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AnonKat

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Ken Urquhart

For whatever its worth, I don't mind at all if Markus and Anon Kat air out their disagreements on this thread. For a long period, we paid no attention to the theme of the thread. Only when Face showed up did the thread return to its roots. Markus shows enough of a tie in to the Apollo 1973 to use this thread to air his grievances. Of course, as we all know, none of us, except Emma, can make a decision where one can post and can not post. We have the largest audience so why not post it here, as Carmelo said and Ted says in his signature.

Also for FoTi, I am going to take your advice and start a new thread with that post and see what happens. I tried it once with the Celebrity Centre Story of Origin. After I posted it here, Janice Grady, Yvonne's daughter, suggested I post it as a separate thread. It flopped, only 88 views since last Christmas. There were 82 when the thread was new and only 6 since January and 3 or 4 of those were just me checking in.

I guess I'll call the thread, A Thumbnail sketch of LRH and just do a Copy / Paste of that post and see what happens. I know I am going to be bashed pretty badly by the Freezone people while the LRH haters will bash me for not going far enough because I feel that some of the early tech works.

I do not think the thread will go very far. I'll guess 950 views and 48 replies. For the most part not many will agree with my analysis and some will joke and degrade me personally and a lot of 4 letter words will be used when commenting on the OP.
Lakey

In that Case

Interview with Ken Urquhart,
Mclean, Virginia, Apr/May 86

Ken Urquhart was a young musician when he joined Scientology - not an unusual background - and soon moved up into the "OT élite", L. Ron Hubbard's Sea Org. His loyalty and discretion were rewarded by a promotion to the impressive-sounding post of "LRH Personal Communicator" - effectively, Ron's eyes and ears aboard the Sea Org's fleet of three ships. Over the next few years he was in closer contact with Hubbard than almost anybody else - he claims to have devised the infamous Rehabilitation Project Force, though Hubbard soon established this as a punishment régime - and saw some most peculiar things. Fortunately for posterity, he was interviewed in 1986 by the British writer and journalist Russell Miller for the unauthorised biography of L. Ron Hubbard, Bare-Faced Messiah. The following is the transcript of that interview.



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I was born in 1938 in Wales, my family was Scottish. My father had been very active in a theosophical society in South Wales. A friend of my father wrote to me to say he had paid for me to take a Dianetic course over a weekend in London. I was studying music at Trinity College.

I was very impressed and thought what they were doing was very, very valuable. I thought the cobwebs had been swept out of my mind. I gave up my studies and started working for church in '64.

I first saw LRH at a meeting across from the London org at 37 Fitzroy St, at Mahatma Ghandi Hall on the corner of Fitzroy Square. He was giving a talk. I was outside when he arrived and was tremendously impressed. I was surprised at the intensity of his beingness. He was walking up the steps with Mary Sue, smiled very cordially, and said Hello. But he left an impression of overwhelming power. He was wearing a brown felt hat and a brown raincoat. He spoke on the subject of Help. I was still under his spell. It was crowded. with a very strong outflow from him. Later on I perceived that as you approached his body you entered his space, you were very much aware of being in his space, the space around his body that was his. This was in '59 or '60. He gave a couple more lectures at the Empire Hall further down Tottenham Court Rd.

By the early '60s I was auditing and visiting Saint Hill at weekends. I was still dabbling in music. I wasn't making enough to make ends meet so I would take jobs waiting at the table in restaurants. In '64 I was told the butler [at Saint Hill] had been fired, he had been caught stealing a camera, and he [Ron] asked me if I would help out. I would have done anything I could for Ron. I went down to St Hill, was interviewed by Ron's secretary, Irene Thrupp, then was introduced to Ron for the first time and was accepted. I arrived a week or two later and found myself having to cook as well because they didn't have a cook for a week. Eventually I was responsible for everything to do with the house.

He and Mary Sue worked mostly into the night, they'd go to bed very late, in the early hours of the morning. They would get up in the early afternoon. He would call down to the kitchen, I would be there. We had cooks come and go so generally speaking I was on my own. I cooked breakfast for the childrem at 8 and lunch at 12.30 and some time in the afternoon cook his breakfast and serve it At 5.30 a meal for the children in the afternoon, at 6.30 cook dinner for him and Mary Sue.

First I took up a cup of hot chocolate. He would be sitting at the table end of his 4-poster bed, in his bedroom on the first floor corner. It had a deep green carpet, russet curtains, white shutters. The bedspread was russet. He would drink chocolate and chat to me about anything - the latest news, the weather, his childhood, the latest goings on at Saint Hill, who was upsetting him, who was doing what wrong now, past lives, research. He was researching what eventually became the clearing course. The research was done like this. He put himself on the meter and looked how the reactive bank was made up on that level. He had theories, he would test them out and find what he was looking for. He was looking into his mind. He took it on himself to look within himself to find out how the reactive bank was made up so he could tell people what to do with their reactive bank.

He was working quite intensely. Once I interrupted him in his research room on the top floor above the bedroom. He normally did it before he called down for breakfast. He sat by himself with an E-meter.

Childhood: he talked about his mother, he said she was a very fine woman - educated - she had educated him. He talked about when she was in hospital, desperately ill; he got there just in time to tell her that what she should do was just leave the body, go down to the maternity ward and get another. He talked once about being at university where he had been to parties run by [inaudible] who were very much in control of what young people were doing. He always put out an image of being rather upper class, which he would betray now and again. For example, he tried to speak French with the most dreadful accent. He had little expressions he liked to use, like "volte face" but instead saying "volt feece" for some reason. "That was a very good bun mut" ("bon mot"). You couldn't laugh or say anything.

After drinking his chocolate he would have a bath, still chatting. At some time I'd extricate myself, rush downstairs and cook breakfast. Mary Sue had a separate bedroom but normally had her breakfast with him. They would have scrambled eggs, sausages, mushrooms and tomatoes.

After breakfast he would come down to his office, a beautiful office, at the front in the corner and start work. I would very rarely see him again until dinner time at 6.30, when I would have to have the table laid. The children ate at 5.30 with their nanny in a little dining room near the back door. The children lived in the
wing, formerly the servants' quarters. Each had a bedroom there.

At 6.25 I'd walk into his office with a jacket for him to wear to the table. After the children had bathed they would all sit together in the sitting room and watch TV for an hour or so. Then he and Mary Sue would return to work in separate offices. They drank coke with dinner, both smoked Kools. He had his Kools imported from the US - they had a particular tip he liked and he couldn't get in Great Britain. They spent most of their time working - there was very little socialising.

In '65 he was ill with very bad bronchitis and the doctor told him to lose weight and he went on a strict diet to the end of '65.

Mary Sue could be both very sweet and loving and quite cold. The first time I had contact with her was on my first Sunday, in the afternoon. I was about to prepare dinner and she came into kitchen and said not a word to me. I thought it was very strange. I never really knew where I stood with her. Once she yelled at me (on the ship) when Quentin was in some kind of trouble - he had been disciplined and Mary Sue thought I had something to do with it. She was fiercely protective of her children and really got mad.

In the early days at Saint Hill they seemed quite close. Sometimes when I went up I'd see her flitting back to her room in her nightie. She was in awe of him at times and there were other times when they had a little spat. The children were very nice. Arthur had problems because he was the youngest and the others were not too interested in playing with him. They had a lady tutor but after while went to school - the boys went to Fonthill across the road and the girls went - Diana was heavily into ballet lessons - at Evelyn Genet school.

