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Hatshepsut

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Stat

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I always feel this song.
 

Stat

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Loved that Stat. Why is your vid to the left. Your post looks differently alligned that all the other YouTube ones. Did you use some other program to embed it?

And in a similar vein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cNRQo1m3A

Oh my!... I almost forgot about this song (Human Touch). I really like it. Glad we share affinity for Streets of Philadelphia, Hatsy!

I don't know why my vids are to the left, i just need to learn more on posting content here.

Warm hug.
 

Hatshepsut

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Oh my!... I almost forgot about this song (Human Touch). I really like it. Glad we share affinity for Streets of Philadelphia, Hatsy!

I don't know why my vids are to the left, i just need to learn more on posting content here.

Warm hug.

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lkwdblds

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Strange Blocking of names occurred last night

At the very end of the thread the Original Poster gets to see a list of all the ESMB members who have read the thread EXCEPT THOSE WHO BLOCK THEIR NAME FROM SHOWING UP. Yesterday when I went to bed, there were a total of 612 names listed. This number continually grows sproadically.

HOWEVER, this morning, the number dropped from 612 to 595. That means that last night, 17 viewers went to their Control Panels and installed a BLOCK so that their name would not appear as having read this thread.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA WHY A GROUP OF 17 WOULD DO THIS? Last night, I noticed Captain Birdsong from the FCDC thread was on our list, having last read the thread on May 18, 2010. It was just by chance, that I saw this. The name caught my eye because he is the one who urged the FCDC thread to rally and try and keep first place. I just checked this morning and his name is now expunged. My guess is that 17 regular posters on FCDC expunged their names but why? Anyone have any ideas?

FCDC made a big push yesterday and had around 1000 posts. We started the day alittle over 600 behind them and ended the day a little less than 500 behind, only picking up about 150. In a two week period in August, we had 14,000 hits, averaging 1000 a day while they had only 3,600 hits averaging only 260 per day, only about 1/4 of what we normally do. For them to make 1000 in a day, they quadrupled there normal output so they take this seriously and had to take extreme measures to try and hang on to position #1.

I remember the Two Word limit thread fought hard for a while to fight us off when we overtook them, back around February for 7th or 8th place. When we overtook them, we were in the high 30,000's around 38k or 39k I believe.

As I write, we have closed to wwithin 414 posts, 146,998 to 146,584.
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lkwdblds

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Pontification without any examples is of limited use

They aren't really "wholly separable". :D

What you value is what you actually create, not merely the achievements you trumpet. 17th century life was in many ways wretched precisely because it was created to be that way in accordance with the commonly held values of the day.

The "changes" that appear throughout history, both "good" and "bad", reflect the communal swings in popular "values" as they are held & maintained by the relevant cultures. To speak of 17th century "values" without the bad stuff included is to speak of a mythological world, an eutopia.


Mark A. Baker

First line, "They aren't really "wholly separable." Fair enough, but MAB simply makes an assertion. He doesn't soften it with, in my opinion, nor does he give any examples. By the way, MAB, the period I referenced was in the late 1700's or the late 18th century, not the 17th century which you repeatedly refer to.

I will give a counterexample to MAB's statement. Let's say that in the late 18th century, a home purchase deal was sealed by a handshake and a one page document with one signature each from buyer and seller but in the 21st century, instead of 1 page, there is a stack of 80 pages to be read and signed and several of the signatures have to be notarized. Meanwhile, the 21st century has a far better sewage system. I can see the case in opposition to MAB's assertion. A case could be made that the enormous increase in paperwork is wholly seperable from a vastly improved sewage system!

Another example: In 1781 a worker earns $10 wages, he is paid $10, there is no withholding tax taken. A worker of today has FICA, Medicare, State Disability Insurance, Federal Withholding, State Withholding, FUTA ad nauseum taken out of his pay and withheld. Meanwhile, energy conservation is drastically improved in the 21st century. A good case could be made that the these two items are wholly separable.

Again an assertion is pontificated upon us without any examples. It may or may not have truth in it, it is given as a proclamation that this is the way it is. No examples are given. To wit, he says that 17th century life was wretched precisely because it was created that way. Once again, the century is wrong but lets use the 17th century and I quote,

"17th century life was in many ways wretched precisely because it was created to be that way in accordance with the commonly held values of the day."

