Scientologists in Hot Water

[OHTEEATE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCdgzOur7Pk if you know Herb Zerden, John Woodruff, or Adolfo Quintero, this may interest you. John Woodruff was ED Orange County and for a while LA Day. They were involved with a Foreclosure avoidance company , and it was shut down and 13 million in assets frozen by a judge. Too typical these days, an ethically and morally bankrupt company run by money hungry Scientologists, creating wreakage, and making flaps. Sad to see these guys go off the rails so far. I know John and Adolfo well.

 

[Div6]

Thinking it is the reward, and not the product.

This is DM's product. I well remember censuring a couple of IAS regges for some of the BS they were laying on in the reg cycles they were doing.....one of them blurted out that there would be a time when "you could not buy OT levels".

I laughed my ass off at her......you never could "buy" OT levels. Still can't.

But hey, the Catholic church is aware of what extremes people will go to to not have to confront their overts....so why not the CoS? "Indulgences" indeed.

Its all one big "mutual non-confront multi-level marketing scheme". Preying on innocent people to prop up their unsustainable life styles.

 

[OHTEEATE]

the best indicator

Look at Herb Zerdens indicators in the video, when they nail him putting gasoline into his $70,000 Mercedes. He does the worst TR-0 ever, voice lowered, obviously guilty of Something, and then refusing to communicate. Back to the 2 million dollar waterfront, gated mansion. Poor guy hasn't been involved for over a year! Off investing in some other crooked, out exchange companies, no doubt.

 

[Lulu Belle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCdgzOur7Pk if you know Herb Zerden, John Woodruff, or Adolfo Quintero, this may interest you. John Woodruff was ED Orange County and for a while LA Day. They were involved with a Foreclosure avoidance company , and it was shut down and 13 million in assets frozen by a judge. Too typical these days, an ethically and morally bankrupt company run by money hungry Scientologists, creating wreakage, and making flaps. Sad to see these guys go off the rails so far. I know John and Adolfo well.

Wow. I had no idea John Woodruf was involved with this company. I remember hearing a couple of years ago he was involved with some sort of a telemarketing company.

Did this forclosure avoidance company try to get prospects with telemarketing?

 

[OHTEEATE]

phone rooms

Lulu, Yes, telemarketing. Before that, it was natural gas reselling. There are a whole bunch of telemarketing driven Scientologist owned businesses. I had one in 1983-85 called AmericanSun Solar. Some of the guys from that later went to auto insurance incoming phone calls from 800 number ads, then long distance telemarketing, and lately natural gas reselling, and this phony mortgage protection scheme. The product disappears and the almighty buck becomes everything. They produce less and less , and get more and more out exchange. Finally, criminal. Phone rooms are for people who do not like to get their hands dirty. I loathe them. My last project as a superintendent before joining the Sea Org in 2005, was building one of the largest phone rooms in Clearwater. 65 phone stations, plus supervision. Yeech! The building and parking lot covered half a city block.

 

[RamsBlue]

It's probably not just an odd coincidence, but have you noticed that alot of scn'ist are drawn to "get rich quick" schemes, MLM programs, pyramid type business et al?

I know my parents were in and out of these sort of things nearly my whole life and an easy majority of scn'sts I know are similiarly involved in these sort of things. I wonder if the premise of making alot of money with minimal effort stems from the same thing attracts people to scn in the first place - the promise of an easy way "to get rich quick - spiritually".

 

[Div6]

It's probably not just an odd coincidence, but have you noticed that alot of scn'ist are drawn to "get rich quick" schemes, MLM programs, pyramid type business et al?

I know my parents were in and out of these sort of things nearly my whole life and an easy majority of scn'sts I know are similiarly involved in these sort of things. I wonder if the premise of making alot of money with minimal effort stems from the same thing attracts people to scn in the first place - the promise of an easy way "to get rich quick - spiritually".

THAT is a very good question.

When doing research on "goals" and "gpm's" he made a comment along the lines of "no wonder people are so eager to erase their goal". This was referring to the earlier observation that a person's goal (manifested as their Ser Fac this life time) actually derived from an implant, and had not been decided upon by the individual at all. And THAT then led into such PL's as "Handling the Public Inidividual" ("never ask a public to decide or choose") etc.

So the "winning valence" effect seems to take over, in the absence of a decent, self generated purpose....

 

[Tanstaafl]

It's probably not just an odd coincidence, but have you noticed that alot of scn'ist are drawn to "get rich quick" schemes, MLM programs, pyramid type business et al?

