Sky
Patron with Honors
"There is no such thing as a fat cell." --LRH
(I believe this is from HCOB THE PURIFICATION RUNDOWN REPLACES THE SWEAT PROGRAM)
Sky
Narconon Victims
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"There is no such thing as a fat cell." --LRH
(I believe this is from HCOB THE PURIFICATION RUNDOWN REPLACES THE SWEAT PROGRAM)
Sky
Terril park
Sponsor
Hi Sky,
You have an exact quote and ref? Sadly the new vols HCOB is
updated 1990. No mention apparently.
There are the usual refs re LSD residing in fatty tissues. I'd assume these were fat cells.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
You have an exact quote and ref? Sadly the new vols HCOB is
updated 1990. No mention apparently.
There are the usual refs re LSD residing in fatty tissues. I'd assume these were fat cells.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
Terril park
Sponsor
Oingo Boingo, you open an area of discussion not resolved as yet. See URL below as just the tip of the iceberg. Twice Nobel prize winner.
http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/07/l...rchers_claim_rda_for_vitamin_c_is_flawed.html
RDAs have not been established with good science, or are strongly disagreed with.
They are usually set by adjusting upward slightly the amount required to prevent the defficiency disease, for example scurvy re vit C.
What is optimum?
Per the pharmaceutical industry more drugs.
The pharmaceutical industry is severely corrupt.
I suspect this line of enquiry will just end with arguments from opposing entrenched views.
A therapy taking a few weeks with mega vitamins is not really subject to RDA data anyway.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/07/l...rchers_claim_rda_for_vitamin_c_is_flawed.html
RDAs have not been established with good science, or are strongly disagreed with.
They are usually set by adjusting upward slightly the amount required to prevent the defficiency disease, for example scurvy re vit C.
What is optimum?
Per the pharmaceutical industry more drugs.
The pharmaceutical industry is severely corrupt.
I suspect this line of enquiry will just end with arguments from opposing entrenched views.
A therapy taking a few weeks with mega vitamins is not really subject to RDA data anyway.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
Terrill-I do Not think that You-Scientology-Narconon or Freezone is in any position to speculate on or about issues regarding biology without hard science to back it up which you clearly aren't qualified to evaluate. Neither am I.
The wild speculations from the 1970's sold lots of books. Remember the Hunza people? Eat like the Hunzas and live to be 150 yo. That was really big in 1969.
Sweating out drugs as therapy is just as valid as placing an aspirin on top of your head to get rid of a headache.
Now then....you take a chronic/morbid alcoholic who does the sauna therapy. I have no doubt that he would reek (sp) of liquor in the sauna. duh.
It's called being Literally Pickeled (in gallons of ethanol).
We have all stood next to someone who smelled bad because he drank so much--cheap gin or barley odor fills the room.
But..Next time you are in the sauna with a tweeker and the guy smells like meth-give me a call so we can talk.
um...on second thought-don't....
Just the Idea of Measureable success in Sweat therapy is RIDICULOUS.
I sincerely hope the Freezone steers clear of the organization riddled with Junk Science called Narconon.
It will kill you guys. Because guess what..? The critics want to do surgery on this cancerous scientology appendage--and I support them 1000%.
It's that bad.
It has to go away, because AFAIAC it's an Illegal Rx. Prescribing and delivering quack therapy is a very serious Felony in the US.
Hubbard at his very worst and most irresponsible.
We are getting this thing banned school district by school district and state by state.
Some of us are very serious about this issue.
I did my own personal investigation sometime around 1990- Before any of this.
I drove by them to and from work for years in Los Angeles and was sick of hearing the snake oil claims.
I had a long conversation/meeting with someone who is Now at the top at Narconon International.
This person confided in me as an "EX-Scn".
I will write about it one day.
respectfully..
UMike
The wild speculations from the 1970's sold lots of books. Remember the Hunza people? Eat like the Hunzas and live to be 150 yo. That was really big in 1969.
Sweating out drugs as therapy is just as valid as placing an aspirin on top of your head to get rid of a headache.
Now then....you take a chronic/morbid alcoholic who does the sauna therapy. I have no doubt that he would reek (sp) of liquor in the sauna. duh.
