grief counseling

[MichelleAsWell]

I have a question that may not have a straightforward answer.

In the current Church, what approach is taken to dealing with grief?

Is it recognized as a legitimate healthy reaction to losing a love one?

What sort of counseling would they give for this? (Public, not staff).

Thanks for any input you can give.

 

[Smilla]

They would get you to sign up for some auditing and fleece you. They would trivialize the loss on the grounds that all that was lost was a body, but they'd suck you dry anyway, and exploit the vulnerability. Stay well away.

 

[Wisened One]

I've had grief-related auditing processes in the past (many years ago, now). Idk, they are a bit strange...(Find something that does not remind you of ....). I always kinda got the distinct feeling that grief is not tolerated for too long in Scn. (I know NOBODY likes anyone to display grief for too long in life, anyways, but ya'll know what I mean).

Death is sort of tossed off as if someone laid down or lost their purse. Not really workable, when one goes through losses, sorry! (There's even an lrh reference talking about the body as if it's a purse).

 

[Daisy]

My experiences with the cult proved how heartless scientologists can be. Sympathy is not given for those in grief. They want you to be at cause, not effect and feeling in grief would be being in effect.

This caused me to hold back any sympathy from my children and for this I will always feel regret.

Leaving the cult gave me back my compassion.

 

[uniquemand]

If a person has a "grief charge", you run it out. It's that simple. Like any other overwhelming emotion, you keep running it until the person does recover a sense of themselves at cause and feels better. It's not about whether or not grief is good or bad, it's about whether or not you're stuck in it.

I hit a very, very major grief charge a few nights ago, that I had never touched in any counseling. You've never seen such a fountain of tears. It was great (terrible at first).

Nothing wrong with crying it out: it's when crying doesn't help, and it never comes out: that's when there is considered to be something "wrong". Not with the person, but with the incomplete cycle of discharging the grief.

Misunderstandings about in scientology practice. However, I don't remember people having a disdain for grief. In fact, blowing through a "grief charge" is considered a pretty major breakthrough.

 

[uniquemand]

Also, I'm not sure what they are doing "in the church", which is a bit of a "generality". I know what SHOULD be done, per basics of tech. Bring the person to "slight gentle cause" if the incident is "still happening" for them. When they seem to be returning to normal, but still have a grief charge, you handle with narrative dianetics.

 

[He-man]

Grief: Stop enturbulating you´r surrounding, be at cause not in effect, HE/SHE is only chnging a god damn BODY...

The only time I´ve seen some sort of empathy in regards to death in scientology, was when it caused a major flap.
I´m not talking about individual scientologists but how the "system" worked.

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

ARCX (ARC Break) Session is all I ever got at the CofS.

 

[MichelleAsWell]

Also, I'm not sure what they are doing "in the church", which is a bit of a "generality". I know what SHOULD be done, per basics of tech. Bring the person to "slight gentle cause" if the incident is "still happening" for them. When they seem to be returning to normal, but still have a grief charge, you handle with narrative dianetics.

What I meant about "in the church" means regardless of whatever people can quote from LRH, and regardless of what they SHOULD be doing, what are the actual experiences of Ex-Sci re: grief counseling.

A coworker read the blurb about John Travolta getting spiritual counseling for his grief almost daily and asked me what they would possibly doing with him daily.

I would imagine they're drilling him to not blame the church, minimalize the death, and take any and all blame on himself...but I wanted to check here first....

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I have a question that may not have a straightforward answer.

In the current Church, what approach is taken to dealing with grief?

Is it recognized as a legitimate healthy reaction to losing a love one?

What sort of counseling would they give for this? (Public, not staff).

Thanks for any input you can give.

Well, Hubbard did say that it's normal to feel various emotions (as described on the tone scale) for the appropriate situation, so grief would, hypothetically, be considered normal. However, most church members have a nasty habit of psychoanalyzing and evaluating for other members- staff are particularly prone to this. So the person would get mixed signals, IMO.

Smilla's right. The person could get auditing and it's expensive- hence the fleecing aspect. But the thing is, the church tends not to want to audit people to resolve what THAT PERSON wants to resolve. They want people to do their next service. I saw people who'd have loved some auditing for grief counselling or something like that just end up with their next step on the bridge.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

What I meant about "in the church" means regardless of whatever people can quote from LRH, and regardless of what they SHOULD be doing, what are the actual experiences of Ex-Sci re: grief counseling.

A coworker read the blurb about John Travolta getting spiritual counseling for his grief almost daily and asked me what they would possibly doing with him daily.

I would imagine they're drilling him to not blame the church, minimalize the death, and take any and all blame on himself...but I wanted to check here first....

If he really gets spiritual counselling re the grief, they could be giving him some sort of life repair, I suspect. But note I said "if".

 

[uniquemand]

Life Repair is not a kind of auditing. It's a program, specific to the issues of the "pc" or "preOT" that is designed to address whatever stuff is presently restimulating the "pc". In this case, it's likely the death of son, and anything connected to it. However, due to the scam cult's strangeness about "dianetics on clears", I don't really know what they'd do when a simple traumatic incident effected a "clear or above".

 

[smartone]

I took the cheap route. When my mother died, I kicked my boyfriend out of my house for the day and cried all day cuddling my dog. Felt much better the next day.

 

[uniquemand]

Looking at your pic, I imagine he cried all day, too.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

I've had grief-related auditing processes in the past (many years ago, now). Idk, they are a bit strange...(Find something that does not remind you of ....). I always kinda got the distinct feeling that grief is not tolerated for too long in Scn. (I know NOBODY likes anyone to display grief for too long in life, anyways, but ya'll know what I mean).

Death is sort of tossed off as if someone laid down or lost their purse. Not really workable, when one goes through losses, sorry! (There's even an lrh reference talking about the body as if it's a purse).

"I always kinda got the distinct feeling that grief not tolerated for too long"

Is a pretty good way of explaining how the cult forces you to write down "Wins" and fake how wonderful Scientology is before you are allowed to leave for the day.

 

[Smilla]

Life Repair is not a kind of auditing. It's a program, specific to the issues of the "pc" or "preOT" that is designed to address whatever stuff is presently restimulating the "pc". In this case, it's likely the death of son, and anything connected to it. However, due to the scam cult's strangeness about "dianetics on clears", I don't really know what they'd do when a simple traumatic incident effected a "clear or above".

They would look for weepy BT's if an OT. What a joke. Might end up running some clams. The truth is that they have very little to use regarding life's real challenges, such as bereavement as opposed to space fantasies. Much better would be to go to a bereavement counselor, who has some real training and ability in that area. As I said, stay well away. I'm tired and my english just floated out the window.

 

[uniquemand]

Oh, yeah, certainly, stay well away. Of course. I was just explaining what they could do that WOULD address it. Weepy bts? My ass. If they threw that at me, I think I would throw the emeter at them.

 

[Smilla]

Oh, yeah, certainly, stay well away. Of course. I was just explaining what they could do that WOULD address it. Weepy bts? My ass. If they threw that at me, I think I would throw the emeter at them.

That would be the thing to do

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Life Repair is not a kind of auditing. It's a program, specific to the issues of the "pc" or "preOT" that is designed to address whatever stuff is presently restimulating the "pc". In this case, it's likely the death of son, and anything connected to it. However, due to the scam cult's strangeness about "dianetics on clears", I don't really know what they'd do when a simple traumatic incident effected a "clear or above".

Odd. I could swear I heard of life repair auditing when I was in.

 

[Smilla]

Odd. I could swear I heard of life repair auditing when I was in.

I heard that they stopped delivering it because it made people feel better.