One time in Dec '65 he was to make a clearing course film to explain what it was all about. He asked me to make sure the barber came in the early afternoon. By lunchtime I had forgotten it. I was looking for the chauffeur to go into town to get the barber. But I couldn't find the chauffeur. The old man rang down and asked where the barber was. I said I couldn't find the chauffeur and he got furious. He raised his voice. By the evening after the film was done he apologised for raising his voice.

Bronchitis. He had researched himself into grappling with some part of the reactive mind that was too much for him. He was brave enough to look at it, that was how he got bronchitis, that's how I rationalised it. He told me he'd had this trouble before and it was to do with auditing. Up to the summer of '65 there were about 30 people working at Saint Hill. In 1965 he devised the power processes and decided they would only be delivered at Saint Hill and had to build up the org to get people into Saint Hill and deliver the processes.

Up to mid-65, Saint Hill had had its ups and downs. I gathered from him that while he was doing his most intensive research in 63/64 he had other people running Saint Hill and it had gone into the red. In '65, when he started selling the power processes, he got a lot more money. He CS-ed [case supervised] my power processes. At the end of the day my folder was sent up to him. I was paid £12 a week plus room and board.

I was rushing around all day long and I loved it. He was very appreciative and that made a huge difference. I was sweeping floors, making beds, but I would not have done it for anybody else. I told him I got tired of making beds and he said fine and made me the "LRH Communicator" for Saint Hill. My main duty was to get compliance with what he ordered and advise him of situations needing his attention. I was the channel of communication between him and the org.

Dec 65 this was. I was on it 6-8 weeks. In Feb/Mar 66 he went to Rhodesia. Then I took over LRH Communications Worldwide until mid '66 when I was taken off. When he was away from Saint Hill his comm were given strict orders not to tell anyone he was away - he thought that if other orgs knew he was away then they would slack off, so we had to cover up, pretend he was still there. At this particular time, the first clear was produced, John McMaster, and others came. Each time a telegram was sent to him in Rhodesia and he would send a message back to me in code sending a Secretarial Executive Directive of congratulations. He sent the text in cable English so I re-wrote it. He found out I was altering his messages and had me removed.

At Saint Hill people were shocked that he had been kicked out. We all had to go to the airport to cheer his return. We went in coaches - one, possibly two. He came through Customs into the arrival hall and we all cheered like mad. We followed him out and he sat on the back of a yellow Pontiac coupe. He sat on the back and waved.

I was made director of communications, a much more junior post. One division of the org would create a tremendous amount of work for another division and each had to check on the other. He wrote a memo on how to care for cut flowers, how to polish his car; he used to publish such things frequently.

There were so many policies you could always find one to beat someone over the head.

On Boxing Day 66 I was made director of income for Saint Hill. Our statistics did very well, income was increasing steadily. I think it was £8-10,000 a week. We never had any proper bookkeeping, never any profit or loss statement. Money was banked and LRH kept his finger on the money in the bank accounts. He had weekly statistics and reports of gross income and bills paid. He kept track of all the money, in and out. I was on that for 3 months when he made another shake-up on his lines and in March '67 I was back on LRH Comm Saint Hill.

Within a few days of return from Rhodesia he came into the qualifications division, spotted me, walked over and shook my hand warmly and was very, very pleasant. That was not usual. He talked to other people, including the qualifications secretary who was suffering from cancer and told her there was nothing she should worry about because there was nothing that could be done and not to expect miracles.

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I thought he had superhuman qualities although a lot happened that made me realise he was human. When I was his household officer I pointed out to him that people working at the manor left the back door open. As you come in the back door, close by was a staircase leading to the children's quarters. I was on the top floor and he was right at the front of the house. I was worried about it because the back door was open through the night and I told him I didn't think it was a good idea. He was very upset about it and told no of other people it was not nice I should have such a thought. because I put out the idea that the children would get harmed - it was a negative thought saying a bad thing might happen. because I had postulated such a thing once, it could be said you were likely to make it happen. About a week later he was talking about the back door and said it should be locked, because the children were so close. He was giving me back my origination as if it was his. It showed me he had a human side as well. Another time I had worked on holiday, Mary Sue told me to put in for extra wages but somehow I had got paid for a day extra which I forgot about and the next time the subject came up when I had to work another day off Mary Sue told me to put in for extra wages and so I told her I owed her a day's work. He gave me a sharp look and said thank you for getting off the withhold - Scientology for making a clean breast of things.

Scientology-speak was used all the time.

He was extremely critical of other people behind their backs. Most of us thought he was very unusual, a very great person working on a way to really help the world, and that excused him a tremendous amount.

Rhodesia. He inferred that the problem was he knew what to do about blacks in Rhodesia and they trusted him and he became very popular with them and the Government kicked him out because of that, they could not tolerate that. I also heard him say to Mary Sue that in Rhodesia he lost £200,000 through his lost investment.

THE SEA ORG. My first recollection was some activity to train people in seamanship. Some went down to the lake in little rubber dinghies and rowed about. It didn't make a lot of sense to me. He was in Spain while this was going on - in '67, after he got back from Rhodesia.

Early in 1965 he spent about 3 months in Spain. Early in 1966 he went to Rhodesia. Early in 1967 he was in Spain. Mary Sue stayed at Saint Hill - this was by March '67.

We bought the Avon River in Hull and she was fitted out and ferried out to Las Palmas in '67. Through '67, a number of staff at Saint Hill who had volunteered to join were taken away and no one knew where. In the summer of '67 he sent down a long memo to Saint Hill requiring the Church to buy Saint Hill Manor and his name. We had to send him £75,000 and out of that money he bought the Royal Scotsman. That began the build-up of the Sea Org.

He mocked it up [envisaged it] as an org superior and separate from the rest of the org. I thought he had created an undesirable schism. He always wanted one org to supervise another.

In '65 he started writing up his hat [job] and was very preoccupied with who should succeed him and ensure that the org continued in the way he wanted it to continue. Out of that arose research for power processing. The Sea Org was an effort to create a body that would take over from him. It had to be at sea because Scientology was unpopular in England, it was getting very bad PR and his permit to reside in the UK was revoked. When his permit was revoked he immediately considered it possible that Scientology would be asked to leave also. He was very worried about the unit administering the clearing course and he was working on how to save the clearing course unit. He thought he could put them all at sea in safety.

The first time he introduced [ethics] conditions was in early '65 - danger, emergency and normal. I got assigned emergency because I served him salmon that was not quite fresh. I was quite shocked. I had to go through a formula, write it up and submit it with an application for an upgrade.

Rag-wearing was initiated in the Sea Org and was initiated at Saint Hill in late '67. After emergency and danger, there were new ones under it: non-existence, liability, doubt, enemy, treason and confusion.

In July '68 I was made HCO Exec Sec WW. Anyone assigned a condition of treason has the right to ask for a committee of evidence. The penalty was to do 72 hours of labour without ceasing - he thought there were tremendous benefits.

"Green on white" was mimeo policy letters - very important statements of policy which had to be followed to the letter. "Red on white" were technical bulletins on how to run various processes; "blue on white" were direct commands from LRH.

In the lower conditions you were not allowed to go home, you had to stay on the property.

I arrived at the ship [Royal Scotman/Apollo] in Corfu in November '68. She was not very clean, had a black painted hull and a white superstructure, but was not in a bad condition. In March '68 I saw her in Valencia when I went out to do the 0T3 levels. The regime was strange. Almost as soon as I got on board I had to make up packs of documents that were sent to various authorities around the world to prove that WFMH [World Federation of Mental Health] and the NAMH [National Association of Mental Health] were a lot of crooks. I spent two days doing that. Then I did deck work, scrubbing the decks and cleaning the ballast tanks at the bottom of the ship. They had to be cement washed to hold fresh water.