It's called being Literally Pickeled (in gallons of ethanol).
We have all stood next to someone who smelled bad because he drank so much--cheap gin or barley odor fills the room.
But..Next time you are in the sauna with a tweeker and the guy smells like meth-give me a call so we can talk.
um...on second thought-don't....
Just the Idea of Measureable success in Sweat therapy is RIDICULOUS.
I sincerely hope the Freezone steers clear of the organization riddled with Junk Science called Narconon.
It will kill you guys. Because guess what..? The critics want to do surgery on this cancerous scientology appendage--and I support them 1000%.
It's that bad.
It has to go away, because AFAIAC it's an Illegal Rx. Prescribing and delivering quack therapy is a very serious Felony in the US.
Hubbard at his very worst and most irresponsible.
We are getting this thing banned school district by school district and state by state.
Some of us are very serious about this issue.
I did my own personal investigation sometime around 1990- Before any of this.
I drove by them to and from work for years in Los Angeles and was sick of hearing the snake oil claims.
I had a long conversation/meeting with someone who is Now at the top at Narconon International.
This person confided in me as an "EX-Scn".
I will write about it one day.
respectfully..
UMike
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Terril park
Sponsor
U-Mike
Terrill-I do Not think that You-Scientology-Narconon or Freezone is in any position to speculate on or about issues regarding biology without hard science to back it up which you clearly aren't qualified to evaluate. Neither am I.
BB
Even scientists are not nessesarily qualified.
Your point is valid though.
I'm primarilly trying to seek info.
Dr Krassel was iether a medical Dr. or PH D, and a professer in the pharmocology dept of a german university. Fucked over by COS.
Frankly I can post much harder evidence against purif than has been offered.
I'm looking for valid info. I'm yet to see valid info against the purif.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
Terrill-I do Not think that You-Scientology-Narconon or Freezone is in any position to speculate on or about issues regarding biology without hard science to back it up which you clearly aren't qualified to evaluate. Neither am I.
BB
Even scientists are not nessesarily qualified.
Your point is valid though.
I'm primarilly trying to seek info.Dr Krassel was iether a medical Dr. or PH D, and a professer in the pharmocology dept of a german university. Fucked over by COS.
Frankly I can post much harder evidence against purif than has been offered.
I'm looking for valid info. I'm yet to see valid info against the purif.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
tamaritha
Patron
The point Oingo Boingo is making is exactly that there is no such thing as an RDA, and that one can't exactly take things up to below a threshold and be sure it didn't affect them negatively. Oh, and by the way, just because a discussion wasn't resolved with you, it doesn't prevent it from being based on fact. After all, we don't have to run to you and discuss whether gravity exists every time we wish to talk about it, do we?
And where is the evidence that people admitted to the Purif does have a deficiency in said vitamins? Why is it that the dosages are the same regardless of the person's background, if those vitamins are there merely to treat those deficiencies?
Please don't throw non sequiturs. Whoever the hell said anything about "optimum" here?
Another non sequitur. And I would like this evidence of the pharmaceutical industry seriously being corrupt, Terril, before you start making any more blanket statements. Plus, the pharmaceutical industry being corrupt does not make Narconon and its Purif treatment any more valid, nor any less corrupt by comparison.
Then pray tell me, what do you reckon an ARGUMENT is, if it doesn't involve "opposing entrenched views"? Do you expect an argument where everybody sits down and merrily agrees with each other? Would you also be interested in this bridg.... Of course you are, and I'm being a retard by actually asking you.
And oh look, we finish with a weasel statement. To which I ask:
Your. Point. Is?
Oh, and also, Terril, we've said this many times before - we do not want direct url's to the Feezone, especially when in this particular case, it did not even enhance your nonexistent argument.
tamaritha
Patron
You admit that you've seen more hardline info than what most people has had to offer - yet you consider none of the information valid. Basically, you are supporting the Purif, and do not want any opposing viewpoints, or any evidence pointing to the contrary, because they're all not valid, and they're not valid because they oppose your viewpoint.
Gee, live in a self-centered world much, Terril?
