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What is sheetrock, anyway? Is it the same thing as drywall?

yes


it is the 4X8 panels sold at Home Depot for constructing walls

from wikipedia:

Drywall or dry wall is the term used for a common method of constructing interior walls and ceilings using panels made of gypsum plaster pressed between two thick sheets of paper, then kiln dried. Many such panels are made with fiberglass instead of paper to prevent mold growth, which is common with paper that has been exposed to water due to plumbing leaks or floods. Drywall construction is used globally for the finish construction of interior walls and ceilings. Drywall construction became prevalent as a speedier alternative to using plaster based interior finish techniques, which involved forcefully spreading a substrate of coarse plaster, known as the base (made up of the scratch coat and (optional) brown coat), onto the wall's lath-work before finally applying the smoother finish coat, each layer added in succession and all by hand (see lath and plaster).[1] Drywall, by contrast to plaster, requires hand finishing only at the fasteners and joints. The drywall process requires less labor and drying time, lending its name to the panels used in the assembly.[citation needed]
Panels are also known as gypsum board, wallboard, plasterboard (USA, UK, Ireland, Australia), Gibraltar board or GIB wall and ceiling linings (in New Zealand, trademark of Winstone Wallboards[2]), rock lath,[3] Sheetrock (a trademark of USG Corporation), Gyproc (a trademark of Compagnie de Saint-Gobain), rigips, regips, or knauf (Germany and Central Europe, after the Rigips, Regips and Knauf brands, respectively), alçıpan in Turkey, placoplatre (France) and Pladur (Spain).
 
O I C! :D

Thank you very much, I learned something. My house is old enough that the walls were built the old-fashioned way, with lath and plaster. No dry wall anywhere.

Hope nobody was injured in that apartment fire!

I kind of like the words placoplatre and pladur!
 
from today's NY Times

Fed Move on Debt Signals Concern About Economy

Mary F. Calvert for The New York Times

Ben S. Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, and other officials believe that the Fed has the ability to avoid deflation.

By SEWELL CHAN
Published: August 10, 2010


WASHINGTON — Federal Reserve officials, acknowledging that their confidence in the recovery had dimmed, moved again on Tuesday to keep interest rates low and encourage economic growth. They also signaled that more aggressive measures could follow if the job market and other indicators continued to weaken.
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With short-term interest rates already close to zero, the Fed’s policy makers have relatively few tools available to encourage consumer and corporate spending. So they now plan to use the proceeds from the Fed’s huge mortgage-bond portfolio to buy long-term government debt.

That action may put downward pressure on long-term interest rates and stimulate borrowing. For consumers, it means mortgage rates are likely to remain at record lows for some time.

Though the immediate impact is likely to be modest, the decision is a turnabout from only a few months ago, when officials were discussing when and how to begin to raise interest rates and gradually shrink the $2.3 trillion balance sheet amassed through the Fed’s response to the 2008 financial crisis.

In buying at least $10 billion a month in new Treasury securities — a small fraction of the roughly $700 billion in Treasury debt the Fed holds — the central bank is trying to help keep money readily available in the financial markets.

With Congress seemingly unable to agree on substantial new stimulus spending, the Fed could face a far tougher decision later this year: whether to take more drastic steps to pump money into the economy and make credit even cheaper.

“We’re in a lousy middle between the economy picking up on its own and falling off a cliff,” said Cathy E. Minehan, a former president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston. “And that makes policy-setting really hard.”

The announcement on Tuesday, after the scheduled meeting of the Fed committee that sets interest rates and monetary policy, confirmed what had been widely discussed among economists and business leaders in recent days: the Fed would move more decisively if the economic picture darkened.

The Fed, led by Ben S. Bernanke, its chairman, has shifted away from its more optimistic outlook earlier this year. “The pace of recovery in output and employment has slowed in recent months,” said the Federal Open Market Committee. The statement added that the nation’s economic recovery was “likely to be more modest in the near term than had been anticipated.”

Yields on 10-year Treasury securities, a benchmark for home mortgages and corporate loans, tumbled to their lowest level in more than a year on Tuesday. Rates on 30-year Treasuries briefly fell below 4 percent. The yield on a 10-year Treasury note dipped to 2.765 percent from 2.83 before the announcement.

