Catholics weighing in
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Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
It's getting out!
It's finally getting out!!!
Thank you Anonymous.
Thank you Marty.
Axiom142
Gold Meritorious Patron
Quote:
“An editorial published online at TampaBay.com on November 6 by the St. Petersburg Times called for a long-overdue investigation of Scientology.
“As former staffers lift the veil of secrecy that for years has obscured the inner workings of the Church of Scientology, a new mystery emerges: Why are government authorities looking the other way?
...
The Times is not alone in wondering why the group has not already been investigated. An increasing number of people, including this writer and many other Catholics are asking the very same question.”
It just gets better and better!
Given that there are over 1 billion Catholics in the world, I'd guess that this website would have a pretty large readership.
Now that’s what I call global dissemination of The Truth About Scientology!
Ax
“An editorial published online at TampaBay.com on November 6 by the St. Petersburg Times called for a long-overdue investigation of Scientology.
“As former staffers lift the veil of secrecy that for years has obscured the inner workings of the Church of Scientology, a new mystery emerges: Why are government authorities looking the other way?
...
The Times is not alone in wondering why the group has not already been investigated. An increasing number of people, including this writer and many other Catholics are asking the very same question.”
It just gets better and better!
Given that there are over 1 billion Catholics in the world, I'd guess that this website would have a pretty large readership.
Now that’s what I call global dissemination of The Truth About Scientology!
Ax
SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
This could be very important! - The Catholic Church making a stand.. It is the first time isn't it?
Heh.. The Sinister Cult of Scientology must declare the Catholic Church supressive now.. As per their policies.
And we may see a Papal ban on Scientology!
Heh.. The Sinister Cult of Scientology must declare the Catholic Church supressive now.. As per their policies.
And we may see a Papal ban on Scientology!
Wisened One
Crusader
HaHaaa, YEAH! 
Makes me glad I (used to be) Catholic!
Makes me glad I (used to be) Catholic!
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Anonycat
Crusader
Yes! Please tell friends, relatives, about this!
Also, a thread on this here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=14559
Also, a thread on this here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=14559
Catholics point the finger
It would seem, however, that principle gave way to pragmatics as Scientology grew. Affidavits and other reports of forced abortions go back as early as 1994 while the abortions themselves began taking place in the mid 80’s.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=34810
It would seem, however, that principle gave way to pragmatics as Scientology grew. Affidavits and other reports of forced abortions go back as early as 1994 while the abortions themselves began taking place in the mid 80’s.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=34810
byte301
Crusader
I know I'm going to regret asking this, Alanzo, but why are you thanking Marty? Was he forced to have an abortion? Or maybe his ex-wife?
I would thank the women who spoke out about this atrocity and how it affected them.
I'm not clear if Marty was instrumental in getting those articles published in the SP Times, but if he was I would thank him for that. Begrudgingly, I admit. Cuz I am a hater, of course.
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
I don't know.
It just seems to me that after so many years, it is FINALLY getting out. And when I look back, the two REAL BIG changes seem like they "were that fucking group, that fucking ANONymous group" as George Bailey said.
And then the SP Times articles.
I don't know. I'm just such a happy hater that I have no fucking clue what I am saying!!!
SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
There's no good reason to give Marty any credit! - He grabs that on his own determinism.
byte301
Crusader
LOL! Ok, I accept that. In fact you made me laugh out loud for reals.
I'd like to thank the SP Times Reporters too. And Nathan Baca, Tony Ortega, and any other brave reporters out there who had the guts to tackle the cult.
I think it is all finally coming to a head.
Anonycat
Crusader
LOL! Ok, I accept that. In fact you made me laugh out loud for reals.
I'd like to thank the SP Times Reporters too. And Nathan Baca, Tony Ortega, and any other brave reporters out there who had the guts to tackle the cult.
I think it is all finally coming to a head.
Indeed! It is close to Game Over!