What does this statement mean? Perhaps a 17th century citizen thought 17th century life was great progress over the 13th or 14th century and that he was very lucky to be alive in the then modern times, with all the new conveniences of the 17th century. Who is saying it was wretched? What does it mean that it was created that way in accordance with the commonly held values of the day? Perhaps some examples might be helpful to MAB's readers? Bach and Handel were writing music then. Bach played on a giant pipe organ in Leipzig, was that wretched? Was the work of Newton, Leibniz, Pascal, Fermat wretched?

I just feel MAB paints with too boad of a brush. Sure, there were wretched things going on then as there are today as well but can one would-be "authority" just assert that life was wretched?

The last paragraph makes more sense than the first two in my opinioin but I find a lot of fault in the last sentence and I quote,

"To speak of 17th century "values" without the bad stuff included is to speak of a mythological world, an eutopia."

This type of quote is typical of MAB's posts. The sentence states a truth but then it has two huge outpoints.

#1. - It implies to its readers that someone else has spoken of the 17th century without the bad stuff included but no one has done this. It is an imagined concept developed from nothing which MAB uses to help make his point.

#2. - MAB extolls the virtues of modern times as huge advancements and for the most part they are, but they also carry baggage and many negatives with them yet MAB does what he infers others have done (but have not) and he speaks of 21st century "values" without the bad stuff included thus speaking himself of a mythological world, an eutopis (per his own words.)

SUMMARY - MAB is well informed and has a nice writing style. I am looking for dialogue and he is giving pontification, patiently explaining to the uninitiated how things really are. He is pedantic to the extreme. If someone is going to be so pedantic, they need to tell others their qualification and why we should listen to them. Where and how did he obtain his superior knowledge? He does not do this, we have no idea of what his background and education consist of and he will never comment on that or reveal it.

MAB has a right to his own opinions. I feel this post of his which I quoted is a valid post and a large improvement over his previous post which I critiqued but to me this post still falls far short of what it would have to be to get me to take it seriously, The reasons why, I outline above. That's just my opinion; others of you may find the post to be brilliant and that is okay too.
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Love the Bakersfield sound Carmelo. I am delighted that Dwight Yoakum turned out to be an actor.:coolwink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4foq4HcQdpg

Yessirrrreeeee, that's the Bakersfield sound.:happydance:

Bakersfield, for those of you who aren't from around here, is in the Central valley of California. It is dusty with tumbleweeds, cotton, and oil rigs. For as long as I can remember, the smell of oil has hung in the air there. It is hot and dry in the summer, and crisp and cold when there is winter. It's California, so not that much winter, but the freezes can be brutal to the crops every 7 years or so. It is about as far from Beverly Hills in culture as any place in the world. Bakersfield is home to shit kicking music.

Dwight and Buck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBaVUaHlZm8&feature=related

I like performers who like to perform. Buck, the day before he died, was playing a full night's set at his place in Bakersfield. That is doing what you love. that's the way to live life. No retirement, after death I can retire.

Don Ho was like that. He liked to perform. He was performing several nights a week in Waikiki right up till the day he died. He was someone, like Bill Clinton or John Madden, who just liked people- liked hanging with people and shooting the breeze.
 

afaceinthecrowd

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What I bought into and Why, Part 7

Although it appears that I have succeeded in killing the “LRH Thumbnail Sketch” thread I will also post this there, as I that was where I started this task. I apologize in advance for the length of this post...I just could say what I'm wantin' to say in fewer words. Face:)


“I believe much trouble and blood would be saved if we opened our hearts more. It does not require many words to speak the truth. We do not want churches because they will teach us to quarrel about God, as the Catholics and Protestants do. We do not want that. We may quarrel with men about things on earth, but we never quarrel about the Great Spirit. The white man has more words to tell you how they look to Him, but it does not require many words to seek the truth. I am not a child, I think for myself. No man can think for me. It does not require many words to speak the truth.” Thunder Rolling in the Mountains (Chief Joseph the Younger) Wallowa Band, Nez Perce Tribe