Sky
Patron with Honors
Hi Terril,
I believe that is exactly what the HCOB or PL said. I'm not entirely certain which reference it was, it was one that was on the Purif I/C course. I don't have any access to the current HCOBs or PLs. Sorry.
I remember it because a couple of years ago I was doing metered word clearing on our Purif I/C In-Training and it came up as something that didn't make sense to him. I don't remember exactly how he resolved it in his mind, but I remember spending hours trying to find the MU that "must" have been before it.:rolleyes:
Didn't make any sense to me either, I was relieved when he finally got through it.
Sky
I can't devote the time necessary to get into this with you. But....you are clearly predisposed to buy into it Terrill.
I'm unable to comment on that issue either.
I will not insult your position. Nor would I criticize You personally for following any regime which you feel is beneficial.
I'm sure as hell not going to debate what vitamins do--if they do anything at all as supplements.
Nothing more boring than that.
I just don't want some loser like Clark Carr lecturing kids on Hubbard-Tech as high school students.
The foundation of "science" behind Purif-Tech is about as sound as Lermatic E-meter brainwashing tech.
UMike
I'm unable to comment on that issue either.
I will not insult your position. Nor would I criticize You personally for following any regime which you feel is beneficial.
I'm sure as hell not going to debate what vitamins do--if they do anything at all as supplements.
Nothing more boring than that.
I just don't want some loser like Clark Carr lecturing kids on Hubbard-Tech as high school students.
The foundation of "science" behind Purif-Tech is about as sound as Lermatic E-meter brainwashing tech.
UMike
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Oingo Boingo
Patron
The problem with your foisting this logic, is that it is a single instance out of how many vitamins, minerals and supplements, Terril? Not only that, but the hard data at least has come out in the open for review, research and if deemed necessary, will be researched and the new data appended. Try doing that with Hubbardian dosages. If you so much as look at them sideways, it's squirreled tech. As for "good science", you're trying to tell me that all the PhD holding researchers, doing their work under the close eye of the government is "bad science"? Please... Look to your own house first when it comes to "bad science" from a man who not only took what are essentially potshot guesses at how much of each element to take for the purif, but demonstrably had a grasp so poor of what radiation entailed, that his "conclusions" were laughable at best. I mean, Hubbard thought radiation could be sweated out of the body!
I mean... come on! "Findings"? Odd how he never published the tests or processes used to establish these "findings".
Terril park said:
Of course they are! Why are you trying to put that in such a bad light, Terril? In fact, in the case of vitimin C, it is one of the more delicate compounds. Adjusting upwards is crucial for those who, for example, smoke, because smoking eats up vitiman C like it was breakfast, lunch and dinner plus a late night snack! Vitamin intake is not as cut and dried as "open mouth, insert tablet, swallow".
Terril park said:
Fallacious argument. Each dosage is dependant on the specific individual and dosages should be discussed with their physician and a regimen planned. For each single person there is an "optimum", and to do as Hubbard did, which is to say everyone should take X amount of Y vitamin is, at best, reckless and irresponsible.
Terril park said:
The pharmaceutical industry could give less than two shits about vitimans, because that's not where the money is, Terril. The money is in Prozac, Imitrex, Viagra and a sundry other "high end" medications that they are attempting, so they say, to recoup their R&D costs on. There is no R&D costs on vitimans, because their effects and use are uniform.
Terril park said:
And this can be said about many institutions. This is a dead end part of your argument.
Terril park said:
And you expected... What, exactly? That's what debate is all about, Terril. People aren't going to sit down and shut up just because the hard, verifiable data they're giving you doesn't fit into what you want to hear. Nor will people go into agreement with you just because you're Terril Parks and they just want to placate you. If you can't handle the fact that there is data that exists that nullifies your point, perhaps you shouldn't pose the questions, man.
Terril park said:
Says who? You? In the case of the purif, it's not a question of just a few micrograms over the recommended limits, it's an assload of over the top mega doses over a prolonged period of time. The toxicity data alone applies from day one! People are stuffing their bodies with things that said body has a limited capacity to deal with. It's like constantly red lining an engine; at some point, somethings gotta give. Odds are, it'll be the organ of the body that has to deal with such outrageous and overwhelming amounts of vitamins and minerals.