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SweetnessandLight
Crusader
Seeing beyond the veil of "protection of religious beliefs"
This coerced abortion policy has nothing to do with Scientology's alleged "religious" beliefs or practices, and everything to do with "stats", the productivity of workers making money for the cult.
Getting all this horrible but true data about the COS into the mainstream media is the most effective way to disseminate to the world. Because it will make everybody really LOOK what Scientology practices, as opposed to what Scientology preaches (glossy pro-Sci PR and what's in the literature).
Kathleen Parker from the Washington Post Writers Group has an op/ed today about fighting coerced abortions and infanticide in China. Little does she know it is taking place right here in the land of Liberty, and anywhere else that organized Scientology holds sway.
I've been reporting this to religious and Woman's rights organizations since I first learned about it, Alanzo, you're right, it is finally getting "out" into mainstream consciousness. I think seeing it written about in mainstream media is what needs to happen to make it "real" for folks who know nothing about Scientology except for their slick PR.
Thank you to everyone who has been "leaking" news and information to the media for so long. The cumulative effort is really starting to pay off. It's the tipping point, folks! Keep it up!
Tell your stories, what you witnessed and what happened to you and your family members. Once this kind of knowledge is out in the public awareness, reform/change has to happen, because public opinion will demand it. People are basically good and will demand justice.
Bitey, thank you for voicing my thoughts, if we are going to thank anyone besides the writers (hurrah, writers can change the world- the pen is mightier than the sword!), let's thank the women who first had to endure this and then had the courage to speak out about it being the injustice that it is, rather than allowing themselves to be shuddered into silence by shame or blackmail. For every woman that has talked or written, even anonymously, about having an abortion to stay in good status with Scientology, I'll bet there are ten more who have been silenced.
I think many more abortions have occurred than have been reported, and are still occurring. I think many of the husbands or romantic partners involved knew nothing about them. I think the "church" has gotten smarter about not doing it en mass, sending them off to different locations to have the procedure done, instead of arriving with a van full of women month after month to the same health clinics (often on the taxpayers dime)...
I'll bet anything that this practice has been going on since before 1980, just kept very secret, even back to when abortions were illegal in this country, they were still common. There is a report from a family member, if I remember correctly, of Ron's trying to abort one of his own children, back before it was a legal medical procedure, in spite of how he says it messes up your case in Dianetics.
It was very common, but it was not POLICY of a "church" to ensure your usefulness to the system. It DOES NOT get more totalitarian than this, folks. Scientologist lurkers, if you have a daughter and want her to marry and enjoy a normal family life, DO NOT under ANY circumstances, no matter what recruiters promise you, allow her to be recruited into the Sea Org, ever. If you have a daughter in, GET HER OUT, even if you have to fake a heart attack to do so.
I say thank you to everyone who has acted up or spoken out for freedom at any level. I think there is great power in the accumulated voices telling the truth about their lives as Scientologists.
Daylight, I see more and more daylight all the time.
Big hug to the "happy haters", you gave me a chuckle!
This coerced abortion policy has nothing to do with Scientology's alleged "religious" beliefs or practices, and everything to do with "stats", the productivity of workers making money for the cult.
Getting all this horrible but true data about the COS into the mainstream media is the most effective way to disseminate to the world. Because it will make everybody really LOOK what Scientology practices, as opposed to what Scientology preaches (glossy pro-Sci PR and what's in the literature).
Kathleen Parker from the Washington Post Writers Group has an op/ed today about fighting coerced abortions and infanticide in China. Little does she know it is taking place right here in the land of Liberty, and anywhere else that organized Scientology holds sway.
I've been reporting this to religious and Woman's rights organizations since I first learned about it, Alanzo, you're right, it is finally getting "out" into mainstream consciousness. I think seeing it written about in mainstream media is what needs to happen to make it "real" for folks who know nothing about Scientology except for their slick PR.
Thank you to everyone who has been "leaking" news and information to the media for so long. The cumulative effort is really starting to pay off. It's the tipping point, folks! Keep it up!