"Religions are different roads converging on the same point. What does it matter that we take different roads so long as we reach the same goal? I believe that all religions of the world are true more or less. I say 'more or less' because I believe that everything the human hand touches, by reason of the very fact that human beings are imperfect, becomes imperfect. I may be a despicable person, but when Truth speaks through me I am invincible. What is Truth? A difficult question; but I have solved it for myself by saying that it is what the 'voice within' tells you." Mahatma Gandhi


My Sister’s visit with my Father and Stepmother didn’t turn out well. She apparently didn’t get an “offer” like I had but, since she was a few weeks away from being age 21. I supposed that was because there wasn’t as much “skin in the game” for the happy newlyweds. After her week at the mansion she just got fed up with all the vitriol. It would be 20 years later before I told my Brothers and Sister about my “offer”…I just didn’t want to add to their hurting at that time. My revelation to them then stimulated a deeper conversation, with revelations that were most therapeutic to us all. My parents spent the rest of their lives hating, blaming and vilifying each other at every opportunity they could manufacture.

During the last semester of my Senior year I continued to “drift”—inwardly detached, outwardly putting up a good “front”. I was selected to be the town’s Honorary Mayor for “Young Leaders Week”, was the Homecoming Queen’s date for the Prom, made it to the State Forensics Tournament Finals (3rd Place, All Around) and was voted “Best All Around” of my Senior Class. As usual, my parents were unable to attend. I finished my last semester with 2 A’s, 2 B’s, 2 C’s and a D+ that actually turned out helping me more than an “A”.

Just after Christmas Break I started receiving letters from Colleges, including the five schools that had scouts at the “Big Game”. All 5 were interested in considering me as a Scholarship prospect but they needed a clean “Bill of Health” before proceeding with applications and consideration. I told Coach about the letters and what the Doctors had told me just before Christmas and he choked up. “You’re a winner, son,” he said, “I know it’s hard to see this now but sometimes things work out for the best and we just don’t know it at time. I’m real proud of you, Face, and I know you are gonna do great things with your life. There’s not an ounce of ‘quit’ in you, son. Anything I can ever do for you, you just let me know…you hear me?”

I never answered any of the letters. At the time, I wasn’t sure whether or not Coach was right about “not an ounce of quit”. I hadn’t consciously “quit” but I was unsure, uncertain as to where I was going, what I was doing, what I wanted, what was my next step. Yes, I was going to go to college, one way or another but the “Jock”, “Student/Athlete” identity, and all the accoutrements thereto had become so comfortable, so “step by step” that I was ill prepared to formulate a plan or consider a design for my life other than, “Be determined, stay determined, always give your best, never quit, consistently perform and ‘it’ will all ‘magically’ happen.”

I briefly considered joining the Air Force, doing my four years and then going to college on the GI Bill but decided I really wanted to have the taste of “Freedom” at this point in my life, which shortly proved to be a moot point anyway. When I turned 18 my local draft board classified me as 4F due to “Accute Post Concussive Syndrome”.

During one of my library sojourns I checked out the “Journals of Lewis and Clark” and that led to a sidebar study of the Nez Perce Tribe and to the life, words and thoughts of Chief's Joseph the Elder and Younger, and Smohalla and the “Dreamers” . For some reason, I was profoundly moved by the story of the Nez Perce, the Joseph’s, Smohalla and the Dreamers and when I had finished reading everything in the library about them I was, oddly, taken by an urge to read everything about Gandhi. Gandhi and Chief Joseph, the Younger “fit” together like hand and glove and their stories and words spoke to me, disturbed me. “Where is all ‘This’ going?” “Where am I going and why?” On and on and on.

As the School Year drew to a close I became more and more confused, drifting. More than ever I felt as though I was living in different realities. One was the reality of school, work, friends and the trappings of physical existence. Another was the growing reality of thought, meaning, spirit and finding the “Truth”; my “truth”. And then there was the reality that I was on my own and somehow out of place.

