What happened to this PMD guy? Did he already take over Int Management? I thought he was in Peru or conquering South America somewhere first. Anyone?
Alanzo:
PMD:
Result: :yikes: :jawdrop:
You have to use enough force to restrain the force that the bank is using to force them to do what they're doing.
Yeah, that's right. All in a day's work.
Me and Barney Fife.
Move along now. Get back to posting everybody.
We've got a planet to get to Patron Meritorious!
Does anybody actually know what DM is like?
That's an interesting question. I don't know that he can be personally, as a human being, be known. He is a "homo Novis" of Hubbard manufacture. I believe he basically works on the Hubbard principle that the more dangerous you are to your environment the better you survive. And he is getting more dangerous to people around his near and far every day. Yes, he has total distrust in people; he can only see traitors around him, witness the fact he has now SP declared most every ex exec, and does not even dare to offload them but keeps them at Int so they can't go out, find out how little support Scientology actually has, or find out the truth about it, band together and cause his immediate demise. So he tries to continue the Hubbard tactics (although he has reinterpreted what declaring someone an SP means -- usually you're supposed to disconnect from them and their only comm line is IJC, etc, etc.) BTW, he does intimidate the "SPs" by the fact that he has their declares all written and that if he needs to get rid of them (i.e. they don't turn around to become his loyal and unquestioning supporters) he will destroy their reputation and sue them back to the stone ages, and other pleasant encouragement of that sort. So how is he? In the probably 40-50 COB meetings I was present, he was pleasant once that I recall. That was a small meeting with only four people present and he was addressing one of his (back then) favorite staff members in the world. In all other cases, the meetings have followed the predictable pattern of toasting one person after another, telling them he has to do all the work they are supposed to, that they are incompetent, out-ethics, counter-intentioned a*holes (his language is very descriptive and one of the worst of anyone I've ever known, in internal meetings). By several eye-witness reports, the meetings have escalated to frequent physical attacks on people, although I personally witnessed only one such occurrence. It was enough for me.
On the other side, he is a brilliant strategist, an enormously fast thinker and has very good public presentation (when he wants it). He clearly thinks he is about 1000X better, smarter, in-ethics and on-source than anyone he works with. He generally boasts that he does all the production at Int and Gold anyways, so he has no need for people. This is somewhat contrary to the fact that his ending part at virtually every event is a recruitment speech. From his viewpoint, which I have a hard time getting into (but try to by guessing at what LRH policies he views as the key ones to apply), he is probably doing that constant weeding process for those few loyal staff members who (are like him?) and "do what LRH would do." My current take is that he really believes he is doing everything possible to expand Scientology and apply LRH tech, the only contrary fact to which is the report that he has not himself gone in session since 1992 except for occasional ruds sessions. (No wonder his ruds are constantly out!)
There are many things similar between him and LRH, for the simple reason that he is trying to emulate the "what would LRH do in this situation" policy. One other key aspect is that he is definitely a "Do as I say, not as I do" personality, like LRH was. I would go as far as daring to suspect LRH imposed his personality on DM so strongly he has taken on the "valence" of his mentor. I would not be surprised if LRH had actually personally hypnotized DM to believe he was the chosen all-powerful leader of Scn. Maybe, maybe not. The close association, methods of handling people and lifestyle which by themselves amount to brain washing may have done it as well.
Also, he cannot take one blink of criticism on himself while doling out virtual death threats on others. Really. In meetings you may factually get declared and off-loaded on the spot if you do something that pisses him off really good, such as forget to acknowledge him after he has called you a motherf*ing a*hole, or say you didn't hear or understand what he said, don't have an answer, have a comm lag, look away, "lie" to him (he can "see through" any lies), or any of various other major offenses that classify as Suppressive Acts when done in His presence. To say that the meetings are intense is an understatement. To say that you are happy to make it through (another) one is much closer to truth.
And it is true that Scientology has given him everything he has: Money, power, name and fame. So he will do anything to "keep Scientology working." In recent years he has started to lose perspective at an increasing rate. He really thinks he can do it all by himself and doesn't need all the people that are doing all the work for him. One day, not so far in the future he will wake up to find himself dying in the ditch, forgotten or despised, just like his greatest role model, Simon Bolivar. And he will blame it all on the "people" who did not understand greatness.
No, Dave, we don't. Not greatness like this.
Victor
(PS. "Responsibilities of Leaders" is actually a pretty good policy to judge him by. You can predict what he will do if you know that policy. "The power has the right to shoot its enemies until such time as comes a golden age," "what pink legs?" He just hasn't realized his fate is about to become the same as Bolivars did.)
How does he maintain the loyalty of his inner circle?
Is it as simple as your eternal salvation depends on it?
and is there any point this circle could just say screw it and turn on him?
