Axiom142
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This is something that I’ve wanted to ask for a while now. I suppose this question is really aimed at those people who have actually done and / or supervised the OT levels from OTIII to OTVII. What I’m after is what Hubbard says about these levels or what people have actually seen for themselves.
Since I have never done the OT levels, I’ve not had a chance to study all the data pertaining to them. But, I have read some of the theory behind these levels that was posted on the Net. I’ve also listened to audio recording that Hubbard made on the subject and read some of the discussions that Ex-Scientologists have engaged in.
My understanding (and feel free to correct me) is that Hubbard states that every human being has many thousands of invisible beings, known as Body Thetans (BTs) stuck to and possibly in, their bodies. These BTs are pretty much the same as ‘regular’ Thetans, but they had been so degraded as beings that they have no self-determinism and are unable to have their own identities and thus cannot exist as individuals like ordinary humans. These BTs can cause a variety of problems for the hosts ranging from all manner of physical ailments to behaving totally irrationally, committing crimes etc.
One of the major incidents causing these BTs to become degraded is Incident II of the OTIII story, which occurred 75 million years ago. At that time, an evil tyrant called Xenu (or possibly Xemu - Hubbard seems to use both spellings), caused a great catastrophe in which billions upon billions of beings were killed by blowing them up with Hydrogen bombs, after placing them in volcanoes on this planet. Immediately after dying, all the disembodied beings (Thetans) were caught by ‘electronic ribbons’ and implanted with false images and purposes in order to cause them to lose their self-determinism. Thus, many billions of these Thetans were left to float around aimlessly on this planet until life evolved, culminating in Homo Sapiens.
When we humans appeared on the scene, the Thetans gleefully attached themselves to us in their tens of thousands and have been causing mayhem ever since. Hubbard claimed to have discovered this fact, but at great personal danger to himself. In fact, he stated that he almost died while making this discovery and that this information was so dangerous that it would make anyone who learnt the truth before they were ready, very ill or even kill them!
Quite apart from sounding rather daft, there are many logical problems with this story. Firstly, Hubbard claimed that many billions of beings were transported to this planet in space planes that looked exactly like Douglas DC-8 jet airliners. For a start, why would a spaceship capable of interstellar travel need wings? Also, assuming a similar payload capacity, many billions of craft movements would be required to transport the countless billions (76 planets with an average population of 178 billion) to Earth. Not impossible, but rather impractical. Why not kill them and implant them in situ? And, if there were really 250 billion beings living on Earth, why have we found not trace of them? At the very least, we should surely have found artefacts or the remains of structures? If these did not survive, then surely this number of people would have required that all easily accessible minerals be mined from the Earth’s crust? This, we would have noticed. And, how could that number of beings be fed? The current population of this planet is around 6.7 billion and we have trouble feeding all those. How could 37 times that number survive?
Hubbard claimed to have created methods to remove these BTs from an individual, thus making that individual more ‘free’. The OT levels from OTIII through OTVII are all concerned with removing BTs, but from different angles.
After learning of all this, certain questions came to me, the main one being:
Are the OT levels permanent? When a person is cleared of all their BTs on OTVII, what is to stop many more BTs coming swarming in and attaching themselves to that person? Or, when a person dies and then subsequently picks up a new body, would they acquire a whole new set of BTs in much the same way that ‘ordinary’ people do when they are born?
Obviously it would be good business sense for the CoS if this happened as any returning OTs would have to do their OT levels again, but would be very tedious for that person.
And, while I’m at it, does anyone have any answers to these questions as well?
How many BTs does each person have?
Do BTs only attach themselves to people at birth, or at any other time as well?
As the Earth’s population keeps rising, does this mean that each person gets a smaller number of BTs each?
If Thetans could be trapped by various ‘electronic’ devices, would it be possible to create a machine that could zap them away from people, thus bypassing the OT levels?
Any answers gratefully received.
Axiom142
Since I have never done the OT levels, I’ve not had a chance to study all the data pertaining to them. But, I have read some of the theory behind these levels that was posted on the Net. I’ve also listened to audio recording that Hubbard made on the subject and read some of the discussions that Ex-Scientologists have engaged in.
My understanding (and feel free to correct me) is that Hubbard states that every human being has many thousands of invisible beings, known as Body Thetans (BTs) stuck to and possibly in, their bodies. These BTs are pretty much the same as ‘regular’ Thetans, but they had been so degraded as beings that they have no self-determinism and are unable to have their own identities and thus cannot exist as individuals like ordinary humans. These BTs can cause a variety of problems for the hosts ranging from all manner of physical ailments to behaving totally irrationally, committing crimes etc.
One of the major incidents causing these BTs to become degraded is Incident II of the OTIII story, which occurred 75 million years ago. At that time, an evil tyrant called Xenu (or possibly Xemu - Hubbard seems to use both spellings), caused a great catastrophe in which billions upon billions of beings were killed by blowing them up with Hydrogen bombs, after placing them in volcanoes on this planet. Immediately after dying, all the disembodied beings (Thetans) were caught by ‘electronic ribbons’ and implanted with false images and purposes in order to cause them to lose their self-determinism. Thus, many billions of these Thetans were left to float around aimlessly on this planet until life evolved, culminating in Homo Sapiens.
When we humans appeared on the scene, the Thetans gleefully attached themselves to us in their tens of thousands and have been causing mayhem ever since. Hubbard claimed to have discovered this fact, but at great personal danger to himself. In fact, he stated that he almost died while making this discovery and that this information was so dangerous that it would make anyone who learnt the truth before they were ready, very ill or even kill them!
Quite apart from sounding rather daft, there are many logical problems with this story. Firstly, Hubbard claimed that many billions of beings were transported to this planet in space planes that looked exactly like Douglas DC-8 jet airliners. For a start, why would a spaceship capable of interstellar travel need wings? Also, assuming a similar payload capacity, many billions of craft movements would be required to transport the countless billions (76 planets with an average population of 178 billion) to Earth. Not impossible, but rather impractical. Why not kill them and implant them in situ? And, if there were really 250 billion beings living on Earth, why have we found not trace of them? At the very least, we should surely have found artefacts or the remains of structures? If these did not survive, then surely this number of people would have required that all easily accessible minerals be mined from the Earth’s crust? This, we would have noticed. And, how could that number of beings be fed? The current population of this planet is around 6.7 billion and we have trouble feeding all those. How could 37 times that number survive?
Hubbard claimed to have created methods to remove these BTs from an individual, thus making that individual more ‘free’. The OT levels from OTIII through OTVII are all concerned with removing BTs, but from different angles.
After learning of all this, certain questions came to me, the main one being:
Are the OT levels permanent? When a person is cleared of all their BTs on OTVII, what is to stop many more BTs coming swarming in and attaching themselves to that person? Or, when a person dies and then subsequently picks up a new body, would they acquire a whole new set of BTs in much the same way that ‘ordinary’ people do when they are born?
Obviously it would be good business sense for the CoS if this happened as any returning OTs would have to do their OT levels again, but would be very tedious for that person.
And, while I’m at it, does anyone have any answers to these questions as well?
How many BTs does each person have?
Do BTs only attach themselves to people at birth, or at any other time as well?
As the Earth’s population keeps rising, does this mean that each person gets a smaller number of BTs each?
If Thetans could be trapped by various ‘electronic’ devices, would it be possible to create a machine that could zap them away from people, thus bypassing the OT levels?
Any answers gratefully received.
Axiom142