Stocks regained some of their losses from earlier in the day. At its close, the Dow Jones industrial average was down 54.5 points, or 0.51 percent, to 10,644.25.

From January 2009 to March 2010, the Fed bought $1.25 trillion in mortgage-backed securities and about $175 billion in debt owed by government agencies, primarily the housing finance entities Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The Fed had planned to allow the size of that portfolio to shrink gradually as the securities matured or the debts were prepaid.

Instead, the Fed will now reinvest those principal payments in longer-term Treasury securities. (The central bank said it would continue to roll over its holdings of other Treasury securities as they mature.)

The money involved is unclear. In March, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York estimated that at least $200 billion of the mortgage-related securities and debt would mature or be prepaid by the end of 2011.

But mortgage rates have dropped since then, giving borrowers an incentive to refinance and pay off existing mortgages, so the actual figure could be substantially larger.

By not allowing its debt holdings to decline below the level of $2.054 trillion at which they stood on Aug. 4, the Fed is preventing what economists have called the passive tightening of monetary policy. The Fed still has the option, if conditions warrant, of increasing its debt purchases.

Some analysts believe that if the economy worsens, the Fed might begin a new round of quantitative easing — the strategy of buying financial assets to increase the money supply.

In its statement, the committee said that while household spending was gradually increasing, high unemployment, modest income growth, a drop in household wealth and tight credit continued to hamper growth.

The committee said it still expected a “gradual return” to normal economic conditions, although the recovery was less robust than expected at this point.

Ethan S. Harris, an economist at Bank of America, said he was “mildly surprised” by the Fed’s action — “not that they did it but rather how quickly they decided.” He added, “My expectation had been that the Fed would take a little more time to switch gears and prep the market.”

The decision not to let the balance sheet shrink was a relatively easy one, Mr. Harris added. “To go back to big asset purchases is a much bigger step, and it would require clear signs that the economy is heading toward a double-dip recession.”

Economists who work in the markets had a mix of reactions.

Bruce McCain, the chief investment strategist at Key Private Bank, said the Fed “steered the middle ground.”

“Given the uncertainty, hopefully the middle ground calms nerves and keeps people confident enough to go ahead and spend the money that they have in productive ways,” he added.

But a former New York Fed economist, John Ryding of RDQ Economics, said the announcement suggested “a bit of a feeling of panic by the Fed.” And Joshua Shapiro, an economist at MFR Inc., said the Fed’s announcement “appears to mainly be designed to provide itself with political cover against a backdrop of a gut-wrenching economic correction that shows no sign of ending anytime soon.”

Along with additional quantitative easing, another option available to the Fed is to lower the interest rate (now 0.25 percent) it pays on the roughly $1 trillion in reserves that banks hold at the Fed.

While that action could be helpful, it carries some risk, said Christopher L. House, an economics professor at the University of Michigan.

“If they were to simultaneously lower the rate to zero while leaving $1 trillion in reserves in the banking system, they would have a lot of reason to worry about inflation,” he said.

In its announcement, the Fed also left unchanged its benchmark short-term interest rate — the federal funds rate, the rate at which banks borrow from one another overnight — at zero to 0.25 percent, its level since December 2008. And it maintained that the rate would remain “exceptionally low” for “an extended period,” the language it has been using since March 2009.

The Federal Open Market Committee’s vote on Tuesday was 9 to 1. The dissenter was Thomas M. Hoenig, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

Mr. Hoenig, who is known for his focus on inflation, the Fed’s traditional enemy, dissented for the fifth consecutive meeting, both on the extended-period language and on the decision to reinvest the mortgage-bond proceeds.

Christine Hauser contributed reporting from New York.

A version of this article appeared in print on August 11, 2010, on page A1 of the New York edition.
 

RogerB

Crusader
On the Subject of the Economy

Nice posts, these last several, CarmelO.

On the subject of the economy, I see this below. "Inflation" up "6%" in one month. This might just be the beginning of the trigger that could start a tubbling down of the house of cards.

Wal-Mart prices on the rise: JP Morgan study
CIGA Eric

While the talking heads discuss the threat of deflation ad nauseam, they conveniently ignore an ever increasing number of real world observations of currency induced cost push inflation.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc has raised average prices at its stores by about 6 percent in a month, according to a recent study in Virginia.

