abilities, power and wealth on Earth, in exchange for being that entity's eternal servant (selling one's soul).

This describes Scientology very well.

What is the Billion Year Contract, but selling one's soul?

What is the attraction of the OT levels? Superhuman Power to accomplish goals?
 

strativarius

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Classically, Satanism involved the idea of making a deal with a powerful entity (Satan), in which one sought abilities, power and wealth on Earth, in exchange for being that entity's eternal servant (selling one's soul).

This describes Scientology very well.

What is the Billion Year Contract, but selling one's soul?

What is the attraction of the OT levels? Superhuman Power to accomplish goals?
I'm not too sure about that Enthetan. Joining the Sea Org was very much a one-way transaction (I know, I did it). You didn't have to join the SO to do the OT levels. People who joined learned that they received very little in the way of training and processing but instead found themselves scrubbing decks with a toothbrush or spending time in a chain locker.
 

TomKat

Patron Meritorious
Hubbard was so wrapped in the physical and the egotistical that he was incapable of writing any decent metaphysical ideas, hence the illogical HCOB above.
OT3 was a lot of people making too much of PC data because the PC happened to be LRH
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm not too sure about that Enthetan. Joining the Sea Org was very much a one-way transaction (I know, I did it). You didn't have to join the SO to do the OT levels. People who joined learned that they received very little in the way of training and processing but instead found themselves scrubbing decks with a toothbrush or spending time in a chain locker.
I like Enthetan's point. It's like, who better to define satanism than people who believe in it's existence and have a comprehensive and historical understanding of what it means. I suppose when talking about satanism we could go way back to pre-Christian times but in today's context aren't we talking about Christianity vs paganism? To a Christian, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

And there certainly are an awful lot of things about Scientology that fit that description. It's true than non-Sea Org Scientologists haven't signed the billion year contract but their money pays for other people who have. Lots of Sea Org members route out and continue to be active true believers. As you say, very rarely do Sea Org members get the auditing and tech training they are promised. To a Christian that is probably comparable to being a second class satanist - studying lot's of satanism and helping other people meet satan but not getting to participate in the conjuring and sacrifices yourself.

Scientologists live in fear of many things but paramount among those things is the threat of losing access to the Bridge, auditing and training because they believe it is the only way to salvage their spiritual eternity and to save the planet and all of humanity. If they don't go clear and OT then they are doomed to wander the universe as lost souls in an eternal downward spiral of degradation and unconsciousness. Forever lost will be the chance to regain their original abilities to read minds, go full perceptic exterior at will, levitate ashtrays, strip away whole planet's atmospheres, zap each other with tractor and pressor beams, have full whole track recall and consciously pick your new perfect body and rich IAS statusy Scientology parents.

I think it's fair to assume that Christians believe only God has the power to grant these things and anyone else who promises it is a deceiver, a minion of evil selling a wrong path that leads to Satan. We can argue that both Christianity and Scientology are just pushing their own versions of religious monopoly but that doesn't let Scientology off the hook for meeting the Christian interpretation.

And Scientology paints Christianity as it's own version of hell. It's just all the dramatization of whole track implants intended to keep us from finding Scientology, the only workable spiritual technology or to make us destroy it if we do. Bet they don't put that it the Interdenominational Brochure.
 

strativarius

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
I like Enthetan's point. It's like, who better to define satanism than people who believe in it's existence and have a comprehensive and historical understanding of what it means. I suppose when talking about satanism we could go way back to pre-Christian times but in today's context aren't we talking about Christianity vs paganism? To a Christian, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

And there certainly are an awful lot of things about Scientology that fit that description. It's true than non-Sea Org Scientologists haven't signed the billion year contract but their money pays for other people who have. Lots of Sea Org members route out and continue to be active true believers. As you say, very rarely do Sea Org members get the auditing and tech training they are promised. To a Christian that is probably comparable to being a second class satanist - studying lot's of satanism and helping other people meet satan but not getting to participate in the conjuring and sacrifices yourself.