The food was horrible. Then in filthy dungarees I was called into the office of Diana Hubbard and told I had to do a special project for her - indexing policy letters. When I was working on this project I was on deck immediately below his office and just by the stairs from Deck A up to the Promenade deck. His office was directly facing the stairs and the glass door was usually open and at least once a day he would be roaring - lose his temper so much he would be bellowing with rage. This was unusual for me - I had never seen him like that before. I had seen him shake with anger at Saint Hill but he contained it; on the ship he did not bother to contain it. He was becoming an autocrat.

Then I was made LRH Comm Apollo. One of my responsibilities was the engine room - if ever there was a strange noise, the old man always wanted to know what it was. Then I was Commodores Staff 7 (CS7). In February '69 he and Mary Sue and the personal staff spent a month ashore at Agadir in a hotel and during that time he envisaged another org, his personal office and made me his personal communicator in charge of the personal office. From March '69 he went back on the ship and from then until August '78 I was his personal communicator.

When I arrived I had to live in a dorm, smelly and badly ventilated. The crew ate in the aft lounge and collected food from the galley. Sometimes they ate in the sun on the aft poop deck.

Relations with the people of Corfu? The ordinary people, chandlers, suppliers and visitors were all very cordial. With officials in the city and the harbour officials, it was not so. We were kicked out. We were given 24 hours to get out by the harbour master.

When I arrived they were throwing people overboard. It was a regular routine. It was a ceremony. The crew would be mustered on the after well deck in morning to begin the day's work. Anyone to be thrown overboard would be called to the front and chaplain would be called to make some incantation about water washing away sins, and you would be picked up and tossed over. Two elderly people were thrown over and an old lady who could not swim had to put on a life jacket. It started with auditors being sent to ship for the class 8 course - two from every org - and if they goofed they were thrown over. We all had a tremendous belief that what he was doing would benefit the world. He was the leader, knew best and was mostly right. It was important he should do work well. He was also very good at scare tactics - he would say because the world is so insane it's more than likely to blow itself up with nuclear bombs. It's almost certain to do so unless we act first. He pushed that very, very hard. Another tactic was unless we do somethng about it the world is going to go into some kind of economic disaster - we have to make sure it doesn't. In '79 or '80 he issued a bulletin to do with the purification rundown and it started off saying that World War III is just around the corner.

From Corfu, we went to Cagliari in Sicily. We needed fuel and LRH decided that someone should go ashore to get fuel. When you arrived in the port you had to get health and customs clearance. We sat in the bay anchored and on LRH's orders a number of us, including me, got into a boat and went to a refinery to order oil. We got no oil and someone from the agent's office found we were on shore and raced out to where we were and sent us back to the ship. Next day we were cleared into port and got our oil. In those days there was a tremendous desire to meet the challenge and make it go right. If you were told to do something you had to make it go right. He wanted to go to Melila [a Spanish enclave in Morocco] but they wouldn't let us go in. We saw two Russian submarines making straight for Melila and he decided Melila didn't want us to know they had Russian subs and, and that's why they wouldn't let us in. So we went to Tangiers, then Sufi and Agadir and Dakar and Cape Verde.

First we went ashore in Agadir in February '69 for a month. The ship had to go to Lisbon for a refit in a dry dock. We stayed in a Moroccan hotel with an open courtyard and rooms off. There was one lav in the corner, just a hole in the ground. He had a villa somewhere else, so he wasn't in the hotel.

We were at sea and moving around so we would not be caught up with by journalists or governments or the WFMH or MAMH. He felt all these people were after him. Felt that if they found him they would cause him such trouble he would be unable to continue his work and Scientology would not get into the world and therefore there would be a nuclear holocaust and if not, financial and economic chaos.

In February '69 I became his personal communicator.

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There was not a great deal of socialising. But he would frequently step out of his office and would say hello, stop and talk. He would frequently take walks along the promenade deck. Whenever he stopped a crowd would quickly surround him, people joining in. His working pattern was the same - he worked late into the night. When we had no set schedule, when we were not terribly sure where we were going next, he would collect everything together and send someone out to send mail and collect the incoming mail.

The destination would have to be somewhere we could collect mail, it had to be somewhere friendly. After 1970, we had to be careful of the amount of oil we used. We devised a system of triangular port [visits], then we would move to another triangle.

The hot pants and halter tops came in 73/4 after his year away from the ship.

There were periods when he didn't want any traffic during the day, he didn't want to be disturbed by anything. So if I sent in something it would cause an upset. Then it would change without warning and he'd send a messenger out asking for his traffic. One of the things I was supposed to do was weed out anything incomplete. Sometimes I would get something with info he had to have but it contained a problem. I didn't know what to do. I was always waiting for an explosion, although he very rarely lost his temper with me. There was a lot of tension, always the very real possibility that somebody would make such a mistake that would cause a flap that he would have to handle. Someone might upset the harbour master, someone might start a rumour on shore by saying the wrong thing in answer to a question. Someone might let slip something about Scientology, someone might ruin one of the generators. Some shit was always going to hit the fan every day, you could count on it and it would produce roars and hustle and bustle. I didn't like that. He could always find something to make a fuss about.

His uniform was a white or blue silk shirt and blue pants, black boots and gold lanyard. He usually wore a cravat, he had done for years. He had a naval officer's hat with a badge and lots of scrambled egg.

At Madeira he went ashore for a while. He went ashore at Curacao for a while. At Tangiers he went ashore for a few months, in early '72, but had to skip because he was going to be extradited. He had taken some people ashore and was trying to teach the Moroccan security police how to use an E-meter so they could catch traitors. I saw him doing that and saw who he sent out to put on the training team. I didn't see how it could possibly succeed, you can't monkey around with the secret police. He was looking for the possibility of looking for some country to welcome him, to keep him secure. He thought if he could get into favour with the secret police he would have the favour of King Hassan. It blew up in everybody's face. He was trying to teach the police how to find out if somebody had a crime using the -meter. It's not difficult to do if you know how to operate the E-meter, you can establish whether that person has done something wrong, what and when. I think the police being trained in the classroom were all right, but other people in the government found out and were terrified that their little things would be found out. It was done under the aegis of OTC or the American Institution of Human Engineering and Development. Scientology was never mentioned. I thought he was justified in doing what he was doing. He was doing very important work and I knew reports could bother him and governments were against him.

The messengers would vie with each other to perform little services. They had statistics like everyone else and would think of all the things to do that would get him to be pleased with them. So they were working busily on how they could serve him.

After his motorcycle accident he sat in his room in great pain. Bellows were coming out and messengers were the only ones allowed in. The messengers had to wash and feed him. This was in '73, early in the year. He was bellowing with pain and frustration, he kept finding out people were making mistakes. Messengers were running around all the time - they were happy to give him bad news. He sent Jill Goodman round to all the top executives saying the Commodore says that his officers are not making enough. She delivered the message to Mary Sue who promptly boxed her ears.

They were not encouraged to be promiscuous, Mary Sue wouldn't have it. She chased one guy off the ship with a knife because he'd messed around with one of the messengers in Morocco. It was very weird, they were not educated. He began to have less confidence in me after his return from the States and took the messengers from out of my control. He went through the usual thing - "I can't trust them, you help me." He gave them a lot more power.

You had to treat the messengers as though they were the Commodore.