On the physical plane I was a young adult and “going places”, somewhat accomplished and certainly “on my way” in the world. On the thought plane I was an infant and needy, uncertain, clumsy and driven more by instinct than understanding. On the personal plane I was deeply lonesome, unsettled and apprehensive. Up until this point in my life I had shared very little with anyone about my “secret self and ‘world’”. I tried talking lightly about some of what was going on with me to a few selected friends and they got a little “spooked”. I tried talking to a few trusted adults and they diffidently brushed off my entreaties as a “phase” most youths pass through. Seeking counseling was a non-starter for me as I had already concluded that if anyone, or any subject, knew what “This” was all about, the World and Civilization would not be in the situation it was in.

By Graduation time I had formed a loose, general and near formless plan. I was going to work two jobs for 3 or 4 months, save up some money, then “take off” and “Walk the Earth” for 5 or 6 months, see some of the places I had read about and then figure out my college and future. My Mother became very concerned that I was going to move out and exercise my right to have the child support due until I was 21 sent directly to me. She insisted was rightfully her money “to provide a home” for me. I told her, "I really don't care about the money and whose it 'fairly' is, I am 18, I am about to graduate and I am going to make my own way in the World." I honestly didn’t want any of my parents precious money anyway…to me it was “stained” and “booby trapped” and I was, albeit blindly and naively, searching for “meaning, freedom and truth”. My “plan” began to evaporate at my Graduation as another “Ms. Angel” stepped forward in my life.

My Father had 3 sisters. 2 of them lived in our part of the state and were nearly as flaky and “Born Again” as he. His third sister was married to a Dentist and lived several states away—nearly 1,000 miles—in the suburbs of a very large city. My Aunt was so sweet, very kind and full of life and her husband was a very cool guy. Although we had not spent much time together over the years, she had always really liked me and treated me with great kindness and interest. Although my Aunt and Uncle attended church regularly they were of a very liberal denomination and “laid back” about their faith—so much so that my parents really didn’t consider them to actually be “real Christians”. My Aunt and Uncle came to visit my Father, meet their new Sister-in-Law and attend my Graduation. I was so thrilled to have them there and during their visit my Aunt, as was her way, engaged me in attentive, sincere and open conversations about my plans, my hopes, my dreams and my life.

During one of our conversations my Aunt asked me what my GPA was (darn good) and what my SAT was (very darn good). “Well Face,” She said, “have you considered ‘Ivy Halls University'? I think it might, just might, be the right place for you.” (This is a “plug” name in deference to my wish for anonymity). Ivy Halls was where my Aunt and Uncle had met, where their oldest son had gone on a Football Scholarship and was now in the PhD program at a top tier University. It was a very fine private University, founded over 80 years ago (at that time) by their denomination. Over the years it had become more secular and most of the students were not of the denomination or “Christians”. It was also very expensive but when I told her that I couldn’t afford it, she said that if Ivy Halls wanted me, which she felt they would, the school would find a way for me to go there.

In a few months I would be living in the middle of more humanity, asphalt and noise than I ever imagined and, as I would soon "discover", 30 minutes away from an “Org”.

Face:)
 
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Wish I had known...

No, I don't recall you mentioning that.

My hair didn't go to Locks of Love. My hair isn't really red...if it was that color naturally, I wouldn't have cut it off. My own hair is a combination of blonde, silver and white. It was red because I put henna on it, which was supposed to wash out in a few weeks. Well, it never washed out and all the things that the manufacturer told me to use to try to get it out didn't work. I consulted a hairdresser and she said there was no way to get it out. It looked pretty stupid with part of it red and my own hair growing out and I didn't want to keep doing the henna because it was so messy and made my hair gummy, so my only alternative was to cut it off. I cut it as short as I could, but I still haven't got all the red out, so it's now strawberry blonde, since all of my hair is now tipped with about an inch of the left over henna. I was told Locks of Love only wants hair that has not been treated with anything, so all my long hair went in the trash.

