Alanzo
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Yes. It's in a squeeze bottle, though, with olive oil in it.
Marty Rathbun Uses Hushmail
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You don't want the Julia Child tips for making mayonaise, do you?
Alanzo
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Well put - and I almost agree with Armadillo man too, but for different reasons.
It seems to me a lot of what M & M have been doing is actually mirroring the "successful actions" we have been doing here in Oz, and becoming good friends with journalists who are simply after answers to questions is one of them.
John Sweeney's pleasant greetings to OSAstalkers with cameras reminded me of how Bryan Seymour operates - unfailingly polite yet posing hard questions at the same time.
But one thing's noticeably missing from the M & M mix - lobbying politicians loudly and visibly.
Without that, I don't believe you can achieve real reform as only politicians can change the laws that the Co$ currently "bend" in their favour.
And only politicians have the connections that go with their jobs that enable them to speak fearlessly about petty operations like the Cult of Scamology.
When I see Rathbun and Rinder talking seriously to members of Congress/senators/etc., I'll take their promises of Reformation seriously. Until then, I remain a sceptic of their ability to deliver real change to the Co$, let alone right the abuses endemic within it.
Oh jeez, look!
Scootchie stayed on topic.
On a Friday night, even.
I agree with you here. Serious and real reform is the omitted datum in the M&M show.
So far, it has - literally - all been PR.
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I thought you were on FaceBook???
nexus100
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Olive oil? I spell my name regnaD kciN.
Alanzo
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My mother used to make mayonnaise. It was yellow. She stored it in Mason jars.
When you swallowed it you could feel it seeping in between your internal organs, and oiling their outsides so they rubbed up differently against each other in your midsection.
I don't really like mayonnaise for that reason.
Maybe I have an engram.
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scooter
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My only disagreement with you is that it's now Saturday morning - and the sun's shining beautifully outside.
I like what M & M are doing PR-wise as I believe it's effective in dismantling the Co$ from the inside.
I think they have good intent in what they're trying to achieve.
But they need to get more outside help in - that was one of the "cognitions" I had about the whole reform-the-cult-and-stop-the-abuses crusade.
If the mechanisms for real reform had existed within Scientology from the beginning, they would have worked by now and none of us would be discussing the subject. No amount of "Blame DM" will EVER explain that away for me.
degraded being
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Marty is not trying to reform scientology. He is trying to save scientology. He does *not* care what crimes were committed for scientology, because criminal activities have been done for the survival of scientology. He does care that some of the crimes *he* committed might land him in jail. He would use the crimes of others to promote himself as cult saviour. His operation is nothing like the OZ anti-scientology projects. Marty is *not* trying to save people from scientology, he is trying to save them from becoming ex-sceintologists.
Marty committed crimes for the greatest number of dynamics. When DM commits crimes, it is, according to Marty, to ruin Rons tech. Is that what they mean by ser-fac?
Marty knows the tech better than any of the class X11's that were around when he became Mr-Better-Than-Everyone.
Marty is a cult saviour.
Marty is *not* deprogramming, waking up, finding the truth, coming to understand how he was brainwashed, or following the same path as cult leavers. Marty is not a cult leaver. And he does *NOT* want others to leave either. Nor will he allow any criticism of the cult, only DM or the structures that he, in his superior cult leader way thinks *he should be controlling.
Marty committed crimes for the greatest number of dynamics. When DM commits crimes, it is, according to Marty, to ruin Rons tech. Is that what they mean by ser-fac?
Marty knows the tech better than any of the class X11's that were around when he became Mr-Better-Than-Everyone.
Marty is a cult saviour.
Marty is *not* deprogramming, waking up, finding the truth, coming to understand how he was brainwashed, or following the same path as cult leavers. Marty is not a cult leaver. And he does *NOT* want others to leave either. Nor will he allow any criticism of the cult, only DM or the structures that he, in his superior cult leader way thinks *he should be controlling.
nexus100
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What does this have to do about mayonnaise?
degraded being
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Think outside your box.
nexus100
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Ah, the box. We always need reminders.
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
So the morals and values we ascribe to Marty are not morals and values to Marty.
I realize that.
A cult is a sub-culture. It has its own morals and values which conflict with the morals and values of the society around it. It attracts the misfits and the alienated and the broken. It also attracts the major egomaniacs who always looked down on the milquetoast shallowness of the surrounding culture.
A cult is filled with rebels with causes, usually their own, which they think the rest of the cult shares with them.
When they find out their cult does not share their cause, they leave and become bitter critics of the cult.
Oh.
I think I've said too much.
Krautfag
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Let me assure you, that is exactly the stuff we long to hear and read. Alanzo wrote a good bit about how that sort of thing is useful and valueable later on in the thread.
Thank you for being so open about that, you just earned a few more points in my book. Not that you would care about that much
That's the worst thing I have ever heard about you, Geir. OSA deserves microsquish. I hope you feel genuinely ashamed about your role in having introduced them to the wonderful world of the gpl & creative commons!