Tell your stories, what you witnessed and what happened to you and your family members. Once this kind of knowledge is out in the public awareness, reform/change has to happen, because public opinion will demand it. People are basically good and will demand justice.
Bitey, thank you for voicing my thoughts, if we are going to thank anyone besides the writers (hurrah, writers can change the world- the pen is mightier than the sword!), let's thank the women who first had to endure this and then had the courage to speak out about it being the injustice that it is, rather than allowing themselves to be shuddered into silence by shame or blackmail. For every woman that has talked or written, even anonymously, about having an abortion to stay in good status with Scientology, I'll bet there are ten more who have been silenced.
I think many more abortions have occurred than have been reported, and are still occurring. I think many of the husbands or romantic partners involved knew nothing about them. I think the "church" has gotten smarter about not doing it en mass, sending them off to different locations to have the procedure done, instead of arriving with a van full of women month after month to the same health clinics (often on the taxpayers dime)...
I'll bet anything that this practice has been going on since before 1980, just kept very secret, even back to when abortions were illegal in this country, they were still common. There is a report from a family member, if I remember correctly, of Ron's trying to abort one of his own children, back before it was a legal medical procedure, in spite of how he says it messes up your case in Dianetics.
It was very common, but it was not POLICY of a "church" to ensure your usefulness to the system. It DOES NOT get more totalitarian than this, folks. Scientologist lurkers, if you have a daughter and want her to marry and enjoy a normal family life, DO NOT under ANY circumstances, no matter what recruiters promise you, allow her to be recruited into the Sea Org, ever. If you have a daughter in, GET HER OUT, even if you have to fake a heart attack to do so.
I say thank you to everyone who has acted up or spoken out for freedom at any level. I think there is great power in the accumulated voices telling the truth about their lives as Scientologists.
Daylight, I see more and more daylight all the time.
Big hug to the "happy haters", you gave me a chuckle!
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Ex_SaintHill
Patron with Honors
This is good news. Im curious what will come out from this. I think this is not the last we heard from it.
Perhaps we can now expect a strategic allience between
Anonymous and Opus Dei; perhaps with a contingent
of Knights of Columbus, Franciscan Friars, black robed
Jesuits and a few Nuns thrown in for good measure!
Would make for an interesting demonstration at the
next big ballyhooed scientology "event". Maybe
the Baptists can join up too, they're very anti abortion.
Anonymous and Opus Dei; perhaps with a contingent
of Knights of Columbus, Franciscan Friars, black robed
Jesuits and a few Nuns thrown in for good measure!
Would make for an interesting demonstration at the
next big ballyhooed scientology "event". Maybe
the Baptists can join up too, they're very anti abortion.
anonymous1312
Patron with Honors
Quote:
“An editorial published online at TampaBay.com on November 6 by the St. Petersburg Times called for a long-overdue investigation of Scientology.
“As former staffers lift the veil of secrecy that for years has obscured the inner workings of the Church of Scientology, a new mystery emerges: Why are government authorities looking the other way?
...
The Times is not alone in wondering why the group has not already been investigated. An increasing number of people, including this writer and many other Catholics are asking the very same question.”
It just gets better and better!
Given that there are over 1 billion Catholics in the world, I'd guess that this website would have a pretty large readership.
Now that’s what I call global dissemination of The Truth About Scientology!
Ax
Are you suggesting the author of the article deserves a Freedom Medal of Valor?
Note also at the end of the article:
Make it viral.
uniquemand
Unbeliever
Proud to be Catholic?
Well, I guess it's nice to turn the Nazis against each other.
Well, I guess it's nice to turn the Nazis against each other.
Nightingale
Patron with Honors
Yes, other than the obvious the enemy of my enemy . . .
Call it Scientology, Catholicism, etc. or any of the other ologys and isms. It all boils down to believing and what you are willing to do for that belief system--very dangerous, indeed.
Call it Scientology, Catholicism, etc. or any of the other ologys and isms. It all boils down to believing and what you are willing to do for that belief system--very dangerous, indeed.