That's an interesting question. I don't know that he can be personally, as a human being, be known. He is a "homo Novis" of Hubbard manufacture. I believe he basically works on the Hubbard principle that the more dangerous you are to your environment the better you survive. And he is getting more dangerous to people around his near and far every day. Yes, he has total distrust in people; he can only see traitors around him, witness the fact he has now SP declared most every ex exec, and does not even dare to offload them but keeps them at Int so they can't go out, find out how little support Scientology actually has, or find out the truth about it, band together and cause his immediate demise. So he tries to continue the Hubbard tactics (although he has reinterpreted what declaring someone an SP means -- usually you're supposed to disconnect from them and their only comm line is IJC, etc, etc.) BTW, he does intimidate the "SPs" by the fact that he has their declares all written and that if he needs to get rid of them (i.e. they don't turn around to become his loyal and unquestioning supporters) he will destroy their reputation and sue them back to the stone ages, and other pleasant encouragement of that sort. So how is he? In the probably 40-50 COB meetings I was present, he was pleasant once that I recall. That was a small meeting with only four people present and he was addressing one of his (back then) favorite staff members in the world. In all other cases, the meetings have followed the predictable pattern of toasting one person after another, telling them he has to do all the work they are supposed to, that they are incompetent, out-ethics, counter-intentioned a*holes (his language is very descriptive and one of the worst of anyone I've ever known, in internal meetings). By several eye-witness reports, the meetings have escalated to frequent physical attacks on people, although I personally witnessed only one such occurrence. It was enough for me.
On the other side, he is a brilliant strategist, an enormously fast thinker and has very good public presentation (when he wants it). He clearly thinks he is about 1000X better, smarter, in-ethics and on-source than anyone he works with. He generally boasts that he does all the production at Int and Gold anyways, so he has no need for people. This is somewhat contrary to the fact that his ending part at virtually every event is a recruitment speech. From his viewpoint, which I have a hard time getting into (but try to by guessing at what LRH policies he views as the key ones to apply), he is probably doing that constant weeding process for those few loyal staff members who (are like him?) and "do what LRH would do." My current take is that he really believes he is doing everything possible to expand Scientology and apply LRH tech, the only contrary fact to which is the report that he has not himself gone in session since 1992 except for occasional ruds sessions. (No wonder his ruds are constantly out!)
There are many things similar between him and LRH, for the simple reason that he is trying to emulate the "what would LRH do in this situation" policy. One other key aspect is that he is definitely a "Do as I say, not as I do" personality, like LRH was. I would go as far as daring to suspect LRH imposed his personality on DM so strongly he has taken on the "valence" of his mentor. I would not be surprised if LRH had actually personally hypnotized DM to believe he was the chosen all-powerful leader of Scn. Maybe, maybe not. The close association, methods of handling people and lifestyle which by themselves amount to brain washing may have done it as well.
Also, he cannot take one blink of criticism on himself while doling out virtual death threats on others. Really. In meetings you may factually get declared and off-loaded on the spot if you do something that pisses him off really good, such as forget to acknowledge him after he has called you a motherf*ing a*hole, or say you didn't hear or understand what he said, don't have an answer, have a comm lag, look away, "lie" to him (he can "see through" any lies), or any of various other major offenses that classify as Suppressive Acts when done in His presence. To say that the meetings are intense is an understatement. To say that you are happy to make it through (another) one is much closer to truth.
And it is true that Scientology has given him everything he has: Money, power, name and fame. So he will do anything to "keep Scientology working." In recent years he has started to lose perspective at an increasing rate. He really thinks he can do it all by himself and doesn't need all the people that are doing all the work for him. One day, not so far in the future he will wake up to find himself dying in the ditch, forgotten or despised, just like his greatest role model, Simon Bolivar. And he will blame it all on the "people" who did not understand greatness.
No, Dave, we don't. Not greatness like this.
Victor
(PS. "Responsibilities of Leaders" is actually a pretty good policy to judge him by. You can predict what he will do if you know that policy. "The power has the right to shoot its enemies until such time as comes a golden age," "what pink legs?" He just hasn't realized his fate is about to become the same as Bolivars did.)
How does he maintain the loyalty of his inner circle?
Is it as simple as your eternal salvation depends on it?
and is there any point this circle could just say screw it and turn on him?
Victor,I'm curious.
If there is any valid argument to DM screwing around ,changing or
altering some of what LRH wrote.Do you feel this could have any
consequences?
After all,LRH is the final authority on everything,if I'm not mistaken.
I'm curious how DM gets around this?
Victor,I'm curious.
If there is any valid argument to DM screwing around ,changing or
altering some of what LRH wrote.Do you feel this could have any
consequences?
After all,LRH is the final authority on everything,if I'm not mistaken.
I'm curious how DM gets around this?
answer ,if you feel comfortable with these questions.
I find it interesting to talk to scientologists that were in the organization
a long time.
I was only involved briefly with it and sort of saw through it,so to speak
and left.
Davey is a humorless martinet and vicious weasle. So there's little 'saving grace'.
Victor,I'm curious.
If there is any valid argument to DM screwing around ,changing or
altering some of what LRH wrote.Do you feel this could have any
consequences?
After all,LRH is the final authority on everything,if I'm not mistaken.
I'm curious how DM gets around this?
answer ,if you feel comfortable with these questions.
I find it interesting to talk to scientologists that were in the organization
a long time.
I was only involved briefly with it and sort of saw through it,so to speak
and left.
4) Punctuation: This is where it gets pretty ridiculous. DM personally punctuated most books! He even said he is no expert on the matter. Yet any and all punctuation experts who worked on the books, Sea Org or professional, were deemed incompetent jerks one after the other and he "had to" do it himself. For some insight into this, he originally punctuated the books to make the typesetting look better (that's a new punctuation rule no one in the universe has ever heard of). To clarify, if he thought the words were too far apart on a specific line of typeset page, he would introduce a comma or a dash or some other punctuation mark to "fill it up." Literally. This was a long story, but the essential outcome is that the punctuation you now have in the books is for the most part his, based on the original dictation recordings and his amazing ability to punctuate better than any professional although he was no expert (Don't ask me how that is possible).