In the end, Terril, it's all fine and good for you to sit back and say that you're primarily seeking data, but it's worthless if all you ever want to do is shoot said data down and promote, protect and apologize for the tech.
Terril park
Sponsor
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
They are usually set by adjusting upward slightly the amount required to prevent the defficiency disease, for example scurvy re vit C.
Of course they are! Why are you trying to put that in such a bad light, Terril? In fact, in the case of vitimin C, it is one of the more delicate compounds. Adjusting upwards is crucial for those who, for example, smoke, because smoking eats up vitiman C like it was breakfast, lunch and dinner plus a late night snack! Vitamin intake is not as cut and dried as "open mouth, insert tablet, swallow".
BB
My point. Your data is not universally considered.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
What is optimum?
Fallacious argument. Each dosage is dependant on the specific individual and dosages should be discussed with their physician and a regimen planned. For each single person there is an "optimum", and to do as Hubbard did, which is to say everyone should take X amount of Y vitamin is, at best, reckless and irresponsible.
BB
As a stand alone position ythis is nonsese.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
Per the pharmaceutical industry more drugs.
The pharmaceutical industry could give less than two shits about vitimans, because that's not where the money is, Terril. The money is in Prozac, Imitrex, Viagra and a sundry other "high end" medications that they are attempting, so they say, to recoup their R&D costs on. There is no R&D costs on vitimans, because their effects and use are uniform.
BB
Yes?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
The pharmaceutical industry is severely corrupt.
And this can be said about many institutions. This is a dead end part of your argument.
BB
Thats a stupid viewpoint. Consult your own political nemisis.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
I suspect this line of enquiry will just end with arguments from opposing entrenched views.
And you expected... What, exactly? That's what debate is all about, Terril. People aren't going to sit down and shut up just because the hard, verifiable data they're giving you doesn't fit into what you want to hear. Nor will people go into agreement with you just because you're Terril Parks and they just want to placate you. If you can't handle the fact that there is data that exists that nullifies your point, perhaps you shouldn't pose the questions, man.
BB
The data?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
A therapy taking a few weeks with mega vitamins is not really subject to RDA data anyway.
Says who? You? In the case of the purif, it's not a question of just a few micrograms over the recommended limits, it's an assload of over the top mega doses over a prolonged period of time. The toxicity data alone applies from day one! People are stuffing their bodies with things that said body has a limited capacity to deal with. It's like constantly red lining an engine; at some point, somethings gotta give. Odds are, it'll be the organ of the body that has to deal with such outrageous and overwhelming amounts of vitamins and minerals.
BB
So give all records off the downside.
In the end, Terril, it's all fine and good for you to sit back and say that you're primarily seeking data, but it's worthless if all you ever want to do is shoot said data down and promote, protect and apologize for the tech.
BB
So fuck you nicely too. Do your job.
Originally Posted by Terril park
They are usually set by adjusting upward slightly the amount required to prevent the defficiency disease, for example scurvy re vit C.
Of course they are! Why are you trying to put that in such a bad light, Terril? In fact, in the case of vitimin C, it is one of the more delicate compounds. Adjusting upwards is crucial for those who, for example, smoke, because smoking eats up vitiman C like it was breakfast, lunch and dinner plus a late night snack! Vitamin intake is not as cut and dried as "open mouth, insert tablet, swallow".
BB
My point. Your data is not universally considered.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
What is optimum?
Fallacious argument. Each dosage is dependant on the specific individual and dosages should be discussed with their physician and a regimen planned. For each single person there is an "optimum", and to do as Hubbard did, which is to say everyone should take X amount of Y vitamin is, at best, reckless and irresponsible.
BB
As a stand alone position ythis is nonsese.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
Per the pharmaceutical industry more drugs.
The pharmaceutical industry could give less than two shits about vitimans, because that's not where the money is, Terril. The money is in Prozac, Imitrex, Viagra and a sundry other "high end" medications that they are attempting, so they say, to recoup their R&D costs on. There is no R&D costs on vitimans, because their effects and use are uniform.