Scientologists live in fear of many things but paramount among those things is the threat of losing access to the Bridge, auditing and training because they believe it is the only way to salvage their spiritual eternity and to save the planet and all of humanity. If they don't go clear and OT then they are doomed to wander the universe as lost souls in an eternal downward spiral of degradation and unconsciousness. Forever lost will be the chance to regain their original abilities to read minds, go full perceptic exterior at will, levitate ashtrays, strip away whole planet's atmospheres, zap each other with tractor and pressor beams, have full whole track recall and consciously pick your new perfect body and rich IAS statusy Scientology parents.

I think it's fair to assume that Christians believe only God has the power to grant these things and anyone else who promises it is a deceiver, a minion of evil selling a wrong path that leads to Satan. We can argue that both Christianity and Scientology are just pushing their own versions of religious monopoly but that doesn't let Scientology off the hook for meeting the Christian interpretation.

And Scientology paints Christianity as it's own version of hell. It's just all the dramatization of whole track implants intended to keep us from finding Scientology, the only workable spiritual technology or to make us destroy it if we do. Bet they don't put that it the Interdenominational Brochure.
While I would never make stuff up (being discovered doing that would tend to make anything I subsequently wrote to be viewed with suspicion), I look upon replying to posts simply as an opportunity to cast scientology in a bad light in one way or another. Enthetan's post was a case in point.
 

pineapple

Silver Meritorious Patron
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Interesting. I never thought of it that way. And if the "S" is a snake, what are the triangles? Female genitals? An inverted triangle certainly suggests that ... And why more than one triangle? IIRC, in SOS (Science of Survival), Hubbard said, "A normal man will try to own and impregnate as many females as possible." (Paraphrase from memory.) And Hubs was pretty busy in that department in his younger days.

Could be Hubbard intentionally planted this right under our noses and thought we'd never notice -- and he was right.
 

strativarius

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
scio_snake2.gif

Interesting. I never thought of it that way. And if the "S" is a snake, what are the triangles? Female genitals? An inverted triangle certainly suggests that ... And why more than one triangle? IIRC, in SOS (Science of Survival), Hubbard said, "A normal man will try to own and impregnate as many females as possible." (Paraphrase from memory.) And Hubs was pretty busy in that department in his younger days.

Could be Hubbard intentionally planted this right under our noses and thought we'd never notice -- and he was right.
I might have this completely wrong, but I believe the snake is a representation of the 'Serpent of Caduceus' and the triangles are the ARC and KRC triangles.
 

TheOriginalBigBlue

Gold Meritorious Patron
I remember a big flap at Flag, in the early 1980's, where copies of the tape had, somehow, been made and put on the bookstore list, and public had actually bought some. There was an order from uplines that ALL copies of that tape be tracked down and handed over to Pers Comm (the office of LRH's personal communicator), with the shore story being that it was a Class XII tape.

Although I vaguely remembered the title as being "Electropsychometric Surveying: Battles of the Universes.”

In any event, there's a thread about it on WhyWeProtest, started by a guy who allegedly had the tape
Thank Enthetan. I especially enjoyed J. Swifts pointed vintage commentary.

Hubbard was obviously still transitioning from OTO and hadn't made Targs fully his own in a new unit of time yet. Assuming had to backpedal to the obvious BIs in the audience and sudden revenue decline.
 

pineapple

Silver Meritorious Patron
I might have this completely wrong, but I believe the snake is a representation of the 'Serpent of Caduceus' and the triangles are the ARC and KRC triangles.
Well, that's the exoteric meaning. I was suggesting a possible esoteric meaning -- something that might have meant something to Hubbard that he thought we wouldn't pick up on. Just speculation on my part. It's hard to say what Hubbard really thought about anything, since he lied about almost everything.
 
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pineapple

Silver Meritorious Patron
OT3 was a lot of people making too much of PC data because the PC happened to be LRH
It wasn't "a lot of people" who made too much of it, it was Hubbard. And I'm not sure even Hubbard believed it was real track. I think this was probably just a further attempt to "baffle 'em with bullshit."
 

Gib

Crusader
Hubbard, what an asshole.

He said auditing removes significance, and yet at the same time one has to add significance to go up the bridge to total freedom, that is one has to study the significance of LRH and his lectures and his books and anything he said. LOL

And what is significance?

Hubbard's significance was going clear, and was going OT.