After I cut it off I found out I could have made my hair just about the same color by making a kind of paste with instant tea and putting that in my hair and that does wash out. I also smelled strongly of tea with it on my hair. I didn't much care for that. Before trying the instant tea, I tried instant coffee. That worked too, except that I smelled like somebody left a pot of coffee on the stove for too long. I didn't like that either. I'm always experimenting and messing around with stuff. But, if I ever want to make my hair that color again temporarily, I can use instant tea.....or maybe I'll discover something better. :lol:

:omg: Oh drat!!! I wish you had mentioned something about this before cutting, I have many friends who henna and otherwise dye their hair pretty colors, as well as some hairdresser friends, and could have possibly gotten you much helpful advice or product recommends on handling the rinse out phase... but strawberry blonde is cute, too! :coolwink:

I used to have this problem when my hair was bleached by the sun all summer, and then after swimming in pools it would turn a really brassy shade of bright green!!! Slightly traumatizing back then, but would be really hip today, just my luck! :no: Now they have special products on the market to wash that green out of us blondies...might have worked for your henna, too.

I guess that was another thread where I waxed poetic about redheads of all shades. I literally do turn my head and stare at them, and I brake for a certain shade of auburn!!! :thumbsup: :clap:

I am a natural blonde and when mine goes white, eventually, I am going to dye it pretty colors like the local college kids do, change it either for the seasons or the holidays, or as the mood strikes me, with unsweetened kool-aide...cheap and it does wash out after a while, with no damage to your hair. Pastels, here I come!!! :p (I am an artist so I can get away with this kind of behavior! :D)

I have friends who have used camomile, lemon, rosemary, black tea and coffee to color treat their hair "naturally", in addition to the henna.

Well, looking on the bright side, FoTi, your new 'do will be much easier to care for than long hair is! :)
 

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:omg: Oh drat!!! I wish you had mentioned something about this before cutting, I have many friends who henna and otherwise dye their hair pretty colors, as well as some hairdresser friends, and could have possibly gotten you much helpful advice or product recommends on handling the rinse out phase... but strawberry blonde is cute, too! :coolwink:

I used to have this problem when my hair was bleached by the sun all summer, and then after swimming in pools it would turn a really brassy shade of bright green!!! Slightly traumatizing back then, but would be really hip today, just my luck! :no: Now they have special products on the market to wash that green out of us blondies...might have worked for your henna, too.

I guess that was another thread where I waxed poetic about redheads of all shades. I literally do turn my head and stare at them, and I brake for a certain shade of auburn!!! :thumbsup: :clap:

I am a natural blonde and when mine goes white, eventually, I am going to dye it pretty colors like the local college kids do, change it either for the seasons or the holidays, or as the mood strikes me, with unsweetened kool-aide...cheap and it does wash out after a while, with no damage to your hair. Pastels, here I come!!! :p (I am an artist so I can get away with this kind of behavior! :D)

I have friends who have used camomile, lemon, rosemary, black tea and coffee to color treat their hair "naturally", in addition to the henna.

Well, looking on the bright side, FoTi, your new 'do will be much easier to care for than long hair is! :)

The company who sold the henna first told me to put mineral oil in my hair and let it sit for a couple of hours and then wash it out. That was supposed to take it out. It didn't take any of the color out. All it did was gum up my hair. I washed and washed and washed to get that oil out. It never all came out in a month of washings. Then they told me to put dish soap on my hair full strength and let that sit a couple of hours then wash it out. That didn't do anything either. Then they told me that it probably wouldn't come out because my hair was too porous. Then I went to the beauty supply store and was told that no color life would take out henna. Then I asked a hairdresser and she said henna is permanent....it won't come out. So then I decided to cut it off.

I remember when some girls hair would turn green from the chlorine in the pool when I was young. I used to like it.

Cool Aide, huh? I never thought of that. I wonder how I would look with pink and green or maybe just a little blue on one side? And I guess I could carry a paint brush and an easel with me just to make it okay with others. :lol:

How long does it take the cool aid to wash out?

What color does Rosemary make?

Long hair is just as easy to care for as short hair for me.....the only difference is short hair uses less soap dries faster. Actually I think long hair is easier to take care of sometimes - I just wore it in a braid. I liked it but some other people seem to like it better short and said I looked more with it. :confused2:

Funny to be talking about this on this thread, but I guess if the guys can talk about tits, we can talk about hair. :p
 
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