A check by J.P. Morgan Securities said average prices at the Wal-Mart Supercenter in Virginia were upped by 5.8 percent, the most significant sequential increase since it started the study in January 2009.

Source: finance.yahoo.com
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and this for you guys who are interested in following the reason it can get out of control . . .

DERIVATIVES REPORTED BY THE 14 MAJOR DEALERS

The 14 major derivatives dealers including Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and J.P. Morgan reported $449.2 trillion dollars in derivatives as of June 30, 2010. The data was compiled by Tri Optima, an infrastructure provider for the over the counter derivatives markets. According to Tri Optima 74 percent of these derivatives are interest rate swaps. These swaps allow bets on the direction of interest rates, and are used for hedging risk or to increase risk and potential reward. By any measure the amounts of outstanding over the counter derivatives continue to be stunningly large and continue to hold the possibility of another banking collapse if the various sponsors and their counterparties are not carefully managed, and the transactions made transparent.

As we have discussed many times in these pages over the last few years, derivatives led to the over-leverage and eventual downfall of the U.S. and European investment banks and threatened to collapse the developed world’s banking system. While the U.S. and European banking systems were melting down, the more conservatively managed banking systems of many Asian nations, Australia, Canada, and others avoided the problems.

The de-leveraging of the U.S. and European banking systems continues and will be a drag on economic growth in these regions for several years into the future.
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That "$449.2 trillion dollars in derivatives" cited is not specified as to whether it is the "at cost" value or the current "market value" of the "assets" (these assets are as contracts, like mortgage docs or corporate bonds, that "guarantee" a payout should certain circumstances occur). I make this point because this is one of the mechanisms behind how these bankers inflate the money supply in the world.

These "assets" were created out of thin air and were purchased by counter-parties with "money" :D . . . money in the form of cheques or bank transfers via the electronic money creation system.

And in case you think the risk of a crash due to derivatives losses is past, there is an article on the same page I took the above from showing the following:

Berkshire Hathaway’s Net Earnings Fall On Derivatives Loss
August 09, 2010


Despite a significant jump in second quarter operating income, Berkshire Hathaway Inc. has reported a 40% decline in net income compared with a year earlier.

Operating income climbed 73% to $3.07 billion in the second quarter that was lifted by the acquisition of Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp., which operates one of the largest railway systems in North America.

Acquiring the railroad company in February added $603 million in second quarter net earnings. Tempering gains from that acquisition was $1.41 billion in losses on derivatives.
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Note this was $1.41 billion in losses on derivatives in just that quarter alone.


RogerB
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Some added infor on plaster patching with drywall

O I C! :D

Thank you very much, I learned something. My house is old enough that the walls were built the old-fashioned way, with lath and plaster. No dry wall anywhere.

Hope nobody was injured in that apartment fire!

I kind of like the words placoplatre and pladur!

When I started with my Dad in home remodeling about January of 1974, right after leaving the Sea Org, the interior walls of homes were still done with plaster. As best as I can remember, a change over took place rather quickly. Drywall was much faster and much cheaper. For a couple of years the plastering industry put up a fight runing those ads, "Knock on the wall, make sure its genuine lath and plaster!" Shortly before 1980, plaster was history except for very high end homes or for historical type homes where a few diehards still insisted on plaster.

A plaster job is traditionally 3/4 inches thick where a standard sheet of drywall wall is only 1/2 inch thick. This led to a traditional problem at the "tie in" both on the walls but even more importantly on the ceiling. Everyone has seen those jobs with shoddy workmanship were there was an obvious dip in the ceiling at the tie in. The good companies would guarantee a straight tie in at both walls and ceiling. A Low Price contractor would cut corners and make no effort to execute a seemless tie in.

5/8" drywall was introduced but never 3/4". With the 1/2" drywall, if you want a level tie in, you need to fir out the walls and ceilings with thin wood strips called shims. You do this before nailing the drywall on. Drywall "mud" is applied over the drywall and then the final treatment is the texture coat. If you start with 5/8" drywall and apply 1/8" of drywall mud, you will build out pretty even with your plaster walls and have a nice tie in.