NY trip. He had to leave Morocco, but couldn't stay in Europe because of the Paris case where he was charged with criminal offences and he was going to be extradited at time it blew up. I got a message on ship that I and John Bragon had to go to a hotel in Lisbon. He was there and said, "You have to get me out of here at once." That day we got him on a flight to New York. We booked him through to Chicago so people would think he was going to Chicago but he got off in NY.

He couldn't go back to the ship because it was in Lisbon doing another refit in dry dock. He could have been arrested on the ship because it was in port and couldn't put to sea. He was in a fix. He had flown from Morocco to Lisbon and then sent a message for me. In the hotel he was fairly relaxed and gave us a little lecture about safe spaces, a little briefing. He wasn't panicked. He left that day. He left in September '72 and came back in September '73.

Savage ethics were in during the earlier years, 67/8. It was less savage later.

You could be thrown overboard, put in a chain locker - either by yourself or with other people. I was told the people in chain locker were a fed from bucket of slops lowered down. I can easily imagine it.

The RPF [Rehabilitation Project Force] came into existence while he was in his cabin after the accident. A guy called Gary Watson, who was the port captain, sent in some kind of programme of action to the Commodore and the Commodore set up a unit to take care of rebellious people or those not fitting in. I set up the RPF but it became very much different from what I envisaged - which was a place where you could be removed from the stress and strains of bureaucracy, with some physical work every day to take their attention off themselves and in the other half of day they could audit each other on problems they had.

After the accident people were asking themselves why he was making such a fuss. Indeed, why was he in pain? The justification was again he was doing such an important job. He was going round a curve on a hill on his motorcycle. He got himself back to the ship and walked on board. He was very strong physically. He once told me on the ship that he had just pulled his own tooth.

I didn't always believe him, he wasn't infallible, had lapses of memory and there were times he couldn't be taken seriously. Not long after I became CS7 he found out they were hosing down the upper decks with fresh water and he thought that was terrible. He made us use sea water to wash down the wooden decks. Six months later he discovers they are using sea water and thinks it's insane. He blows up and says, why aren't you using fresh water? Something had happened to the electrical circuits because of corrosion from the sea water.

Now and again he would take over the supervising of case folders of people who were being auditied on the ship, either because he was doing some research and what to see exactly what was happening with what he had ordered to be done, or because he had found out there were some errors and people were not being handed correctly. Very often he'd be doing this after midnight and he'd call me in and chat away while he was going through the folders.

At Saint Hill he often talked about his track [past lives]. One he talked about more than once was the fact that on various planets he had hidden away treasure or was owed back pay. He talked about that more than once at Saint Hill and in '67 or '68 he had the Mission Into Time and what he was looking for was caches of stored treasure he had left behind. Now he has left money in trust with various people which he is going to come back and pick up in another lifetime.

I cannot accept the fact that he and other have lived before, many lifetimes, but part of his motivation is to come back and pick up his money. He definitely had tremendous abilities and skills in what he was doing, in this area of mental and spiritual abilities, very definitely superior.

I am convinced he believed it himself. I think he believed it was true, but one can make up things and believe they were true.



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The time was the 1960's, a golden era for singer-songwriters in Southern California. Singer-songwriters Tim Buckley, Jackson Browne, and Steve Noonan were crowned "the ones to watch" by insiders, as the 60's folk music scene unfolded. Steve became a hit songwriter when "Buy For Me the Rain" hit pay dirt for "The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band". Four decades later, Steve has continued to hone his craft as a master songwriter and story teller, and has just released his latest record, "Bringin' It Back Home".

Everything on Steve Noonan's "Bringin It Back Home" is good. An intimate, seasoned voice, supported by flawless guitar playing, on true and honest songs.
-Xroads

A singer-songwriter of the old school, who, with his skillfully played acoustic guitar, tells stories like Woody Guthrie, Phil Ochs, Tim Hardin or Bob Dylan.
-Rocktimes
THE BAND
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEVE POSTELL: (guitar, train conductor) Jennifer Warnes, John Oates, PPL
TARIQH AKONI: (guitar, tall dude) Christina Aguilera, Stevie Wonder, Huey Lewis
MARK GORMAN: (bass, rasta) Donna DeLory, Krishna Das
PETER ADAMS: (keys, mad professor) Tears For Fears, Justin Currie, Michael Penn
CRAIG MACINTYRE: (drums, groovemeister) Josh Groban, Colbie Caillat
RAMON YSLAS: (percussion, dude off the stage) Christina Aguilera, Stevie Wonder





Quick Links...

www.stevepostell.com
www.myspace.com/maryardencollins
www.stevenoonan.com
www.genghiscohen.com
 
Dog evolves from scaredy-cat to surfing star

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do78ChNI22A&feature=related


Animal Friends: Dog evolves from scaredy-cat to surfing star

By Linda Goldston
[email protected]
Posted: 07/23/2010 12:00:00 AM PDT
Updated: 07/24/2010 10:51:30 AM PDT

The Australian Kelpie mix wasn't a dream dog when Michael Uy adopted her from Humane Society Silicon Valley two years ago.

She was afraid of men, shadows, squirrels and loud noises, and she refused to walk in front of a doorway if the room was dark.

Uy patiently worked with Abbie to overcome those fears.

Today, 4-year-old Abbie is not only fearless — she's become a surfing star. Known as "Outback Abbie" in the canine competitive surfing world and along the beaches in San Diego, where Uy and Abbie now live, she is a natural on a board.

She has also since learned how to paraglide, snowboard and herd and will be a featured guest at Humane Society Silicon Valley's second annual Summer
Music & Wine Festival on Aug. 1. Abbie will be available to sign "pawgraphs" from 1 to 3 p.m., part of the promotion for her small role as a surfer girl in the new movie "Marmaduke."

"We kind of bonded over sports," her proud owner said. "Abbie is a superstar."

It all started when Uy noticed a sign about a dog surfing contest at the beach one day. "I thought that's just another stupid Southern California thing," he said. "But a kid had a surfboard, and I put her on it."

Uy thought Abbie would jump right off, but she settled in, figured out how to balance when she stood up and the rest is told in some very cute videos on YouTube. Just type in "Abbie surf dog" and you'll see her in her life jacket surfing away. If she wipes out, she jumps right back on.

Abbie has won more medals in surfing contests in the United States than any other dog, including a first in the recent Loews Coronado Bay Resort Surf Dog Competition in San Diego.

"I didn't teach her anything," Uy said. "I'm just learning how to surf so I can keep up with my dog."

Abbie started on a long board and now has five of her own.

"Now that she's in bigger waves, she needs faster" or shorter boards, Uy said.

When she started, Abbie quickly figured out that by moving forward, she can make the board move faster; by moving backward, she can stop the board. Uy places her on the wave.

Uy hopes Abbie's success can help educate people about the untapped potential of many rescue and shelter dogs.

"I want them to see that rescue dogs are just as good as any other dog," he said. Some would say they're better than purebred dogs, but it's the idea of building trust he wants to get across — that and the need for daily exercise for dogs, no matter what it is.

"It's all about having fun," he said. "If you never walk your dog, your dog has all kinds of problems. If you go one step further than a walk, do more athletic things, the dog will really blossom."

He's working on a training method he calls "trust, not training."

"You can only get a dog to do so much through obedience training," he said. "To enjoy these sports together, you have to establish trust with your dog. Communicate clearly, be emphatic, try to understand how your partner feels.
"I want to teach people how to take a good dog and make an amazing dog."
If you'd like to know more about "Outback Abbie," she has her own website at www.abbiesurfs.com.

