Cornelius Bigot
Patron with Honors
Your main reason for starting this thread: promoting your nutty ramblings on other forums, which nobody reads.I had an interesting talk with a never in today on the OPEN Facebook group called SCIENTOLOGY DEPROGRAMMING.
"OPEN" as in 'one you're not banned from', as you probably created it yourself.
So you've found another nut to talk to. I doubt if his "weird experience" can be ascribed to anything other than coincidence.Philip Fairbanks
I was never in Scientology but after years of reading Campbell, Jung and countless NLP books from Structure of Magic on I realized the insidious nature of the CULT is that theres a baby in the bathwater.
I fell for Thelema and after a weird experience I couldn't explain spent years studying and trying to do the rituals. To this day though I want nothing to do with Crowley, Thelema or any orgs of which thankfully I was never a member, but there were parts of the (like Hubbard's, culled together from dozens of mysticisms before) practices that seemed to work.
As to deciding where the baby is in the bathwater or if a partially faulty set of "principles" cobbled together from other spiritualist hoaxers like Crowley for instance, can be practiced safely independent of the primary cult, as Mueller would say: I cant speak to that.
Apparently he found "parts of the practices that seemed to work". "Parts" and "seemed" being the important words here. Utter drivel. Lets put it to the test, Mr. Fairbanks.
Again : your main two reasons for being here : 1) Stir up shit and keep derailing the conversation. 2) Promote your nonsense posted in other places.URL of your nutty blog
Mainstream society? You sure speak for a lot of people. Narcissist much? People are allowed to ask questions in the face of nonsense. That is not "stigma".One of the most insidious aspects of having been in #Scientology is the stigma mainstream society places on Exes for having found a "baby" in the bathwater at all.
You act as if ex Scientologists all over the world are constantly lambasted in the streets about whether they hold on to certain aspects of Scientology. You are not sane. You do realize you're posting this on an Ex Scientologist Message Board, right? Oh great. Here comes the example that should prove your point. Oh dear.Most Exes under this mainstream humiliation will deny that there was ever a baby in the first place - just to show that they are not "brainwashed" any more, and mainstream society can accept them again.
This is a social pressure from mainstream society down onto members and former members of minority religious and spiritual pursuits. It's easy to see if you take an example outside of Scientology.
Now you're speaking for all "mainstream Egyptians". Putting words in the mouths of an entire civilization, as if you actually know anything. You are not sane.Egypt, for example, has a mainstream society that is primarily Islamic. But there have been a small group of Christians in Alexandria and Cairo for 2000 years called the Coptics.
Mainstream Egyptians need an explanation for why these people rejected the mainstream and chose to be Christian instead. So they say they did not choose at all - they were brainwashed or hypnotized or deceived into having beliefs that do not conform to theirs.
Also: 1) Christianity and Islam originated at roughly the same time and place. And 2) There's religious strife in most any given devoutly religious society that consists of more than one religious movement.
Please post a quote from a "mainstream Egyptian" saying Christians in Egypt are brainwashed. I'll allow your dumb ass to go back in time as far as you wish.
Your imaginary "pressure from mainstream society" (remember Egypt) is of course not talked about by anybody but yourself. Here you are again, speaking for a large group of people. In this case: all ex Scientologists. (Pssst... you are talking to ex Scientologists. They might know what "dominates their worldview" better than you do)This social pressure from mainstream society is rarely talked about any more among Ex "cult" members. The anticult movement beliefs of blaming the brainwashing dominate the worldviews of Exes now, and punishes them for rejecting mainstream religion and daring to find an alternative.
Example of such pressure? Of course not.Exes now are pressured to forget the "baby" they knew in Scientology, which was the reason they willingly and intentionally chose, every day, to be a Scientologist.
Still speaking for others. Still talking to ex Scientologists as if they don't know their own mind. You are not sane. What is self-destructive is a narcissistic world-view that gives you such a sense of entitlement, you start to believe you can speak for others. Large groups of people even. Soon enough you end up alone in life.When that baby disappeared, or if they no longer needed that baby, they left Scientology. And then they had to apologize to everybody in mainstream society for why they did what they did. "I was brainwashed" is an easy, and very self-destructive, way of explaining yourself so you can be acceptable again.
Can you post a quote of any ex Scientologist apologizing for ever having been a Scientologist? Of course you can't. I sure hope you believe your own drivel. That way at least there is one.What if Exes stopped apologizing for themselves?
What on earth are you even saying here? For some people getting out of a cult is something to recover from. For others the road might be less bumpy. You are not the arbiter in any case. And recovery and strength aren't mutually exclusive. You sure can babble.What if they valued the lessons they learned and recognized that getting out of a cult was not something to recover from, but something that they were strengthened by?
So basically this guy is saying people should recover at their own speed. Which goes against all your babble about what ex Scientologists supposedly think, what you assume they should think, and whether they need recovery or should just proclaim "i feel so strengthened!".Philip Fairbanks
I'm sure it's different depending on the individual and in some cases maybe best to just make a clean break. Though I was never in a cult I've found in studying them the tactics employed are the same as a few abusive sexes. There are, for instance, certain movies or songs I cant, rather wont listen to because it brings back all of that trauma. It'd be healthier maybe if i just faced it but I have to recover at my speed. So I can respect and empathize with folks regardless what line they're on.
Post a quote from either Mike Rinder or Chris Shelton blaming "brainwashing" for anything. Not mental conditioning or undue influence or anything else. Brainwashing.Some of the most abusive and fanatical people in Scientology, such as Mike Rinder and Chris Shelton, need to blame the brainwashing for how they acted while in the cult.
Pssst... nobody is saying every ex Scientologist need to apologize for something.But if you never harmed anyone in #Scientology, and never would - which is 99.9% of the people who were involved - you don't need to apologize, or to blame something else for why you were in Scientology.
Here you are literally saying that traumatized ex Scientologists are just faking it. That they just *tell* themselves they are traumatized. You are not sane.A person can be made to believe that they experienced trauma, or to re-interpret their experiences as trauma. They can build up a kind of socially constructed nightmare and tell themselves continually that they were traumatized - simply because they believed something different from the mainstream.
Then this:
I'd say it is.THIS IS NOT DENYING ANYONE WHO WAS TRAUMATIZED AND WHO NEEDS HELP