Originally Posted by Pepin
You assume as if you were there and know him.
I apologize for that, Pepin. I didn't intend to come across that way and did not realize how seriously addicted he had become. I only thought the metaphor you had used comparing RPGs to life was brilliant and useful.
I appreciate the admiration, Thank you.
Honestly, I know extremely few people personally who have lost sight of their spiritual nature or inner goodness. Maybe it is because I find little commonality with that sort of person. Would those persons even be attracted to any sort of activity in spiritual improvement in the first place, or does it take a shocking miracle in their lives to wake them up? What do you think?
If people were fully aware of their spiritual nature, they would not ever think of themselves as a spirit in a body.
Being exterior to the body would not even be fully spiritually aware.
Being so aware that one can see their thoughts and feelings create life in an instant is closer, but we are much much more than that.
I don't think it takes a shocking miracle, I think it takes a willingness to let go of the lies we believe are true.
I have mentioned in previous posts that I know what it looks like to be awake. I am not doing it.
What would it take for me to "wake up" again?? One who knows he IS asleep to a certain extent??
No shocking miracle, no information that I'm aware of....
My willingness to tell the song of the world to "shut up" .. Yes, that would do it. But it's like being at a crowded concert hall and telling the band to shut up. They have mic's. And the fear of what the other concert goers might do is a consideration.
Good point. But I don't know anyone like that on ESMB. Perhaps there are some you don't know that deeply yet.
Anyone who posts we are bodies and looks for spiritual understanding in the physical realm would be a strong indicator. Then someone who pushes physical reality as more important than the spiritual or more real would be acting out the role of one of the jailers in the mental prison against creative thought and expression.
>Pepin: Why do you suppose so many people in the world "FEEL" that there is more to life than what meets the eye?
>If our bigger viewpoint was so clear, we would not have to "FEEL" it, we would see it and know it.
I didn't say it was always clear. Just that it is always there.
Very true!!
If it is not always "clear", then would it be fair to say that person is not awake to the whole truth of themselves?
I know what it looks like to be awake. I know that I am much much more than what this world can accept. I recall from the higher point of view that things I think are important and require much attention have little meaning from that point of view.
That in my opinion is the big waste. A waste of attention.
If someone or something demands our attention, do we feel that we are giving something?
Or sometimes giving attention when it could be used elsewhere?
Or perhaps we may consider we "don't have time" to give our attention.
Time is our most precious commodity. Being aware is perhaps the essence of life.
This moment is now gone!, never to be had again.
From that point of view, wouldn't it be wonderful to have 50% more attention to use in life?
This is what I realized the day I woke up.
I got a huge chunk of attention back that I had been putting on the body.
That attention had been wasted on a body that doesn't need it.
it was a waste of energy and in one example time also.
Everyone who wastes attention by giving it to a body is doing just that.
(profound huh!?)
Having multiple viewpoints for a moment of life mainly served to give me more knowledge of my life and hopefully wisdom.
Another view on this is - do some people get so obsessed with past lives that they spend their current life trying to pursue some old role they played?
never underestimate the desire for a human to obsess about anything ~lol
For me, visiting places like the grave of a former self or ruins of a home was a fun adventure. I also wanted to "feel" the areas and know myself more.
At those moment, like when I am in the presence of the former wife, I feel a lot of energy.
It seems in the last lifetime I got a lot done and made more use with my time than I do today with all the distractions of entertainment.
Yes!! It was a brilliant metaphor. I like talking to you.
Thank you. It is pleasure to at last converse with someone on ESMB that is as gracious as you.
I admire the way you hold your beliefs and are not threatened by other beliefs.
>In life, ...Only at Death, usually about three days afterwards, does someone finally wake up to their larger >viewpoint. What a waste.
No...I don't agree with you there. Heaps of people have had out of body experiences, including atheists (but they don't call it that), which to me is assuming your bigger viewpoint.
We are much much more than that.
Awareness of the higher viewpoint and connection as well as the fact we are connected to all other living things IS the goal, becoming it while still alive is generally not.
If that is "The Goal", would it not be better to wake up and realize we are already there?
There are perhaps a dozen or more "spiritual realms". They are layered so to speak.
We operate on many of them simultaneously.
This is interesting because spirits (US) are not in time.
Not being in time means that physical rules don't apply to the true us.
If this is our more natural state, is it a game of MEST that we as spirits adhere to physical rules??
I find some of the things Hubbard wrote as useful. One being:
It is better to have the point of view of the player rather than the one being played in "the game".
That is more real.
~p