Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
You would think that anyone who started up a website called "Scientology-cult.com" would be able to look a little deeper than David Miscavige for the causes of Scientology's existence as a cult.
But I guess not.
Steve's latest post called "Black Propaganda" contains some pretty complex footwork that deftly tap-dances around LRH as the cause of anything negative in Scientology today.
His argument goes like this:
1. " For many decades, LRH and the Church of Scientology were attacked relentlessly through black propaganda campaigns. …Many dirty tricks were played on Church leaders. But through “constant alertness and willingness to fight back,” the Church persevered. And eventually LRH learned the attacker’s plan and launched an organization to beat them at their own game: the Guardian’s Office, headed by Mary Sue."
2. "The Scientologists fought back. They fought hard. They fought rough. And eventually, they began to fight dirty. And that was the beginning of the end. Once they began to violate their own principles and ethical codes, they corrupted the subject and planted seeds of ruin."
3. " [FONT="]For in destroying the integrity of Scientology, the Church became the enemy it once fought. As LRH said, what you resist, you become. Material originally intended to handle genuine high-level enemies, are now used against ordinary Scientologists, whistleblowers and virtually anyone that David Miscavige sees as a threat."
So this is the cause of Scientology becoming a cult, per Steve.
So let's question some of the assumptions that underly Steve arguments:
Assumption #1: Large organizations sought to destroy L Ron Hubbard and Scientology and this justified the creation of the Guardian's Office and all the tactics they employed.
Assumption #2: "Scientologists" violated their own principles in employing these tactics and L Ron Hubbard had nothing to do with that. This led to their downfall as a Church.
Assumption #3: David Miscavige, as a person of "profound evil", uses these tactics in ways they were never intended to be used. That's why Scientology is now a cult.
Assumption #4: Scientology was never a cult when LRH was on the lines and running things, even with these tactics, because these tactics were necessary to take down the "high-level" organizations that were trying to destroy both LRH and Scientology.
Are these assumptions true?
Were there really large, high-level organizations which sought to destroy Scientology and LRH? Who were they, exactly? What did they do, exactly?
If we are talking about the FDA, was L Ron Hubbard claiming cures for arthritis, cancer, and everything else in his pitches to sell Scientology - as the FDA claimed in their case against Scientology?
Did L Ron Hubbard ever violate the original principles of Scientology, and cause other Scientologists to do so as well, through policies and programs that he himself wrote and enforced?
Exactly how were the tactics that LRH developed for the GO used by him in his day? Were these tactics ever used on [/FONT][FONT="]Scientologists, whistleblowers and virtually anyone that L Ron Hubbard saw as a threat[/FONT][FONT="]?
Is David Miscavige really using GO and OSA tactics in ways that they were never meant to be used? Or were they always meant to be used in the ways that he is using them now?
Did Scientology behave as a cult when LRH was running things?
Steve, and many of the newly out "Independents" cling to these beliefs about LRH and Scientology and constantly preach them to their flock on their blogs.
Are the newly out Independents allowed to question these beliefs?
If so, what are some of the answers they have come up with, and why don't we ever see discussions of these answers on their blogs?
Some very good things about Steve Hall: He's out and he's writing. That process is his, and all of our, salvation from the Cult of Scientology.
This thread is intended to keep that process moving along.
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But I guess not.
Steve's latest post called "Black Propaganda" contains some pretty complex footwork that deftly tap-dances around LRH as the cause of anything negative in Scientology today.
His argument goes like this:
1. " For many decades, LRH and the Church of Scientology were attacked relentlessly through black propaganda campaigns. …Many dirty tricks were played on Church leaders. But through “constant alertness and willingness to fight back,” the Church persevered. And eventually LRH learned the attacker’s plan and launched an organization to beat them at their own game: the Guardian’s Office, headed by Mary Sue."
2. "The Scientologists fought back. They fought hard. They fought rough. And eventually, they began to fight dirty. And that was the beginning of the end. Once they began to violate their own principles and ethical codes, they corrupted the subject and planted seeds of ruin."
3. " [FONT="]For in destroying the integrity of Scientology, the Church became the enemy it once fought. As LRH said, what you resist, you become. Material originally intended to handle genuine high-level enemies, are now used against ordinary Scientologists, whistleblowers and virtually anyone that David Miscavige sees as a threat."
So this is the cause of Scientology becoming a cult, per Steve.
So let's question some of the assumptions that underly Steve arguments:
Assumption #1: Large organizations sought to destroy L Ron Hubbard and Scientology and this justified the creation of the Guardian's Office and all the tactics they employed.
Assumption #2: "Scientologists" violated their own principles in employing these tactics and L Ron Hubbard had nothing to do with that. This led to their downfall as a Church.
Assumption #3: David Miscavige, as a person of "profound evil", uses these tactics in ways they were never intended to be used. That's why Scientology is now a cult.
Assumption #4: Scientology was never a cult when LRH was on the lines and running things, even with these tactics, because these tactics were necessary to take down the "high-level" organizations that were trying to destroy both LRH and Scientology.
Are these assumptions true?
Were there really large, high-level organizations which sought to destroy Scientology and LRH? Who were they, exactly? What did they do, exactly?
If we are talking about the FDA, was L Ron Hubbard claiming cures for arthritis, cancer, and everything else in his pitches to sell Scientology - as the FDA claimed in their case against Scientology?
Did L Ron Hubbard ever violate the original principles of Scientology, and cause other Scientologists to do so as well, through policies and programs that he himself wrote and enforced?
Exactly how were the tactics that LRH developed for the GO used by him in his day? Were these tactics ever used on [/FONT][FONT="]Scientologists, whistleblowers and virtually anyone that L Ron Hubbard saw as a threat[/FONT][FONT="]?
Is David Miscavige really using GO and OSA tactics in ways that they were never meant to be used? Or were they always meant to be used in the ways that he is using them now?
Did Scientology behave as a cult when LRH was running things?
Steve, and many of the newly out "Independents" cling to these beliefs about LRH and Scientology and constantly preach them to their flock on their blogs.
Are the newly out Independents allowed to question these beliefs?
If so, what are some of the answers they have come up with, and why don't we ever see discussions of these answers on their blogs?
Some very good things about Steve Hall: He's out and he's writing. That process is his, and all of our, salvation from the Cult of Scientology.
This thread is intended to keep that process moving along.
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