You can find out more about Humane Society Silicon Valley's Summer Music & Wine Festival at www.hssv.org. The event will run 1-6 p.m. Aug. 1 at the shelter's Animal Community Center, 901 Ames Ave., Milpitas. The event is free to the public and will include live music from the Joe Sharino Band. For $20, you can become an "HSSV Patron for the Day" and enjoy wine and beer tasting, finger foods and Humane Society Silicon Valley discounts.

There's no surf, but say hello to Abbie.

Contact Linda Goldston at 408-920-5862.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Chewin' my nails

Here is a post I made today on lakey's El Ron Thumbnail Sketch thread. I thought I'd re-post it here as much of the opinion is from one of the Reader's Digest Intallments I've been working on for this thread. My ack to Lakey is for his original "Thumb Nail" post and the post I ack from Panda follows in red.

One thing that has always interested me about Hubbard is how he managed to appear to be whatever people thought he was.

He was many things to many people. Apparently, he still is.

I think he reflected as much as he projected.



This is a nice piece of work, Lakey.:yes:

An excellent observation, Panda.:thumbsup:

El Ron did not have “faith” or believe much in Hisself’s own “Tech”, especially from ’66 or so forward. During that era, El Ron decreed that:

Big League Sales was the Senior Tech over ARCU, Tone Scale, TWC, BDH, ect., ect..

PTS/SP Victim/Witch Hunt was the Senior Tech over Gr O-IV & 5 % 5A.

Intell and Attack was Senior Tech over the fundamental essays and principles of Scn.

On and on and on the examples are rife.

The majority of the “Tech” that was released after “66 or so was El Ron’s attempting to “hotwire” the existing “Tech” to handle various “Case Phenomena” that Hisself deemed as impediments or problems of others to Hisself, in poorly defined or generalized categories pertaining to Hisself and Hisself’s hidden goals, needs, wants, desires, compulsions, etc. I see most of the “Tech” from this period as a spiritual/metaphysical placebo at best, and the inculcating of spiritual/metaphysical “parasites” at worst.

I have covered some of my take on the period up to ’66 and forward on the Apollo ’73 thread. Up until ’66 El Ron was in the “thick” of things, so to speak, and via ACC’s, Congresses, SHSBC, etc. and a steady and substantial stream of correspondence from the field, Hisself was literally being “spoon fed” “White Scientology” by legions of bright, dedicated and decent folks. With KSW, Sea Org, Apollo, SO #1 line, Ethics, etc. El Ron cut Hisself off from the “pool” of creativity, common sense and potentials. Left to Hisself’s own isolated devices and faculties El Ron did as Hisself always did—El Ron winged it and “Free Wheeled’, “Soloed” and “C/Sed” Hisself off into oblivion.

By de facto, this hotwiring manifested as “short circuits” that have “fried” many a person, probably fried El Ron in the end and will, ultimately, fricassee the practice of institutionalized Scn.

During the ’50 to ’66 and the ’67 to ’86 era’s there were periods of time that one of El Ron’s sons, ultimate insiders, were among the top “Tech Terminals on the Planet”. I got “in” after Nibs was gone, but I knew of him and a little bit about him from the materials and “old timers"…Quentin I knew, personally. Thanks to Bent Corydon and Dennis Erlich we have insight into Nibs’ and Q’s views regarding El Ron and the “Tech”. These are great and important contributions to the body of knowledge and I, personally, wish thank both Bent and Dennis for their courage in making this information available. I knew both Dennis and Bent…not well…but enough to be confident that they are both smart and decent straight shooters. Q was a very bright kid and, as he matured, he more and more spoke his mind and had an insightful, accurate and sometimes cutting wit to him which endeared him to most, save his father. There is much to be gleaned and learned from story of Nibs and Q.

Having said all that, from my experience in personal service to El Ron, there is no doubt that he was exceptionally bright, driven and possessed a number of talents in the “gifted” range. Unfortunately, El Ron never lived by, nor conducted Hisself’s affairs accordant with, the cobbled and collaborative “philosophy” that poured forth via Hisself’s fingers and mouth. Following “The Rules” was for Us, the Homo Saps. The story of El Ron during the two eras I have delineated is one of increasing loathing, isolation, individuation not only of and from Us but from Humanity itself. Had El Ron actually sought to follow the basic principles that all of Us were trying to live with and by the Story of Scientology would be one of a bona fide—albeit somewhat “out there” and quirky—New Age Religion, instead of a heartless and manipulative greed-based demonic cult.

El Ron, in actuality, was a walking, talking and writing parasitic spiritual/metaphysical placebo…Mystic’s “Tulpa”, if you will.:coolwink::confused2:

Face:)
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Here is a post I made today on lakey's El Ron Thumbnail Sketch thread. I thought I'd re-post it here as much of the opinion is from one of the Reader's Digest Intallments I've been working on for this thread. My ack to Lakey is for his original "Thumb Nail" post and the post I ack from Panda follows in red.

One thing that has always interested me about Hubbard is how he managed to appear to be whatever people thought he was.

He was many things to many people. Apparently, he still is.

I think he reflected as much as he projected.



This is a nice piece of work, Lakey.:yes:

An excellent observation, Panda.:thumbsup:

El Ron did not have “faith” or believe much in Hisself’s own “Tech”, especially from ’66 or so forward. During that era, El Ron decreed that:

Big League Sales was the Senior Tech over ARCU, Tone Scale, TWC, BDH, ect., ect..

PTS/SP Victim/Witch Hunt was the Senior Tech over Gr O-IV & 5 % 5A.

Intell and Attack was Senior Tech over the fundamental essays and principles of Scn.

On and on and on the examples are rife.

The majority of the “Tech” that was released after “66 or so was El Ron’s attempting to “hotwire” the existing “Tech” to handle various “Case Phenomena” that Hisself deemed as impediments or problems of others to Hisself, in poorly defined or generalized categories pertaining to Hisself and Hisself’s hidden goals, needs, wants, desires, compulsions, etc. I see most of the “Tech” from this period as a spiritual/metaphysical placebo at best, and the inculcating of spiritual/metaphysical “parasites” at worst.

I have covered some of my take on the period up to ’66 and forward on the Apollo ’73 thread. Up until ’66 El Ron was in the “thick” of things, so to speak, and via ACC’s, Congresses, SHSBC, etc. and a steady and substantial stream of correspondence from the field, Hisself was literally being “spoon fed” “White Scientology” by legions of bright, dedicated and decent folks. With KSW, Sea Org, Apollo, SO #1 line, Ethics, etc. El Ron cut Hisself off from the “pool” of creativity, common sense and potentials. Left to Hisself’s own isolated devices and faculties El Ron did as Hisself always did—El Ron winged it and “Free Wheeled’, “Soloed” and “C/Sed” Hisself off into oblivion.

By de facto, this hotwiring manifested as “short circuits” that have “fried” many a person, probably fried El Ron in the end and will, ultimately, fricassee the practice of institutionalized Scn.

During the ’50 to ’66 and the ’67 to ’86 era’s there were periods of time that one of El Ron’s sons, ultimate insiders, were among the top “Tech Terminals on the Planet”. I got “in” after Nibs was gone, but I knew of him and a little bit about him from the materials and “old timers"…Quentin I knew, personally. Thanks to Bent Corydon and Dennis Erlich we have insight into Nibs’ and Q’s views regarding El Ron and the “Tech”. These are great and important contributions to the body of knowledge and I, personally, wish thank both Bent and Dennis for their courage in making this information available. I knew both Dennis and Bent…not well…but enough to be confident that they are both smart and decent straight shooters. Q was a very bright kid and, as he matured, he more and more spoke his mind and had an insightful, accurate and sometimes cutting wit to him which endeared him to most, save his father. There is much to be gleaned and learned from story of Nibs and Q.