PATCHING PLASTER WITH DRYWALL
What does one do during a remodel if doors or windows in the older plaster portion of the house are either cut in or sealed up. It is just too expensive to bring in a plasterer to patch a sealed window or door plus it would slow the job down as much as a week so the drywall men have become very adept at patching plaster with drywall.

This consists of framing a window or door shut with wooden studs (2" x 4" usually), then cutting a piece of drywall to the correct size and nailing it over the closed opening and then "mudding" the area with drywall mud and lastly and often the most difficult thing to make perfect is to texture so as to match the plaster texture. When done by skilled drywall people you get a perfect patch. Once it is painted no one can detect any patch has been done.

A BAD PATCH JOB
We've all seen a bad patch job, often it has been done by the homeowner himself. If a window is patched poorly, you can still see the outline of the opening and know its exact size and location. It is a hideous apparition which ruins the appearance inside any home where it has been done.
Lakey
 

afaceinthecrowd

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:happydance: I love it. Makes me want to jump into the magic of my growing up with my small town bookie father, Big Johnny Raff, and my wonderful mother Beatrice (Bea Happy) Pratt Rafanello, and my Will Rogers wisdom toting Grandpa Plenny Pratt, and on and on, first as an only child with my American flier trains, erector sets, and my jobs - fixing radio's and TV's for Pop's gambling clients, cutting grass using pop's gas and lawnmower and "forgetting" to cut our grass. The Saturday afternoon cliff hanger serial movies at the Carberry theater. Pop and Sachmo playing craps in the living room with a bunch of other stogy cigar smoking Italians, and on and on. Thanks for the memories. I can hardly wait to write "The Johnny Raff Chronicles" The Early Years. love John

Now I definitely wanna hear more about this, cabeesh paisan?!:coolwink:

Face:)
 
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afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
:thankyou:Thank you for your answers to my questions.

Thank you for the love and support.

I will be posting my chronicles on my web site in the not to distant future for those of you who are interested.

From now on I will only post on the old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973 Thread, and I will boldly say whatever I want to say. If I revise something it will be because I want to boldly communicate more clearly.

:cheerleader:I have also decided to only read and respond to the replies that make me feel good. I know it’s a selfish attitude, but as I only want to feel good, I have decided to do it anyway.

I am an excellent, auditor, counselor, spiritual guide, life coach, supporter of your dreams and a good friend to have. So if any of you want my services, please E-Mail me at [email protected]

:rose:As always, I wish you all that you wish for yourself.

:flowers:Love, John

This is great, Johnny R...let 'er buck!:thumbsup:

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Nice posts, these last several, CarmelO.

On the subject of the economy, I see this below. "Inflation" up "6%" in one month. This might just be the beginning of the trigger that could start a tubbling down of the house of cards.


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and this for you guys who are interested in following the reason it can get out of control . . .


____________________________________

That "$449.2 trillion dollars in derivatives" cited is not specified as to whether it is the "at cost" value or the current "market value" of the "assets" (these assets are as contracts, like mortgage docs or corporate bonds, that "guarantee" a payout should certain circumstances occur). I make this point because this is one of the mechanisms behind how these bankers inflate the money supply in the world.

These "assets" were created out of thin air and were purchased by counter-parties with "money" :D . . . money in the form of cheques or bank transfers via the electronic money creation system.

And in case you think the risk of a crash due to derivatives losses is past, there is an article on the same page I took the above from showing the following:


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Note this was $1.41 billion in losses on derivatives in just that quarter alone.


RogerB

Roger,

back in the stone ages, when I was 14 or so, I seemed to inherently know how and where to look.

Certainly my junior high school didn't point me toward reading about past lives, oriental philosophy, William F. Buckley, Jr., Barry Goldwater, U.S. News & World Report.

At age 20, having never gone to college, no expert in my life, pointed me to buying silver (which I did). I bought it because I read Harry Browne. I sold too soon, but I made excellent money.

I moved from my parents home and I got a house to have my girl friend sleep over. That $25K house (sold to friends 30 year ago - they still have it) is now worth $800K or close. I was reading about buying property.

I no longer know how to know what to do. I don't know if buying gold and survival accessories is the right thing. I don't know if just moving to the beach is the right thing.

There are so many places to get clues. I like the NY Times and Bloomberg and the Economist.

Life was simpler forty years ago.