BB
Yes?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
The pharmaceutical industry is severely corrupt.
And this can be said about many institutions. This is a dead end part of your argument.
BB
Thats a stupid viewpoint. Consult your own political nemisis.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
I suspect this line of enquiry will just end with arguments from opposing entrenched views.
And you expected... What, exactly? That's what debate is all about, Terril. People aren't going to sit down and shut up just because the hard, verifiable data they're giving you doesn't fit into what you want to hear. Nor will people go into agreement with you just because you're Terril Parks and they just want to placate you. If you can't handle the fact that there is data that exists that nullifies your point, perhaps you shouldn't pose the questions, man.
BB
The data?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terril park
A therapy taking a few weeks with mega vitamins is not really subject to RDA data anyway.
Says who? You? In the case of the purif, it's not a question of just a few micrograms over the recommended limits, it's an assload of over the top mega doses over a prolonged period of time. The toxicity data alone applies from day one! People are stuffing their bodies with things that said body has a limited capacity to deal with. It's like constantly red lining an engine; at some point, somethings gotta give. Odds are, it'll be the organ of the body that has to deal with such outrageous and overwhelming amounts of vitamins and minerals.
BB
So give all records off the downside.
In the end, Terril, it's all fine and good for you to sit back and say that you're primarily seeking data, but it's worthless if all you ever want to do is shoot said data down and promote, protect and apologize for the tech.
BB
So fuck you nicely too. Do your job.
Oingo Boingo
Patron
Terril,
I found your last response to me in this thread to be highly offensive and just plain rude. You've employed replies such as "nonsense", "stupid" and most aggravating, "fuck you nicely too".
In the meantime you have offered comparitively little in the way of facts whilst not only expecting others to do your research footwork for you, but using a plethora of wiggle words such as "perhaps", "could be", "not sure", "possibly" and the like.
If you are in any way unclear as to how to conduct yourself here, I refer you to the user FAQ of the board, which I would encourage you to peruse at your earliest opportunity, because it's obvious that you have not understood it in it's totality.
Once you grasp the meanng of debate without your name calling and use of invectives, perhaps at that time, we'll speak again.
I found your last response to me in this thread to be highly offensive and just plain rude. You've employed replies such as "nonsense", "stupid" and most aggravating, "fuck you nicely too".
In the meantime you have offered comparitively little in the way of facts whilst not only expecting others to do your research footwork for you, but using a plethora of wiggle words such as "perhaps", "could be", "not sure", "possibly" and the like.
If you are in any way unclear as to how to conduct yourself here, I refer you to the user FAQ of the board, which I would encourage you to peruse at your earliest opportunity, because it's obvious that you have not understood it in it's totality.
Once you grasp the meanng of debate without your name calling and use of invectives, perhaps at that time, we'll speak again.
Terril park
Sponsor
Sorry OB,
I was a bit rude.
Please post data that shows the purif to be harmfull.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
I was a bit rude.
Please post data that shows the purif to be harmfull.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
Oingo Boingo
Patron
There is such a thing as redundancy of information, Terril. To that end, there's no need for me to post any data for you, since Tachikoma has already, and in abundance, provided such data, and that data is quite in alignment with my own thoughts on the matter. To add to this would be superfluous.
As Tachikoma also points out, you need to do your own groundwork and back up some of your statements for a change instead of asking people to dredge up info for you. Saying something that someone states is nonsense is one thing, but actually backing that up with researched, hard evidence, as opposed to simply holding a personal opinion is something else entirely. Saying something is "not universally considered" is just another way of saying something is "singularly ignored". Especially if the entity doing the ignoring has something to gain from said ignorance.
It's your turn to bring it to the table IMO.
Barbz
Patron with Honors
Terril wants data?
I gotcher data right here:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/detox.htm
You DO know how to do further research from the cites given, don't you?
But, will you? Or will you just keep on defending the junk science of a dead science fiction writer instead?
I gotcher data right here:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/detox.htm
You DO know how to do further research from the cites given, don't you?
But, will you? Or will you just keep on defending the junk science of a dead science fiction writer instead?