Having said all that, from my experience in personal service to El Ron, there is no doubt that he was exceptionally bright, driven and possessed a number of talents in the “gifted” range. Unfortunately, El Ron never lived by, nor conducted Hisself’s affairs accordant with, the cobbled and collaborative “philosophy” that poured forth via Hisself’s fingers and mouth. Following “The Rules” was for Us, the Homo Saps. The story of El Ron during the two eras I have delineated is one of increasing loathing, isolation, individuation not only of and from Us but from Humanity itself. Had El Ron actually sought to follow the basic principles that all of Us were trying to live with and by the Story of Scientology would be one of a bona fide—albeit somewhat “out there” and quirky—New Age Religion, instead of a heartless and manipulative greed-based demonic cult.

El Ron, in actuality, was a walking, talking and writing parasitic spiritual/metaphysical placebo…Mystic’s “Tulpa”, if you will.:coolwink::confused2:

Face:)


Oh, very good writing! Excellent!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Up until ’66 El Ron was in the “thick” of things, so to speak, and via ACC’s, Congresses, SHSBC, etc. and a steady and substantial stream of correspondence from the field, Hisself was literally being “spoon fed” “White Scientology” by legions of bright, dedicated and decent folks. With KSW, Sea Org, Apollo, SO #1 line, Ethics, etc. El Ron cut Hisself off from the “pool” of creativity, common sense and potentials. Left to Hisself’s own isolated devices and faculties El Ron did as Hisself always did—El Ron winged it and “Free Wheeled’, “Soloed” and “C/Sed” Hisself off into oblivion.

Smart thinking, Batman. :)

Paul
 

RogerB

Crusader
Yes Face . . . . :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I think you summed it up, nicely, succinctly and with a certain flair that is unmistakably yours and which makes the pithy points more accurately than any mere scholarly work attempt.

Basically, we're in accord that LRH was often a bit of a twit with as many holes in him and his "logic" as a piece of Swiss cheese . . . and often about as smelly!

:D:D

R
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
The Dalai Lama Says...

Dalai Lama: "Sometimes harsh words or physical intervention may be called for. Patience safeguards our inner composure: We are in a stronger position to judge an appropriately non-violent response than if we are overwhelmed by negative thoughts and emotions. It is the opposite of cowardice, which arises when confidence is lost as a result of fear. Being patient means we remain firm even if we are afraid."

Compare that to L. Rum Tubbard's use of the GO/OSA and management by stats with the Thursday before 2:00 weekly cutoff. There was a man that was afraid to be afraid. He was afraid to absorb a loss.
 

freet43

Patron with Honors
Ken Urquhart...

Interesting - just found this thread with an interview with Ken.

Ken is writing a book that should be fascinating, as he was likely the closest person to LRH during the years he was LRH pers comm.

If anyone would like to meet Ken, he will be in Deer Lake WA on the weekend of Sept 10-12.

I'm sure we'll hear lots more stories....

If you'd like more info, just pm me for details.

Marina
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Thank you so much for this info!

Interesting - just found this thread with an interview with Ken.

Ken is writing a book that should be fascinating, as he was likely the closest person to LRH during the years he was LRH pers comm.

If anyone would like to meet Ken, he will be in Deer Lake WA on the weekend of Sept 10-12.

I'm sure we'll hear lots more stories....

If you'd like more info, just pm me for details.

Marina

Thank you very much for this information. It would be worth going to the event just to meet Ken.
Lakey
 
Well Done at having Freedom to LOOK!

We here on this thread have done our best to dissect Hubbard and see what he was all about. I started my search in the fall of 2005, believing at that time that Hubbard was a saint and that DM had ruined the C of S. I wandered into the Freezone and then onto ESMB with that mind set and felt pretty much all exes felt the same. What an awakening ESMB has been!

Markus, I an very sensitive as regards your situation and what happened to your Brother. I believe all who post here are sympathetic to you and support the actions you are taking.

In the last 3 or 4 months, at least for me, and I would appreciate the comments and input of others, there has been an accelleration in our understanding of Hubbard here on the Apollo 1973 thread.

A THUMBNAIL RECAP OF L. RON HUBBARD
He was basically very human and was a "louse", primarily Def. 4 below, built on similarities to definition 1.

louse (lo̵us; for v., also lo̵uz)

noun pl. lice

1.
a.any of an order (Anoplura) of small, flat, wingless insects with sucking mouthparts, parasitic on the skin or hair of humans and some other mammals; esp., the human body louse (Pediculus humanus corporis) and head louse (P. h. capitis)
b.any of various arthropods that suck blood or juice from other animals or plants
4.Slang a person regarded as mean, contemptible, etc

His main motivations, pure and simple, were a desire to be rich, a desire for power over other people and a desire to be idolized and to stamp his name into history and be adored by others.

The man was nobody's fool. He was very bright, well read, and he had tremendous charisma and good Ethics Presence. He was well versed and skilled in several areas. To really see his true characteristics, an examination of his 3 marriages, 3 wives and 7 children pretty much cuts through all the PR and reveals a lot about his priorities and what he believed was important. As can be seen from those 10 people, family, for one thing, was unimportant to him.

He decided to start a religion to become rich and famous. To form his religion, he was able to sort through vast bodies of data and cull out the most useful and worthwhile facts in this enormous sea of data. He was able to select out many of the key principles of existence, sort them as to orders of importance, reformat and repackage them in Western terms and make them palatable for Western consumption.

PEOPLE HAVING WINS EARLY ON - He must have realized that to hook religious followers he would have to offer materials at a low cost, loss leaders or introductory samples so to speak, which were affordable to people both in terms of money and time spent at study. This, due to his brialliance, he was able to do and he spread his message through his talent and connections from being a good writer of popular fiction, especially science fiction. We do not fully know where he got his data, which data was developed by him personally and which came from other sources. It is clear that most came from other sources but he took credit for developing everything which he packaged. Book One kicked off his movement. People had more gains than he expected and Book One penetrated much more deeply into Society than he expected.

UNEXPECTEDLY, BRILLIANT AND CREATIVE PEOPLE JOINED HIS MOVEMENT, PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANTED TO HELP MANKIND!

Here is the crux of the Hubbard riddle! Dedicated people began to join Hubbard and actually began to develop technologies which helped people and made a stab at a "total know" and were designed to better society and better mankind. HUBBARD DECIDED TO GO ALONG FOR THE RIDE AND LET THESE PEOPLE CREATE.

The contributions of these others plus Hubbard's initial efforts to provide some "loss leaders" at low prices to entice people into the fold solve the riddle or dichotomy of Scientology and Hubbard. How can something developed to control people and suck out their talents and money also have a good side to it? Becauese of the 2 items stated above!

Hubbard had a dilemma to deal with. He wanted fame, power and money from his efforts; fame, power and money for just himself and no one else. HE DID NOT WANT ANYONE ELSE TO SHARE THE LIMELIGHT WITH HIM and reap any benefits from HIS creation, his CHURCH! This applied to all the brilliant people, rank and file people and his family members as well. There was to be only one MESSIAH in this new religion of his and he was it. Timing became critical, these brilliant people within his organization were developing technology which worked. HE DID NOT WANT TO KILL THE GOOSE THAT LAID THE GOLDEN EGGS! These people all had to be gotten rid of and he knew that from the start. The question was only how long to let them create and develop tech for him. A solution arose, every creator and contributor on his lines was allowed to contribute as long as they remained a background figure. If they began to build up a name for themselves and develop a following of admirers that is the point he chose to get rid of them. He developed a simple method of getting rid of any potential rivals within his group and that was to falsely accuse them of crimes against him and then "Dead Agent" them. This aspect of his organization was not sophisticated and is very easy to see through.