Underlying my ability to find the right theory for me to act on was my spiritual teammates. The chaos that we seem to be heading into, I just don't know if any of us (teammates and I) are equipped for experientially, prediction wise, so many variables. I / We am not reading the future.

Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubWVznIj_xg
 
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ensifer

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Good stuff. How the hell do you remember all the names & places? Even the address of the old CC! Nice.

I was on board the ship in '68 when it was operating out of Valencia and your description of the general tone and confusion is accurate. Things apparently didn't get any better. Thankfully I was there as public. And even us paying public felt very unwelcome.

Our paths probably intertwined at the old CC because I was field auditing in LA at exactly the time period you talk about and CCLA was my absolute favorite place to hang out. I remember the whole $20K screw-up and Yvonne being put in a condition.

I'll be back for more when you write it.

David
 
Good stuff. How the hell do you remember all the names & places? Even the address of the old CC! Nice.

I was on board the ship in '68 when it was operating out of Valencia and your description of the general tone and confusion is accurate. Things apparently didn't get any better. Thankfully I was there as public. And even us paying public felt very unwelcome.

Our paths probably intertwined at the old CC because I was field auditing in LA at exactly the time period you talk about and CCLA was my absolute favorite place to hang out. I remember the whole $20K screw-up and Yvonne being put in a condition.

I'll be back for more when you write it.

David

David Dick? Daniel's bro?
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Roger,

back in the stone ages, when I was 14 or so, I seemed to inherently know how and where to look.

Certainly my junior high school didn't point me toward reading about past lives, oriental philosophy, William F. Buckley, Jr., Barry Goldwater, U.S. News & World Report.

At age 20, having never gone to college, no expert in my life, pointed me to buying silver (which I did). I bought it because I read Harry Browne. I sold to soon, but I made excellent money.

I moved from my parents home and I got a house to have my girl friend sleep over. That $25K house (sold to friends 30 year ago - they still have it) is now worth $800K or close. I was reading about buying property.

I no longer know how to know what to do. I don't know if buying gold and survival accessories is the right thing. I don't know if just moving to the beach is the right thing.

There are so many places to get clues. I like the NY Times and Bloomberg and the Economist.

Life was simpler forty years ago.

Thoughts?



I suspect you have your answer noted in red above.

Life is still simple. It has been made complex by and for the benefit of people who have to manipulate others to get ahead. A direct look at the actualities of existence serves very well. The bundling of and sale of financial products, someone's capitalist dream, are an example of manipulation of finance and the marketplace. Were they really necessary? Only to someone trying to cut a profit out of something that had not much profit margin to begin. I mean, there's a bank, there's someone with credit and a need, they form a relationship. It lasts 10, 15, 30 years. The bank draws interest all the while. The customer benefits from the use of his property. Enter the government and other third parties. That simple relationship turns into a mess.

I have a meat and potatoes, gallon of gas mentality. It is old-fashioned and simple. When my dollar buys less, yet I do the same amount of work for that dollar, I am getting screwed.

Rather than take information input from one of the many sources, cable TV, news papers, internet, gossip, expert opinion, on and on, I would suggest some moments of silent contemplation on the ether of AllThatIs. Let the information manipulators go. Recapture your ability to be at the right place, at the right time, connecting to the right people, for the right reasons. I believe we'll all be okay.
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
More Looney Tunes from Face

Continuing on from # 9:

10. That within the Multiverse is a game that’s sorta like “Hide and Seek” played on a “Chutes and Ladders” like multi-dimensional Matrix. That the game, in and of itself, is benign but not all of the players are.

11. That the vast majority of the players are basically good (white hats) but there are a few that are basically bad (black hats).

12. That the white hat players coalesce into teams and black hat players form packs, some temporary and some much longer term.

13. That black hats or black hat packs “infiltrate” white hat teams by surreptitiously “buddying up” with white hat team players and gaining access to the white hat team.

14. That white hats feed off one another and black hats feed on others and white hats are plentiful, flavorful, tender and juicy.

15. That white hats are accepting and black hats are infecting.

16. That El Ron was a pipsqueak black hat that happened across a situation wherein he “fed” on a white hat or hats with some real serious good “juju” and high voltage “juice”.

17. That, as a result, El Ron went way up a “ladder” and wound up as the "water boy" for a pack of black hats with some real serious bad juju and high voltage juice.

