Bill
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LOL. After 70 years, well, I know.You hope
LOL. After 70 years, well, I know.You hope
You're mocking it up.Someone at a Michael Harner workshop in the 80s said that if you look behind the official Ron photo hanging on every wall, you can see the monster (psychically). I never saw it.
Anybody can do black magic. And, a lot of people got into Scn after having practiced other things, such as witchcraft.
Obvious you were never an auditor. But what am I mocking up?You're mocking it up.
Wrong.Obvious you were never an auditor. But what am I mocking up?
One of the main reasons people join cults is due to the encouragement/agreement and validation used on potential victims from people they (once) trusted ... people they perhaps looked up to and believed were sane and well balanced. I know that's why I ended up in the cofs but I'm also aware of my own responsibility in it.Egregore:
http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Egregore
I heard there's a Scientology egregore that attacks everyone who leaves the CofS. Can create symptoms of deep depression. That's why so many people go back. I also heard that the CofS has experimented with black magic against its enemies. Like most black magic, it's about sending evil entities to torment people. I experienced some of that myself due to a connection to a big name squirrel. I had amazing nightmares every night, but it kind of backfired since I easily become lucid in my dreams and got to enjoying them, like a horror movie. That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Egregore is a provocative theory in the sense that there are INFLUENCES on the thoughts/behavior of humans that are not yet understood. For example, certain shared impulses (mob behavior) or inhibitions, making persons within groups docile and reluctant to make waves (by disagreeing) or installing guilt into a person's thinking to control their actions. One could attribute such behavior patterns to a "egregore" or many other things (demons, the devil, the forest God, the souls of our ancestors guiding us from above, aliens controlling us from afar and/or other being the undue effect of other dimensions--or even other times (the past or the future). Or the engram--the 4th dynamic engram, for example, that happened 75 million years ago.Egregore:
http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Egregore
I heard there's a Scientology egregore that attacks everyone who leaves the CofS. Can create symptoms of deep depression. That's why so many people go back.
"they DON'T GO BACK----same reason people don't put their hand back in a fire after being badly burned."Egregore is a provocative theory in the sense that there are INFLUENCES on the thoughts/behavior of humans that are not yet understood. For example, certain shared impulses (mob behavior) or inhibitions, making persons within groups docile and reluctant to make waves (by disagreeing) or installing guilt into a person's thinking to control their actions. One could attribute such behavior patterns to a "egregore" or many other things (demons, the devil, the forest God, the souls of our ancestors guiding us from above, aliens controlling us from afar and/or other being the undue effect of other dimensions--or even other times (the past or the future). Or the engram--the 4th dynamic engram, for example, that happened 75 million years ago.
All those theories are an explanation as to why people do or don't do things or do or don't think a certain way.
Eregore is, in that sense, no more or less compelling than the others. But it is true in the generic sense that SOMETHING is causing people to behave a certain way, and ANY explanation of the triggering source of such behavior is a "SOMETHING", so it suffices to satisfy an answer hunger in preference to having no answer.
I have no idea what of the egregore concept might be true or is fully unhinged. Some part of it could be true, or lead to more truth--even if the other 99% turns out to be mythology or superstition.
But, I find ANY theories for "group mind" to be interesting to explore with the ambition to learn more about human behavior. But that doesn't make it science or true.
Something in your post, however, I would have to say is not consistent with my own rather extensive and knowledgeable experience regarding Scientology. Your contention that "...that's why so many people go back." The truth is the opposite, because the vast majority of Scientologists NEVER go back. My own guesstimate is the upwards of 98% of the people who leave Scientology never "come back" like the Sea Org's motto.
Making your theory worse is that appx. 98% of the people who try Scientology leave.
If those metrics are viewed, then out of every 5,000 people that tried Scientology, 4,900 leave. Of the 4,900 escapees, only 0.98 return. Rounded off, it means only 1 out of 5000 go back into Scientology.
1 out of 5000 is rather compelling proof that the egregore theory, if anything, is compelling people to LEAVE the cult, not return to it.
However, if I was seeking an explanation for why people LEAVE Scientology in such overwhelming and alarming numbers, I can come up with a theory that is far simpler. That Scientology is a time-wasting, money-burning fraud that ruins people's lives. Ergo, they DON'T GO BACK----same reason people don't put their hand back in a fire after being badly burned.
Scientology is not hard to understand. It's simple, it's notrocketsci-fi science. LOL
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That's a true fact. Were it not true, I'd be laying on the floor.I don't believe in that..neither that anybody has psychic power to attack another being...it only does exist in one's mind as a belief that the other person is powerful and can harm you...
LOL"they DON'T GO BACK----same reason people don't put their hand back in a fire after being badly burned."
That's what engrams are for. So that you avoid danger in the future.
And scientology was one big ass engram!
However, somebody does have the psychic power to make you believe you are being attacked by other beings----and convince you pay $500,000 to audit those beings out on OT levels. lolI don't believe in that..neither that anybody has psychic power to attack another being(s).....
LOL LOL. . .
I was suffering from "electronic attacks" and determined they were coming
from reading the "President Trump (Part 2)" thread. I blocked a couple
members posting, stopped reading the thread, and the "electronic attacks"
stopped altogether.
It was just digital pixels after all, nothing more.
[pixels - millions of minute dots of illumination on my computer monitorthat form images and text]I wonder if my TV is doing the same? You know, Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon,
Rachel Maddow, et al.
The " Congresses" that were held during the mid-50s in Wa.D.C. were a good example of his audience going unconscious.LOL
One is not supposed to speak aloud around when someone who is experiencing an engram. Because it creates "engramic content".
Hubbard consistently and flagrantly violated the rule about speaking around unconscious people every single time he delivered one of those many hundreds of audiotaped lectures to Scientologists.
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When President Trump took office, I decided that he deserves the same benefit of the doubt that every other modern President has been given -- wait 100 days before saying if he's doing a good job or not.LOL LOL
I am similarly under attack.
It's Trump.
Everything he says/does is an attack...against me and mankind, on this planet.
We are all but doomed denizens in his Nazi concentration camp.
Not to get really off in the weeds about this, but I think there's something to thisEgregore is a provocative theory in the sense that there are INFLUENCES on the thoughts/behavior of humans that are not yet understood.
There may actually be demons, just dis-incarnate souls or ghouls even, but it would seem that you have to meet them half way and actually assign them power over you for them to have any.However, somebody does have the psychic power to make you believe you are being attacked by other beings----and convince you pay $500,000 to audit those beings out on OT levels. lol