Thus went some of the early luminaries, Volney Mathison Jack Horner, Otto Roos, Johnny Mac, Ray Kemp, Alan Walter. After the creation of the secretive OT Levels, the secrecy was enough to keep rivals from emerging, for a while, but ultimately he got rid of luminaties such as Yvonne Jentzsch and Ken Urquhart and then his greatest asset of all, since Johnny Mac, and that was David Mayo.

As the luminaries began to be kicked out, Hubbard played a greater role in the release of the upper levels and that is probably why they are controversial and do not yield the results which are claimed for them. When the sanest technical voice, a voice of integrity, Mayo, was Dead Agented, the technology took a real dump and nothing worthwhile in the area of tech has come out of C of S since that time. The upper bridge tech was drastically watered down, eliminating Power, Grade 6, and the Clearing Course. Then OT Levels IV through VII were dropped and replaced with NOTs. I believe the idea was to get everyone onto NOTs, a level which could be run year in and year out endlessly. OT VIII was already out but was not delivering anywhere near what was promised so it was reworked a bit. OT Levels 9 through 15 and Super Power were promoted as carrots on the end of a stick, so as to keep the flock looking ahead and paying towards the ultimate levels which would finally deliver the goods originally promised in Book One.

KSW #1 may be totally a 180 degree reverse vector. Perhaps the truth is an exact reversal of what KSW #1 states. Others developed the workable portions of the tech, LRH brought out thousands of items of tech as well but of his contributions perhpas only 20 had permanent value and of those 20, non were fundamental or basic. THE WORKABLE PORTIONS OF THE TECH, THE THINGS PEOPLE SWEAR BY AND STILL USE WERE ALL DEVELOPED IN THE 1950'S and EARLY 1960's BY OTHERS AND WERE ONLY PACKAGED AND MARKETED BY LRH.

This synopsis completes my thumbnail analysis of LRH, a project I began 5 years ago to try and understand who the man was and what he was all about.
Lakey

WOW!!! LAKEY!!! :clap: :thumbsup: :happydance:
 
The man is dead?

What a complete nonsense. Who do you think is controlling my father who is causing his crazy behaviour towards me and my sister today and who was causing it in the last 30 years? DM who is several thousand miles away? You are so far away from seeing what the real problem is with Scientology. Too many people are getting distracted from the real problem by Marty and his followers. And Marty is not helping people out - he is keeping them in the trap is leading them from one golden mind controll cage to another.
Scientology is like a hard drug which is attacking the mind and the soul of the infected person. You should read the following articles in full lenght to understand what I mean.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=19232

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=19028



In my opinion Scientology clearly is causing a severe form of behavioral addiction.

From Wikipedia:

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&sourc...jQhZYD&usg=AFQjCNH0p_D78Z9WkcFZqNQBOhMdpbU3yQ

Behavioral addiction
The term addiction is also sometimes applied to compulsions that are not substance-related, such as problem gambling and computer addiction. In these kinds of common usages, the term addiction is used to describe a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, despite harmful consequences, as deemed by the user himself to his individual health, mental state, or social life.


The applicability of the word "addiction" to these conditions is controversial, and there is not a universal consensus as to the most appropriate phrase used to describe these conditions as a class. Commonly used phrases include behavioral addiction[1][2] and "non-substance-related addiction".[3][4]

"Behavioral addictions" is included as a new class in DSM-5, but the only category included is gambling addiction. Internet addiction and sex addiction are included in the appendix.[

Please read and think about it AnonKat.

Best
Markus

Very well said, Markus...I hope it will help others to Look as well. :yes: Especially all the lurkers!
 
Thank You for telling the TRUTH!

Here is a post I made today on lakey's El Ron Thumbnail Sketch thread. I thought I'd re-post it here as much of the opinion is from one of the Reader's Digest Intallments I've been working on for this thread. My ack to Lakey is for his original "Thumb Nail" post and the post I ack from Panda follows in red.

One thing that has always interested me about Hubbard is how he managed to appear to be whatever people thought he was.

He was many things to many people. Apparently, he still is.

I think he reflected as much as he projected.



This is a nice piece of work, Lakey.:yes:

An excellent observation, Panda.:thumbsup:

El Ron did not have “faith” or believe much in Hisself’s own “Tech”, especially from ’66 or so forward. During that era, El Ron decreed that:

Big League Sales was the Senior Tech over ARCU, Tone Scale, TWC, BDH, ect., ect..

PTS/SP Victim/Witch Hunt was the Senior Tech over Gr O-IV & 5 % 5A.

Intell and Attack was Senior Tech over the fundamental essays and principles of Scn.


On and on and on the examples are rife.

The majority of the “Tech” that was released after “66 or so was El Ron’s attempting to “hotwire” the existing “Tech” to handle various “Case Phenomena” that Hisself deemed as impediments or problems of others to Hisself, in poorly defined or generalized categories pertaining to Hisself and Hisself’s hidden goals, needs, wants, desires, compulsions, etc. I see most of the “Tech” from this period as a spiritual/metaphysical placebo at best, and the inculcating of spiritual/metaphysical “parasites” at worst.

I have covered some of my take on the period up to ’66 and forward on the Apollo ’73 thread. Up until ’66 El Ron was in the “thick” of things, so to speak, and via ACC’s, Congresses, SHSBC, etc. and a steady and substantial stream of correspondence from the field, Hisself was literally being “spoon fed” “White Scientology” by legions of bright, dedicated and decent folks. With KSW, Sea Org, Apollo, SO #1 line, Ethics, etc. El Ron cut Hisself off from the “pool” of creativity, common sense and potentials. Left to Hisself’s own isolated devices and faculties El Ron did as Hisself always did—El Ron winged it and “Free Wheeled’, “Soloed” and “C/Sed” Hisself off into oblivion.

By de facto, this hotwiring manifested as “short circuits” that have “fried” many a person, probably fried El Ron in the end and will, ultimately, fricassee the practice of institutionalized Scn.

During the ’50 to ’66 and the ’67 to ’86 era’s there were periods of time that one of El Ron’s sons, ultimate insiders, were among the top “Tech Terminals on the Planet”. I got “in” after Nibs was gone, but I knew of him and a little bit about him from the materials and “old timers"…Quentin I knew, personally. Thanks to Bent Corydon and Dennis Erlich we have insight into Nibs’ and Q’s views regarding El Ron and the “Tech”. These are great and important contributions to the body of knowledge and I, personally, wish thank both Bent and Dennis for their courage in making this information available. I knew both Dennis and Bent…not well…but enough to be confident that they are both smart and decent straight shooters. Q was a very bright kid and, as he matured, he more and more spoke his mind and had an insightful, accurate and sometimes cutting wit to him which endeared him to most, save his father. There is much to be gleaned and learned from story of Nibs and Q.

Having said all that, from my experience in personal service to El Ron, there is no doubt that he was exceptionally bright, driven and possessed a number of talents in the “gifted” range. Unfortunately, El Ron never lived by, nor conducted Hisself’s affairs accordant with, the cobbled and collaborative “philosophy” that poured forth via Hisself’s fingers and mouth. Following “The Rules” was for Us, the Homo Saps. The story of El Ron during the two eras I have delineated is one of increasing loathing, isolation, individuation not only of and from Us but from Humanity itself. Had El Ron actually sought to follow the basic principles that all of Us were trying to live with and by the Story of Scientology would be one of a bona fide—albeit somewhat “out there” and quirky—New Age Religion, instead of a heartless and manipulative greed-based demonic cult.