Mark A. Baker
I agree with Mark A. Baker. Brb, gotta feed the flying pigs.Would it make any difference if it was criminal activity by OSA against people you *don't* like?
I can think of any number of people I don't 'like'.
Zinj
Oh come on, Zinj, cut him some slack for being so upfront and save the cheapshots for ... other people.
Mick Wenlock
Admin Emeritus (retired)
I think that is true of most exes and those that are in currently - most people get into Scientology because they wish to better themselves and I assume that Marty has the same sort of drive. I think that desire to achieve a true moral balance is what gives scientologists so much trouble because so much of the activity of scientology is exploitive and manipulative and far from moral.
I don't think there is any real attempt to achieve moral balance until they start to speak about the things that make them afraid, the things that carry penalties and that do not make them look like good guys.
They seem to be laboring under the vast illusion that they are the good guys.
Bulletin - Marty Mike (and the rest of all of us XSO (and current SO) members) we AIN'T THE GOOD GUYS. I wish we were - we ain't.
Alanzo
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For I am Alanzo, Destroyer of Worlds
scooter
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Very true, Mick - the best thing I ever did for myself was admit to being criminally stupid - on prime-time TV.
What I don't understand is the continuing adherence to KSW#1 which slanders democracy enormously when the ONLY reason Marty's blog (and forums like here) exists is because, in a democracy, you have freedom of speech.:confused2:
Cognitive dissonance much?
Logical thinking seems to be something that only returns gradually once you begin to recognize the major illogics you've been believing. Only then do you start to be truly free in your thinking.
I do hope M & M keep taking steps towards that goal.
Isene
Patron with Honors
Probably.
Please explain a s scenario where what I wrote would lead to one less coerced abortion, forced disconnection or getting someone in OSA jailed.
What you write seems so dramatic, it sounds like the police organizations when they want unlimited freedom to invade people's privacy - they almost always pull the child pornography card to make people give up their rights to be anonymous on the net. Pulling that card will get them just about any new anti-privacy law passed. Or pulling the terrorist card in the US.
In the rather insignificant world of OSA and such drama, it's pulling the forced disconnection or the coerced abortion that does the trick.
lurkanon
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Security briefing
It is not on Marty's blog, but it is on Steve Hall's site: (which is listed as a link on Mary's blog)
http://www.scientology-cult.com/knowledge-center/security-briefing.html
Extract:
"Security Briefing
Tuesday, 06 October 2009 08:28
"In 2002, at the Int Base, friends from OSA told me that OSA hired private investigators who in turn employ hackers to intercept email traffic of people they were investigating. In this way they always know the plans of their enemies. Their private investigators also use bribery to gain access to telephone records and bank records in almost real time. Use a credit card somewhere, and if the Church is tracking you, they know where you are. Call someone, and the Church knows who you called. ComputerWorld published a great article on how to protect your identity online. Here's the link to the article. .."
and
"Protecting your identity online
Every computer including yours has an identity online called an IP Address. It is a combination of numbers like "123.45.67.89." When you send an email, your IP Address is sent along. If you sign up for a gmail account, your IP Address of the computer where you signed up is also recorded. So, if you want to create a gmail account, do it from a public computer, not your own. After that, never use that particular email address for any traffic that can identify who you are. In other words, don't write to a friend and sign it with your name.
Computer software like Anonymizer can enable you to surf the net anonymously. Furthermore, it enables you to send and receive emails with security. Cost is about $30 a year.
Hushmail will encrypt your email traffic to prevent people from being able to read it. They have free memberships if your volume of traffic is going to be very low. For more frequent use, just get a membership for $30.
There are other programs available. A quick Google on these subjects will teach you more."
It is not on Marty's blog, but it is on Steve Hall's site: (which is listed as a link on Mary's blog)
http://www.scientology-cult.com/knowledge-center/security-briefing.html
Extract:
"Security Briefing
Tuesday, 06 October 2009 08:28
"In 2002, at the Int Base, friends from OSA told me that OSA hired private investigators who in turn employ hackers to intercept email traffic of people they were investigating. In this way they always know the plans of their enemies. Their private investigators also use bribery to gain access to telephone records and bank records in almost real time. Use a credit card somewhere, and if the Church is tracking you, they know where you are. Call someone, and the Church knows who you called. ComputerWorld published a great article on how to protect your identity online. Here's the link to the article. .."
and
"Protecting your identity online
Every computer including yours has an identity online called an IP Address. It is a combination of numbers like "123.45.67.89." When you send an email, your IP Address is sent along. If you sign up for a gmail account, your IP Address of the computer where you signed up is also recorded. So, if you want to create a gmail account, do it from a public computer, not your own. After that, never use that particular email address for any traffic that can identify who you are. In other words, don't write to a friend and sign it with your name.
Computer software like Anonymizer can enable you to surf the net anonymously. Furthermore, it enables you to send and receive emails with security. Cost is about $30 a year.
Hushmail will encrypt your email traffic to prevent people from being able to read it. They have free memberships if your volume of traffic is going to be very low. For more frequent use, just get a membership for $30.
There are other programs available. A quick Google on these subjects will teach you more."
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