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DM gone, now what?

Pascal

Pascal

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What would happen if DM were to do the right thing and kick the bucket? Who would inherit the Church?
 
KnightVision

KnightVision

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I would hope that the OT's (ie big stock investors)would intervene and bring about an oversight committee.... anything short of the public playing a big role in oversight and control would just lead to the same ol same ol... LRH was wrong.... democracy can work if big crime is sufficiently scrutinized and fought.
 
gomorrhan

gomorrhan

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I think Miscavige is doing a wonderful job of creating Ron's real vision. Whoever takes over, next, will probably do the same.
 
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Stan D'Teque

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I seriously doubt that anything will save the Co$ from its current meltdown: if DM disappeared, it may give his successor/s a convenient scapegoat but then a major bunch of "new" PLs would have to be "discovered" banning OSA's current practices, buying new buildings with parishoners' money, dismantling RTC, etc. etc.. It'll never happen - the Co$ will simply suck itself into its own black hole and vanish.
 
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Zinjifar

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I doubt seriously that Davey would 'disappear' without the money/assets, and, a 'Church' of scientology without its war chest can no more survive than a toothless anemic vampire.

Zinj
 
Pascal

Pascal

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What would legally happen?

Ok but what would legally happen? DM is gone and left no instructions or nuttin. Who would become King legally? Any lawyers here? Any way to know what is in the CST or RTC Charters or constitutions?
 
Smitty

Smitty

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Lisa Allen, CO Gold, would take over. She is the only executive to survive intact all of David Miscavige's SP declares and offloads. She has a reputation for anti-social conduct, and may be as much a psychopath as Miscavige is. Very little would change. It would literally be "business as usual" in corporate scientology.
 
Pascal

Pascal

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Smitty said:
Lisa Allen, CO Gold, would take over. She is the only executive to survive intact all of David Miscavige's SP declares and offloads. She has a reputation for anti-social conduct, and may be as much a psychopath as Miscavige is. Very little would change. It would literally be "business as usual" in corporate scientology.
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Would she beat staff up like Davey does? And ride a bike with Tomkat? Or maybe just ride Tomkat and skip the bike part... :happydance:
 
Little Bear Victor

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Smitty said:
Lisa Allen, CO Gold, would take over. She is the only executive to survive intact all of David Miscavige's SP declares and offloads. She has a reputation for anti-social conduct, and may be as much a psychopath as Miscavige is. Very little would change. It would literally be "business as usual" in corporate scientology.
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True -- she was chosen for the job by winning the game of musical chairs, but from CO Gold to in charge of all Scientology, CST, RTC, CMOI, ASI, Exec Strata included...? It's a bit of a stretch, but not impossible, for she is de facto a direct junior of DM's. (Anyone know if she was ever in RTC?)

My guess for who would take over if DM took off would have been ex-CO CST, Russ Bellin, but that was in 2006. DM has had two years to wipe out any resemblance of authority Russ had, which might make it impossible now.

Here's my list of likely prospects:

Russ Bellin -- ex-CO CST
Norman F. Starkey -- ex-Trustee ASI
Greg Wilhere -- ex D/IG RTC
Marc Yager -- ex IG Admin
Jenny Linson -- ex WDC Chairman
Guillaume Lesevre -- ex-ED Int

Less likely but possible candidates:

Dave Bloomberg -- ex-ED ASI
Wendell Reynolds -- ex-Int Finance Dir
Janet Light -- ex-President IASA
Heber Jentzsch -- Ex-President CSI
Ray Mithoff -- ex-IG Tech
(Debbie Cook -- ex-CO FSO just fell off this list)

Probably largely matches DM's list of the most dangerous rivals.

Couple of more prospects -- the only ones DM "trusted" (wrong word for it, "used" is closer) in early 2007:

Warren McShane -- D/IG Internal Affairs
Lisa Allen -- CO Gold
Anne Rathbun -- RTC Rep Flag

Legally CST would be the one to take over -- but only if DM doesn't run off with the legal ownership of everything having to do with Scientology, which he is obviously set up to do, with undated signed resignations and a computerized database of blackmail material on all potential rivals included.

Just about the only "salvation" for CoS would be to deliver DM to the authorities themselves and declare him. Problem is, it is set up so that it is impossible to do so from the inside.

(And if you expect the incumbents of the SP Room to ever rise up, you're dreaming. One critical comment about DM from one of them would result in an immediate revocation of any "progress" they have made on their program and any hope for them to ever get out of there.)

All in all, it is still mostly up to DM whether the CoS is going to end with a bang or with a whimper.

V
 
Pascal

Pascal

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But who is legally second in command? Anyone has the CST charter? DM is the only guy with half a ball, the others seem like pushovers and wimps.
 
Ladybird

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I think there is a "Palace Coup" brewing. Palace Coup is defined as "a challenge to or overthrow of a sovereign or other leader by members of the ruling family or group."

I have heard rumours that Ronnie and Bitty Miscavige, Mike Rinder, Marty Rathbun and some other very high ranking defectors are recruiting critics and freezoners, including some blown Class XIIs.

It makes me wonder that all these high level defectors are all in touch with each other and all still scientologists...are they planning to overthrow Davey and take over the "church" or start a new one? Or is it something more sinister, like a plan to infiltrate the government (again)?

Since most of them were involved in many of the crimes and coverups, ...well, I just don't know...

Check out this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/b753badf4aa79c89?hl=en#



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There is nothing as wild in the books of Man as will probably happen here on Earth. And it will happen and be allowed to happen simply because all this is so incredible that nobody will even think of stopping it until it is far, far too late. LRH in "A History of Man"
 
Carnaubawax

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The simpleton Tom Cruise would be the chosen one. He would be acceptable to Church Scientologists, and in a pinch, would probably be enough of an idiot to want the job. Miscavige might accept him as mouthpiece,(unlikely, unlikely, reluctantly) if he could rule through him. But no matter who is chosen, or whoever scrambles to the top of the heap, Scientology is over as any kind of effective organisation. Miscavige would never ever accept anyone who has worked under him. I'm sure that Miscavige would rather see the Church totally destroyed than in anybody elses hands. The only way any of them could come to power is by revolution, and Miscavige will have prepared very well to prevent that. Paranoids always do. Hubbard had to be incapacitated to get the reigns from out of his hands, remember. So my guess is the simpleton Tom. But in any case the Church is terminally ill and living on borrowed time. There will be no palace coup. Miscavige will fiddle as his empire falls apart, and will then disappear to his long prepared hideout to live out his life in luxury. Soon you will see orgs close. Message ends.
 
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