El Ron, in actuality, was a walking, talking and writing parasitic spiritual/metaphysical placebo…Mystic’s “Tulpa”, if you will.:coolwink::confused2:

Face:)

Thank you for writing this, Facey...this is just BRILLIANT, Sweetheart! :happydance:

So glad you had a good vacation! :yes:
 
Wowie!

Stat discussions are not very popular here. Nevertheless, the major milestone which we just passed demands acknowledgement. We passed 100,000 views tonight. I remember Dec 3, 2009, two days before my birthday when we passed 10,000. Carmelo, then using a Ruthie Madoff Avatar sent me a congratulatory message as did Sweetness and Light.

Here we are, only 7 1/2 months later, passing 100,000! So, Carmelo, we did it - How about a "high 5" partner.:happydance::happydance:

Lately, I lay in bed at night thinking about the team of incredible beings who are posting regularly on this thread. So many great minds and great beingnesses. We have done something different in threads. I see us as a "think tank". Be it Philosophy, Religiion, Mental and Spiritual Technologies, Theories of how the Universe Started, Rock music, Classical Music, Travelogs, Nostalgia, the San Francisco area, Australia and New Zealand, Germany, England, Latin Culture, Classic Automobiles,we do it all and we are "World Class"at every thing we do.

I started out trying to reconnect with old friends, maybe make a new friend or two in the L.A. area and wanted to reach 10,000 views. What has happened is just so much more than what I put out there to achieve and therein lies an example of where Hubbard spoke the truth in his maxim, "OT's work best with other OT's" When I apply this truism now, I do not restrict this to Grade Chart OT's. All the regulars who post here are OT's in my book.

It has to do with having an ability to look deep within yourself and spot truths and then take the time to voice your truths and wisdom to others and anyone who is successfully doing this is an OT to me and we work well with others of the same persuassion and when quite of few of us get together, such as on the Apollo '73 thread, we generate Power
, an enormous amount of Power and in fact our thread as measured by statistics is also in Power and no one could kill it, even with a stick. It just seems to grow now as if it has a life of its own and perhaps it does.
Lakey

Hey guys, we're hundredthousandaires! :happydance:

Congrats to us all, to everyone who posts, and also to the lowly lurkers, who just read!!! Mazel Tov! May it do everyone some good! Very well done, everyone! :happydance:

Congrats Lakey and Carmelo, and all of my Buds and Calabash family members here on the Aboard the Apollo thread!

Here's to 100,000 more!!! Keep the good vibes flowing, everybody! :yes:
 
Here is a post I made today on lakey's El Ron Thumbnail Sketch thread. I thought I'd re-post it here as much of the opinion is from one of the Reader's Digest Intallments I've been working on for this thread. My ack to Lakey is for his original "Thumb Nail" post and the post I ack from Panda follows in red.

One thing that has always interested me about Hubbard is how he managed to appear to be whatever people thought he was.

He was many things to many people. Apparently, he still is.

I think he reflected as much as he projected.



This is a nice piece of work, Lakey.:yes:

An excellent observation, Panda.:thumbsup:

El Ron did not have “faith” or believe much in Hisself’s own “Tech”, especially from ’66 or so forward. During that era, El Ron decreed that:

Big League Sales was the Senior Tech over ARCU, Tone Scale, TWC, BDH, ect., ect..

PTS/SP Victim/Witch Hunt was the Senior Tech over Gr O-IV & 5 % 5A.

Intell and Attack was Senior Tech over the fundamental essays and principles of Scn.

On and on and on the examples are rife.

The majority of the “Tech” that was released after “66 or so was El Ron’s attempting to “hotwire” the existing “Tech” to handle various “Case Phenomena” that Hisself deemed as impediments or problems of others to Hisself, in poorly defined or generalized categories pertaining to Hisself and Hisself’s hidden goals, needs, wants, desires, compulsions, etc. I see most of the “Tech” from this period as a spiritual/metaphysical placebo at best, and the inculcating of spiritual/metaphysical “parasites” at worst.

I have covered some of my take on the period up to ’66 and forward on the Apollo ’73 thread. Up until ’66 El Ron was in the “thick” of things, so to speak, and via ACC’s, Congresses, SHSBC, etc. and a steady and substantial stream of correspondence from the field, Hisself was literally being “spoon fed” “White Scientology” by legions of bright, dedicated and decent folks. With KSW, Sea Org, Apollo, SO #1 line, Ethics, etc. El Ron cut Hisself off from the “pool” of creativity, common sense and potentials. Left to Hisself’s own isolated devices and faculties El Ron did as Hisself always did—El Ron winged it and “Free Wheeled’, “Soloed” and “C/Sed” Hisself off into oblivion.

By de facto, this hotwiring manifested as “short circuits” that have “fried” many a person, probably fried El Ron in the end and will, ultimately, fricassee the practice of institutionalized Scn.

During the ’50 to ’66 and the ’67 to ’86 era’s there were periods of time that one of El Ron’s sons, ultimate insiders, were among the top “Tech Terminals on the Planet”. I got “in” after Nibs was gone, but I knew of him and a little bit about him from the materials and “old timers"…Quentin I knew, personally. Thanks to Bent Corydon and Dennis Erlich we have insight into Nibs’ and Q’s views regarding El Ron and the “Tech”. These are great and important contributions to the body of knowledge and I, personally, wish thank both Bent and Dennis for their courage in making this information available. I knew both Dennis and Bent…not well…but enough to be confident that they are both smart and decent straight shooters. Q was a very bright kid and, as he matured, he more and more spoke his mind and had an insightful, accurate and sometimes cutting wit to him which endeared him to most, save his father. There is much to be gleaned and learned from story of Nibs and Q.

Having said all that, from my experience in personal service to El Ron, there is no doubt that he was exceptionally bright, driven and possessed a number of talents in the “gifted” range. Unfortunately, El Ron never lived by, nor conducted Hisself’s affairs accordant with, the cobbled and collaborative “philosophy” that poured forth via Hisself’s fingers and mouth. Following “The Rules” was for Us, the Homo Saps. The story of El Ron during the two eras I have delineated is one of increasing loathing, isolation, individuation not only of and from Us but from Humanity itself. Had El Ron actually sought to follow the basic principles that all of Us were trying to live with and by the Story of Scientology would be one of a bona fide—albeit somewhat “out there” and quirky—New Age Religion, instead of a heartless and manipulative greed-based demonic cult.

El Ron, in actuality, was a walking, talking and writing parasitic spiritual/metaphysical placebo…Mystic’s “Tulpa”, if you will.:coolwink::confused2:

Face:)

You are the definitive LRH analyst bar none.
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Its strange when one starts a new thread,,,,,,

You are the definitive LRH analyst bar none.

Yes, Face is tops, but then he has the advantage of having worked close with Hisself for many years. Leon also made an excellent post summarizing LRH on one of our two affiliated websites. Those two affiliated websites are Obituary hosted by Roger B. and A Thumbnail Sketch of LRH hosted by yours truly.

A lot of our posting has moved onto those threads but that is okay. As FoTi and others have said, this thread is so big that if a post comes out which you like, a couple of days later, it is hard to find it anymore. I am trying hard to introduce actual discussion down there instead of bashing and put downs and to date have had noticeable success doing that.
Lakey
 
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