Boy oh boy did Hubbard add or evaluate going clear and OT, even from book 1.

In the end, Hubbard even admits he failed.
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
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He said auditing removes significance, ...
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(I don't remember any HCOB that says that.)
Hubbard said that auditing removes reactive mind "charge".
This is why Hubbard said to audit "charge" (e-meter) and not significance.

IMO, he just found this better to create a brain dopamine effect even though he didn't realize that this is what he was doing.
 
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Gib

Crusader
Always remember mainstream religions are what the leaders of those religions say it is. If there is a religion that says eating fish on Friday is good then eating beef on Friday is bad -- and enough of these arbitrary "bads" make you an evil person according to that religion's (arbitrary) dictates.

On the other hand, there's always what's below:

Helena





HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor. East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 5 MAY 1980
LIMITED DISTRIBUTION
ISSUE I

OT VIII Course Students
OT OT VIII Auditors
OT VIII C/Ses
AO Review Auditors
AO C/Ses

OT VIII Series I
C O N F I D E N T I A L
STUDENT BRIEFING

By the time you read this I will no longer be occupying the body and identity that you have known as Ron. That identity continues to live in the hearts and minds of many as well as in on-Source tech and admin centers around the planet, and will inspire for years to come Scientologists and lovers of truth everywhere.

What follows is a story that has been withheld, for reasons which will soon be obvious, until such time as there were enough OTs that something could be done about it. That time is now. It is not a nice or a pretty story, but I trust that having arrived on the OT VIII Course you are ready to hear it. You have undoubtedly heard pieces of data over the years that hinted at the greater untold reality of my mission here on Earth, but the story was never written, nor spoken, in its entirety due to security problems that have unfortunately always plagued the organization. It is only now that I feel it safe to release the information, although the time is rapidly approaching when I will have no choice in the matter, the hour draws that near.

I am not going to delve too deeply into specifics as people have a tendency to bog themselves down in significance, which would only serve to delay the immediacy of the task at hand. Therefore I will be brief.

Some eighty-odd million years ago Earth time (it actually dates at 78,395,042 but dates are a bit superfluous with this material) plans were drawn by a group outside the MEST universe for the eventual takeover of a good portion of this universe. Not a particularly large nor imaginative crew, their exterior perspective, however, gives them considerable advantage over the time-bound beings of the MEST universe. Borrowing from earlier operations such as Helatrobus, they conceived an ongoing implant, some portions of which have been fairly faithfully rendered in parts of the Bible. This implant, laid in by carefully controlled genetic mutation at Incident Two of OT III and periodically reinforced by controlled historic events since then, makes it effectively impossible for beings on the more heavily affected planets such as Earth to become free. It causes progressive genetic "evolution" that gives the subject population greater and greater susceptibility to the telepathic impingement and direction of the controllers. In its final stage the progression becomes almost geometric, and it is this final stage that we are rapidly approaching.
Another aspect of this GE-line implant is that the body becomes in effect a sort of theta trap that kicks in heavily on the being should he attempt to expand his horizons beyond that of pure physical universe reality. There can be temporary key-outs which we have all experienced in varying degrees, but until this area is handled it can honestly be said that there is no hope for continued expansion. The good news is that once this is run out, expansion becomes rather effortless and almost automatic.

No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which an arch-enemy of Christ, referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and his opinions will have sway. All this makes for very fantastic, entertaining reading but there is truth in it. This anti-Christ represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the "light bearers" or "light bringer"), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment, the Galactic Confederacy. My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief anti-Christ period. During this period there is a fleeting opportunity for the whole scenario to be effectively derailed, which would make it impossible for the mass Marcabian landing (Second Coming) to take place. The Second Coming is designed, among other things, to trigger a rapid series of destructive events.

With the exception of the original Buddhism, virtually all religions of any consequence on this planet, mono- and pantheistic alike, have been instruments to speed the progress of this "evolution of consciousness" and bring about the eventual enslavement of mankind. As you know, Siddhartha Gautama never claimed to be anything more than a man. Having caught on to this operation, he postulated his own return as Metteyya, part of which prophecy will have been fulfilled upon the passing of L. Ron Hubbard.