Peter Schilte
Patron with Honors
The high doses of Niacin (B3) have high risks:
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/VitaminB3Niacincs.html
No qualified doctor will ever give high doses of B3 when it is not for strict medical reasons. It is dangerous! In the purif they play with the health of their victims.
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/VitaminB3Niacincs.html
No qualified doctor will ever give high doses of B3 when it is not for strict medical reasons. It is dangerous! In the purif they play with the health of their victims.
Terril park
Sponsor
Thanks Barb, more on all that later.
Thanks Navy,
That website had much of interest :-
"Niacin plays an important role in ridding the body of toxic and
harmful chemicals."
So LRH was onto something.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
Thanks Navy,
That website had much of interest :-
"Niacin plays an important role in ridding the body of toxic and
harmful chemicals."
So LRH was onto something.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
Peter Schilte
Patron with Honors
Terril, Hubbard, as in many other cases, heard something about it, or read something about it, but draw his own, wrong, conclusions. And described high doses without paying attention to the risks. He also claimed that LSD was stored in body fat, which isn't the case: LSD is water soluble and within hours disapeared out of the body. It does not attach to fat.
Terril park
Sponsor
LRH was a pioneer in detox. Were there any before him?
Some have commented he wasn't to hot on science. And he wrote mostly before the latest research. He was looking at detox before the purif. many
in the broad health field have been looking at detox. His first try was the sweat out program I believe it was called, running in a rubber suit.
He was of course concerned about doing this very thoroughly because of the impact of drugs on people, and the capacity to make auditing less effective. I believe he has created the most extreme, and probably the most effective detox program.
You have an URL re LSD not being fat soluble?
Then does that rule out its storage in the body. I have read in health publications that toxins get shunted into cellulite. Seems a rational move for a body. Almost everything is soluble in the " universal solvent". And somehow things seem to stick in the body. Including how dangerous it is to overdose on water soluble vitamins!
With regard to overdose of vits, I submit that its only Niacin which is potentially problematical. Most on purif never reach maximum doses. If they do its probably for a week or so.
Even re Niacin Prof Kassel dosn't see this as much of a problem.
Then what of those who don't do purif. What is there mortality rate?
I'm sure its not been researched.
My first purif was 5 weeks. The only street drugs I ever had was one shared joint of cannabis. Of course I never was interested in the purif.
However I got excellent wins. I think it was the removal of lead. And
a couple of occasions of anaesthetics.
I only met one person in a 40+ year involvement in SCN who had no gain on purif. Not sure how that ended up, but he had no problems iether.
I probably would get a masters in bio-chemistry to follow this through completely. I'll persue as I have time.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
Some have commented he wasn't to hot on science. And he wrote mostly before the latest research. He was looking at detox before the purif. many
in the broad health field have been looking at detox. His first try was the sweat out program I believe it was called, running in a rubber suit.
He was of course concerned about doing this very thoroughly because of the impact of drugs on people, and the capacity to make auditing less effective. I believe he has created the most extreme, and probably the most effective detox program.
You have an URL re LSD not being fat soluble?
Then does that rule out its storage in the body. I have read in health publications that toxins get shunted into cellulite. Seems a rational move for a body. Almost everything is soluble in the " universal solvent". And somehow things seem to stick in the body. Including how dangerous it is to overdose on water soluble vitamins!
With regard to overdose of vits, I submit that its only Niacin which is potentially problematical. Most on purif never reach maximum doses. If they do its probably for a week or so.
Even re Niacin Prof Kassel dosn't see this as much of a problem.
Then what of those who don't do purif. What is there mortality rate?
I'm sure its not been researched.
My first purif was 5 weeks. The only street drugs I ever had was one shared joint of cannabis. Of course I never was interested in the purif.
However I got excellent wins. I think it was the removal of lead. And
a couple of occasions of anaesthetics.
I only met one person in a 40+ year involvement in SCN who had no gain on purif. Not sure how that ended up, but he had no problems iether.
I probably would get a masters in bio-chemistry to follow this through completely. I'll persue as I have time.
http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs
http://internationalfreezone.net
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