18. That El Ron thought that he was “It” when, in fact, he was used as “bait” by the black hat pack to troll for white hats with juju and juice.


With that said, it’s time for my morning Thorazine. :coolwink: I think I might need a double shot today.:D

Face:)
 
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Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Another Good Summation

10. That within the Multiverse is a game that’s sorta like “Hide and Seek” played on a “Chutes and Ladders” like multi-dimensional Matrix. That the game, in and of itself, is benign but not all of the players are.

11. That the vast majority of the players are basically good (white hats) but there are a few that are basically bad (black hats).

12. That the white hat players coalesce into teams and black hat players form packs, some temporary and some much longer term.

13. That black hats or black hat packs “infiltrate” white hat teams by surreptitiously “buddying up” with white hat team players and gaining access to the white hat team.

14. That white hats feed off one another and black hats feed on others and white hats are plentiful, flavorful, tender and juicy.

15. That white hats are accepting and black hats are infecting.

16. That El Ron was a pipsqueak black hat that happened across a situation wherein he “fed” on a white hat or hats with some real serious good “juju” and high voltage “juice”.

17. That, as a result, El Ron went way up a “ladder” and wound up as the "water boy" for a pack of black hats with some real serious bad juju and high voltage juice.

18. That El Ron thought that he was “It” when, in fact, he was used as “bait” by the black hat pack to troll for white hats with juju and juice.


With that said, it’s time for my morning Thorazine. :coolwink: I think I might need a double shot today.:D

Face:)


I see you have been talking to Mystic. :happydance:

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Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Nah…Mystic got it all from me.:D

Besides, I wouldn’t talk with Mystic anyway…he’s got weird ideas.:omg:

Face:)

PS: If you believe that shit, you'll believe anything.:whistling:


I'll believe anything as long as it comes to me in a way that I can laugh it off when I am done with it. :coolwink:
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
This LRH quote was just sent to my e-mail, this ties right in with a lot of the stuff we have been talking about lately.

LRH QUOTE:
"Man's degradation always stems from his first desertion—or breakage of, really—the Code of Honor. He breaks the Code of Honor and after that he starts downhill and he gets worse and worse and worse and worse. Because his trust in himself is worse and therefore he can't trust what his own space is or his own energy is or anything else
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RON - The above piece of tech was extremely workable. Too bad you were not a Scientologist! Had you been one and followed your own tech, you would have fared much better in the final years of your life. Lakey

"So this is a completely wild picture. When you look at man's location in the MEST universe and what he has or has not been through, the picture is just incredibly wild. And you start to search through facsimiles to set this picture to rights, all you're going to find is the track of agreements which led him to finally agree to be what he is right now."

— L. Ron Hubbard


Blue Spirit, please pass this on to RON. If he is in such great case shape now, he must have applied this data somewhere in the years since he dumped the LRH identity. Tell him also that though he has cleaned up his own case and is helping you with handling yours, he needs to increase his efforts to clean up the cases of so many of us on ESMB who have been damamged by his tactics of not following the tech which he knew to be true for others but for some reason would not apply to himself.

We have currently effecively assigned him a Danger Conditioin and are bypassing him and handling our messed up cases on our own and formulating new policy to do this while assigning him a condition of Danger. At least that is what I am doing, I can't speak for anyone else. I am really looking forward to him applying an ammends and asking for permission to re-enter my group. He should also apply a blow to the enemy and that will be interesting to see when he gets around to doing it.
Lakey
 
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lkwdblds

Crusader
The memory just keeps getting better.

Good stuff. How the hell do you remember all the names & places? Even the address of the old CC! Nice.

I was on board the ship in '68 when it was operating out of Valencia and your description of the general tone and confusion is accurate. Things apparently didn't get any better. Thankfully I was there as public. And even us paying public felt very unwelcome.

Our paths probably intertwined at the old CC because I was field auditing in LA at exactly the time period you talk about and CCLA was my absolute favorite place to hang out. I remember the whole $20K screw-up and Yvonne being put in a condition.

I'll be back for more when you write it.