I know my parents were in and out of these sort of things nearly my whole life and an easy majority of scn'sts I know are similiarly involved in these sort of things. I wonder if the premise of making alot of money with minimal effort stems from the same thing attracts people to scn in the first place - the promise of an easy way "to get rich quick - spiritually".

Ironically, if Scn really took off on a massive scale, and if people could make a lot more money in salaried positions they wouldn't get up The Bridge that much quicker because intensives are (supposedly) priced as a proportion of the national average annual wage.

 

[Mick Wenlock]

It's probably not just an odd coincidence, but have you noticed that alot of scn'ist are drawn to "get rich quick" schemes, MLM programs, pyramid type business et al?

I know my parents were in and out of these sort of things nearly my whole life and an easy majority of scn'sts I know are similiarly involved in these sort of things. I wonder if the premise of making alot of money with minimal effort stems from the same thing attracts people to scn in the first place - the promise of an easy way "to get rich quick - spiritually".

I think you are partly right.

Scientologists indulge in "magical thinking" - for most "pcs" (IMHO) they believe that they can postulate anything and it will happen. They also believe that if they get enough auditing and just try hard enough - it will really really work this time. It never does which is why they keep on going.

There is no Scientologist that I have ever met who would think it strange if someone came up to them and told them it was possible to make money without doing anything. Thats what Scientologists EXPECT to happen.

That's what makes them such easy marks. If you look at the long long list of scams and exploits done on Scientologists - both by the Church and by other Scientologists, it's just ludicrous.

 

[Takin Time]

Herb Serden...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCdgzOur7Pk if you know Herb Zerden, John Woodruff, or Adolfo Quintero, this may interest you. John Woodruff was ED Orange County and for a while LA Day. They were involved with a Foreclosure avoidance company , and it was shut down and 13 million in assets frozen by a judge. Too typical these days, an ethically and morally bankrupt company run by money hungry Scientologists, creating wreakage, and making flaps. Sad to see these guys go off the rails so far. I know John and Adolfo well.

My old notes show him to be on OTVII, SHSBC grad. In Scientology since 1972.

Keep going, Herb, you're great PR for the Church of Scientology and their products.



Here's a pic of his house:

Not your usual CofS parishioner digs. Over 6,000 square feet on over 1.5 acres, WATERFRONT with dock. He's probably one of those parishioners who donate a lot of money... (hrmph... that they steal from others)... can you spell S-L-A-T-K-I-N?

If you haven't watched the video, do so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCdgzOur7Pk

 

[The Oracle]

Herb Serden...

My old notes show him to be on OTVII, SHSBC grad. In Scientology since 1972.

Keep going, Herb, you're great PR for the Church of Scientology and their products.



Here's a pic of his house:

Not your usual CofS parishioner digs. Over 6,000 square feet on over 1.5 acres, WATERFRONT with dock. He's probably one of those parishioners who donate a lot of money... (hrmph... that they steal from others)... can you spell S-L-A-T-K-I-N?

If you haven't watched the video, do so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCdgzOur7Pk

I'm ready to move in.

T.I.

 

[The Oracle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCdgzOur7Pk if you know Herb Zerden, John Woodruff, or Adolfo Quintero, this may interest you. John Woodruff was ED Orange County and for a while LA Day. They were involved with a Foreclosure avoidance company , and it was shut down and 13 million in assets frozen by a judge. Too typical these days, an ethically and morally bankrupt company run by money hungry Scientologists, creating wreakage, and making flaps. Sad to see these guys go off the rails so far. I know John and Adolfo well.

This so wrong. I can barely believe it. Do you think someone in the company just dropped the ball on service or do you think it was a deliberate scam? For all the millions they made and spent they must have been delivering some service to some people right?

 

[OHTEEATE]

T.I.

We (wife and I) had this conversation last night. I told her, that at the very least, if you do not put in QUAL with a vengeance, when you have employees who get paid on commission only, there needs to be a SALARIED employeee doing customer service, with a strong moral sense, who would never lie or cheat anyone out of a dime. Someone who will fight to get a refund where no product was achieved for the client, and in a timely manner so that the foreclosure can be averted. Unfortunately, the scam put on by the banks with these sub prime mortgages has caught up with us, and a huge wave of failures is coming through. The govt. is actually forcing banks to convert to 30 year fixed, but it is too late for many who are over extended.
I used to be the customer service manager in a company that sold long distance over the phone to various publics. Keeping sales people on track isn't easy. It requires constant vigilance, constant willingness to fight back, wait a minute, that sounds familiar....The job nearly drove me crazy. I had to go do a mindless job for awhile to recover.
I hear you regarding being ready to move in to Herbs house. Poor guy. Never feel sorry for a guy with a mansion. Or a plane. ( I have a plane).