For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.

It is a good joke that the Galactic Confederacy is associated with the Serpent in the Garden, the beast and other emissaries of the "Prince of Darkness". Yet in certain passages and esoteric interpretations of the Bible (much of which has been taken out and effectively suppressed for centuries) as well as the Cabbalah, the truth reveals itself quite nicely for the clever and the ungullible.

So it really is a race against time and one that we happen to be losing at the moment, as the implant drama inexorably plays itself out in spite of the breakneck pace I've managed to keep up these last thirty-five years.

I had an inkling, but only that, of the insidiousness of this material as far back as 1945. Later, in charcteristic over-optimism, I thought that R6 would be the end of it. But that was followed by NOTs and the Purification Rundown and still the string continued to unwind with the ball at the end of it just out of sight. It makes one wonder about such things as fate and destiny, such was the resolve with which I managed to cling to that string, not often knowing how close I was to falling into the abyss myself, but destiny is merely the rationalization of feeble minds. Things don't just happen, they are caused. And causative beings can undo the plans of madmen and would-be enslavers, no matter how long those plans may have been in the making.

I will soon leave this world only to return and complete my mission with another identity. Although I long to stretch my arms back in repose on some distant star in some distant galaxy, it appears that is one dream that will have to wait. But my return depends on people like you doing these materials thoroughly and completely so that there will be a genetically uncontaminated body for me to pick up and resume where I left off. A body free of religious mania, right/wrong dichotomy and synthetic karma. The job ahead is far too tough to even contemplate doing with your standard -- courtesy of certain other-dimensional players and their Marcab pieces, many of whom are right here in the general populace -- genetically altered body.

Without the biogenetic meddling of those who stand outside time (who cannot yet directly influence our world and must work through others) the dwindling spiral is not nearly as automatic and self-perpetuating as it appears. There are regions even in isolated parts of the Milky Way where poets are free to poet and magicians can paint reality with their magic wands and exteriorize without body kickback. But these areas unfortunately are fewer and fewer.

I will return not as a religious leader but a political one. That happens to be the requisite beingness for the task at hand. I will not be known to most of you, my activities misunderstood by many, yet along with your constant effort in the theta band I will effectively postpone and then halt a series of events designed to make happy slaves of us all.

So there you have it. The secret that I have kept close to my chest all these years. Now you too are part of this secret and I no longer have to shoulder the burden alone or live with the possibility of body death before all the data could be released. And with this briefing I entrust to each of you the responsibility for this material until such time as I am able to return. For we have no help from any other quarter in this matter. The handful of secret societies throughout history that have caught on to this game have long since fallen by the wayside or been taken over and become instruments of the very menace they were set up to combat.

The rundown is long and can be arduous, but it must be done thoroughly if there is to be any effect not only on the body of the pre-OT but the body of his or her progeny as well. There is some danger, but with OT VII thoroughly complete it is not nearly so great as the danger witnessed by assorted unfortunates who happened to stumble into this area in their sleep or in moments of reverie or anaten, experiencing an hitherto mysterious phenomenon known as "spontaneous combustion".

CAUTION: DO NOT BE PTS WHILE TRAVERSING THIS THIRD AND FINAL WALL OF FIRE
But the area is well charted, the rundown many years in secret development, and by the time you read this undoubtedly completed on myself. The wins awaiting you are like none that you have ever experienced, not just for you, but for your children, your children's children and the whole of mankind, if we succeed. And we will. If we had time we should pity the many poor souls, from 1950 to PT, who chose such an exactly inopportune moment to drop off the road to truth and disconnect from reality, the full burst and glory of OT practically within their grasp. But we haven't the time to "wax philosophic" or ponder might have beens.

The rundown follows. Again I say, do it thoroughly and completely, for it is your ticket to the stars. And beyond!

L. RON HUBBARD
FOUNDER

LRH:lrh
Copyright (c) 1980
by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
There is a problem with that HCOB I see.

First of all it is written 1980. Hubdard died in 1986, read the first paragraph. Second, it's not written in Hubbard's rhetoric style, it's different.

Something ain't right about it.

It doesn't matter in the end anyways, because there are no clears or OT's, just say'in.
 
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