David

The address of the Centre is just one of those things. I was the Dir of Disbursements and mailed out all the checks. The Org did not invest in a rubber stamp so when I addressed my envelopes I always wrote out the return address in the upper left corner, 1809 W. 8th St. I do not remember the address of the staff house at 9th and Lake. I had to be in the 800 block south and it was on the West or odd numbered side of the street so it was something like 859 So. Lake St. but that may not be the exact number.

My greatest feat of memory in my life just recently occurred when Gary York began to post here. He PMed me and said he was on staff in late 1971 or early '72 and again in late 1973. He thought we might have met. The name sounded a bit familiar and then whamo, I remembered that Henry Baumgard our bookstore officer ate outside of the mess hall on the grass facing Lake St. for a time and that about 3 other guys ate with him and I was a friend of Henry's and joined his group on 3 different occasions. I remembered being introduced to Gary York while eating outside at lunch two times. I ate with him and exchanged a few words. Suddenly a picture of his face and body formed in my mind. He had a very unusual hair cut. He parted it low on one side, down just above the ear and then combed the whole thing over and it layed down on the other side. To make it work, I remembered he used Vitalis or Brylcream to get the long hair to lie flat. I wrote all this to Gary, his height around 5'8", a bit pudgy but not real obese, brown hair and the aforementioned haircut. I was 100% right on the whole thing. He posts on Facebook and I saw his picture there and except for the hair cut, he looks nearly exactly the same. Thirty nine years ago, we ate lunch together twice as part of a 5 man lunch group and that was it and I had a perfect picture available to me in my mind. Not to shabby! I also did the same thing with Rae, who has read this thread. I remembered that she arrived at CCLA about two months before I went to the Apollo. She was in Div 6 and held up the stat graphs every Thursday night at a staff meeting where all staff met to review the week's stats. Good old Rae, known as Sarah Mitchell, held the graphs with a big smile on her face. She had brown curly hair and sparkly white teeth and always wore a straight skirt just below the knee and a white blouse and she always smiled and rotated the graphs in about a 150 degree arc. She was about 5'7" and thin and sveldt. I confirmed everything with her. back in February 2009.

That information exits in my mind and age is not reducing the clarity or detail of the pictures. I don't know how it all works, what part, if any, the brain plays and so forth.

For Ensifer, I used to write FSM checks to Daniel Dick. He would often select Vicky Kant for services. The head FSM guy Bob Mithoff would always make a joke, "Write out this check, Daniel Dick selects Vicy Kunt for 2D Alignment Course."

One last comment to David, what do you mean, "when you write more". We have 464 pages of text here already. You can't be telling me you have read the whole thing and want us to write more!
Lakey
 

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This LRH quote was just sent to my e-mail, this ties right in with a lot of the stuff we have been talking about lately.

LRH QUOTE:
"Man's degradation always stems from his first desertion—or breakage of, really—the Code of Honor. He breaks the Code of Honor and after that he starts downhill and he gets worse and worse and worse and worse. Because his trust in himself is worse and therefore he can't trust what his own space is or his own energy is or anything else
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RON - The above piece of tech was extremely workable. Too bad you were not a Scientologist! Had you been one and followed your own tech, you would have fared much better in the final years of your life. Lakey

"So this is a completely wild picture. When you look at man's location in the MEST universe and what he has or has not been through, the picture is just incredibly wild. And you start to search through facsimiles to set this picture to rights, all you're going to find is the track of agreements which led him to finally agree to be what he is right now."

— L. Ron Hubbard


Blue Spirit, please pass this on to RON. If he is in such great case shape now, he must have applied this data somewhere in the years since he dumped the LRH identity. Tell him also that though he has cleaned up his own case and is helping you with handling yours, he needs to increase his efforts to clean up the cases of so many of us on ESMB who have been damamged by his tactics of not following the tech which he knew to be true for others but for some reason would not apply to himself.

We have currently effecively assigned him a Danger Conditioin and are bypassing him and handling our messed up cases on our own and formulating new policy to do this while assigning him a condition of Danger. At least that is what I am doing, I can't speak for anyone else. I am really looking forward to him applying an ammends and asking for permission to re-enter my group. He should also apply a blow to the enemy and that will be interesting to see when he gets around to doing it.
Lakey

Lakey, why do you think LRH would even want to do an amends and ask to re-enter your group?

What kind of amends project do you think he would have to do to make up the damage?
 
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