 

[Lulu Belle]

My last project as a superintendent before joining the Sea Org in 2005, was building one of the largest phone rooms in Clearwater. 65 phone stations, plus supervision. Yeech! The building and parking lot covered half a city block.

Was that Data Processing Services on US 19?

I always wondered if Scientologists owned and ran that company. It would be such a typical Scn operation.

Do you know?

 

[Takin Time]

Was that Data Processing Services on US 19? I always wondered if Scientologists owned and ran that company. It would be such a typical Scn operation. Do you know?

Lulu Belle:
You can do a google search of "foreclosure assistance solutions zerden" and find a LOT of websites devoted to disclosure of FAS's shenanigans. Many of those websites also disclose Zerden's former business "ventures". Very easy to find out.

 

[Lulu Belle]

Correction:

The name of the business I was thinking of was Special Data Processing.

Anyone know if it's Scientologist owned?

 

[The Oracle]

We (wife and I) had this conversation last night. I told her, that at the very least, if you do not put in QUAL with a vengeance, when you have employees who get paid on commission only, there needs to be a SALARIED employeee doing customer service, with a strong moral sense, who would never lie or cheat anyone out of a dime. Someone who will fight to get a refund where no product was achieved for the client, and in a timely manner so that the foreclosure can be averted. Unfortunately, the scam put on by the banks with these sub prime mortgages has caught up with us, and a huge wave of failures is coming through. The govt. is actually forcing banks to convert to 30 year fixed, but it is too late for many who are over extended.
I used to be the customer service manager in a company that sold long distance over the phone to various publics. Keeping sales people on track isn't easy. It requires constant vigilance, constant willingness to fight back, wait a minute, that sounds familiar....The job nearly drove me crazy. I had to go do a mindless job for awhile to recover.
I hear you regarding being ready to move in to Herbs house. Poor guy. Never feel sorry for a guy with a mansion. Or a plane. ( I have a plane).

You're right about staying on top of the staff, service staff as well. Although it is unreal to me someone would pay someone else 1,500 to sort out their mortgage instead of going directly to the bank. Herb has some issues, I can tell by the lack of landscaping on the yard. It looks like he bought the place and just plopped those chairs by the pool . No plants, flowers, shrub. It looks very sterile, like a resort rental. Hey Herb, can you get someone over there to fix up that yard? I would recommend large, very large planters around the pool with palms planted in them. I'd add some color too with tropical plants. How about a covered outdoor barbeque area to add some warmth? Some awnings on those windows would really wake the place up. Let's get a fountain in there somewhere too, something with a waterfall.

 

[OHTEEATE]

lulu

The place I remodeled was on Cleveland, and used to be a water company, and is near Lady Mary and is a huge place, most of a city block, and they do natural gas reselling on the phone. They have an entire seperate company in the back which does nothing but verify the sales done by the company in front! The owner drives a very hot BMW and lives in a mansion in Bellaire. His product? resold natural gas. BFD. Nothing was created, nothing really changed but a repackaging of an idea.
The place I worked in customer service was in Santa Fe Springs, Ca. in about 1991-96. Long Distance Services, Inc. and most of the owners lost all their cookies in Slatkins rip off. I was an employee and only lost my sanity temporarily.
These out exchange deals bend space and time, and ideas of productivity get bent badly out of shape. They allow people like Slatkin to romp around scamming people.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Foreclosure assistance? Oh good god, I hate people like that.

We deal with them where I work.(not necessarily that same company) Liars and scammers.

A note to the wise:

Never ever believe anyone who says he can get you out of having to pay your mortgage or deed of trust loan. You can't even ditch them in bankruptcy.

 

[thetanic]

John Woodruff was ED Orange County and for a while LA Day. They were involved with a Foreclosure avoidance company , and it was shut down and 13 million in assets frozen by a judge. Too typical these days, an ethically and morally bankrupt company run by money hungry Scientologists, creating wreakage, and making flaps. Sad to see these guys go off the rails so far. I know John and Adolfo well.

This breaks my heart. The Woodruff that I knew might have bent some rules, but I just can't imagine him deliberately breaking them on this order of magnitude.