welcome farcycle
WELCOME FARCYCLE!!!
Welcome, Farcyde.
Please share.
WELCOME FARCYCLE!!!
Welcome, Farcyde.
Please share.
In the FZ I can't recall anyone who didn't like OT 3. I may not have heard of any who didn't. Don't recall anyone saying they didn't like it or want to do it. Good results are attainable in my own experience and in that of others in the FZ.
Might be interesting to have a thread on this issue or a poll.
Call in was a high priority in the 80s because AOLA had something like 800 million dollars in prepaid services that had not been delivered. Mostly OT1-3 packages and Solo - OT3 packages. Some paid as little as $3500 for these packages, others paid $12000-$18000 depending on the time period.
As Kookaburra said, it is true the OT-3 sup doesn't let anyone leave after reading the OT-3 materials - even waits until after break for them to read it, makes sure they've gone to the bathroom, etc. It is true the sup knocks himself out to get the person to audit OT-3 the same day as reading the materials. Doesn't always happen, and even when it does, there are heaps of blows immediately afterward and it has been that way throughout AOLA's time. We had to call them back in. So I know.
I would say between 15-20% of those who read the OT-3 materials blew without completing OT-3 and had to be convinced to come back in. It was a real problem. So much so, that for at least a year we had one person assigned full time to call them back in. And we were calling in blows from all different time periods - late 60s to mid 80s. OT2 is weird, but without the weird theory that OT-3 has. No Xenu story there. And OT1 and OT2 are lightweight and fun, and if they didn't make sense, it was because people assumed it would all be explained on OT3. Plus OT1 had changed many times
over the years. After all, OT1 wasn't ever actually directly written by LRH.
I learned firsthand from those that blew that they were hugely disappointed after reading OT-3. A large number left Scn altogether after that. They had high expectations and didn't expect a scifi story.
Terril, you are an FSM For the FZ. To date, you have never said anything negative about the FZ or anything it delivers. If the FZ auditors have the same "promote promote promote" view you do and refuse to ever say any thing the least bit negative about the FZ as you do, what sort of honest answers do you expect?
Do you think ANYone ever told me about the OT3 blows or told anyone else? I would never have known if I had not known from my Call-In experience. If you are trying to say nobody in the FZ ever had doubts after reading OT3, then perhaps they were already more prepared for it from having read the Xenu story online. If a person hadn't already read it, they were nearly all at least disappointed. There have been far too many threads on here about the negative reactions from those who had read the OT3 materials for the first time. But I don't expect you to see or admit to these facts. We often have that problem between us.
From what you say these people never started these services.
Why was that? Expensive and invalidative preps and eligibility? Or
other reasons?
Its a bit of a stretch to get them to audit the same day they read the OT3 course. IIRC in my leisurely FZ try was a few days before I started auditing.
Fascinating! Of those who blew, how many never started and how many blew after starting?
Don't consider OT 2 lightweight at all! Often went anaten on it. Separated from a theta clear on it. My favorite bridge level.
One can see here perhaps why the material was eventually given the status confidential.
... For someone at the lower end of the bridge when i came across the whole Xenu tale i initially was a bit dumbfounded, WHAT NONSENSE. But then through some evaluation i guess i get it....
Taking xenu as the "basis of scientology", although a common practice, is the wrong way 'round. OT III wasn't "developed" until the '60s. Hubbard then revamped the already existing church around his new "tech development", principally by organizing the SO as some sort of dramatization of the whole mishmash. What was the proximate cause of that decent into lunacy is oft debated, but it is not an area for which there are definite answers.
The basic ideas underlying the subject of scientology were developed much earlier in the '50s. Most of the "good stuff" to be found in scientology dates either from that time, or is a further extension of ideas from that period.
Taking xenu as the "basis of scientology", although a common practice, is the wrong way 'round. OT III wasn't "developed" until the '60s. Hubbard then revamped the already existing church around his new "tech development", principally by organizing the SO as some sort of dramatization of the whole mishmash. What was the proximate cause of that decent into lunacy is oft debated, but it is not an area for which there are definite answers.
The basic ideas underlying the subject of scientology were developed much earlier in the '50s. Most of the "good stuff" to be found in scientology dates either from that time, or is a further extension of ideas from that period.
Mark A. Baker
Greetings Farclyde.
The "Wall of Fire" story may not be the basis of $cientology, but the secretive way Co$ go about denying it does make people wonder why it's such a big deal.
The real reason is revealed in the HCOB "The Mystery Sandwich". How many people in Scientology hang in there through thick and thin and put up with so much crap and fork over heaps of money to finally be let in on this earth shattering secret that will salvage their soul for all eternity? The answer ---almost all of them.
The other reason why this level was picked as the ultimate secret is that it is so corny that no-one would bother with their OT levels if they knew about it ahead of time. Hubbard dreamed it up in a delusory state brought on by liberal use of alcohol and being stoned out of his mind.
pinks and greys
Thanks Mark,
My posting on the subject of XENU is what it is. I remember the line we used. Create a mystery sandwich. Add as much garnish to it so it will look attractive to all, so they want a bite. There you have the OT abilities garnish now don't you. You got to understand from my point of view you don't have a technology with out the desirable trappings of OT abilities. OT 1 through to 8 are integral to that. So Xenu is very important to the whole subject.
Yes the early stuff in scientology are a gradient introduction into the awakening of options (of belief) and i have always viewed that as interesting, but lets just drop the pretense of scientology the religion and call it for what it is........
You said it.
Taking xenu as the "basis of scientology", although a common practice, is the wrong way 'round. OT III wasn't "developed" until the '60s. Hubbard then revamped the already existing church around his new "tech development", principally by organizing the SO as some sort of dramatization of the whole mishmash. What was the proximate cause of that decent into lunacy is oft debated, but it is not an area for which there are definite answers.The basic ideas underlying the subject of scientology were developed much earlier in the '50s. Most of the "good stuff" to be found in scientology dates either from that time, or is a further extension of ideas from that period.
As Kookaburra said, it is true the OT-3 sup doesn't let anyone leave after reading the OT-3 materials - even waits until after break for them to read it, makes sure they've gone to the bathroom, etc. It is true the sup knocks himself out to get the person to audit OT-3 the same day as reading the materials. Doesn't always happen, and even when it does, there are heaps of blows immediately afterward and it has been that way throughout AOLA's time. We had to call them back in. So I know.
I don't get this at all. I sup'd OT3 at AOSHUK 1983-5. The course was divided into two parts, the juicy stuff being on the second part. Part 1 often took 5 days or a week full-time. Part 2 usually took three or four days full-time. We always spent several hours on a final "doll" drill making sure the guy was as practised as one can be in auditing all the different procedures and remedies without actually doing it for real (you can see that drill in full detail on my OT3 checksheet here). The CofS checksheet didn't have such a drill on it, but at AOSHUK we did it anyway as it was ridiculous to send someone off to audit OT3 without doing it.
After he had routed through on the theory, then he got to:
1. See the platens for the first time;
2. Get checked out on them by the sup;
3. Solo audit.
*This* point we always tried to do in one go, i.e., we would never have the guy read the platens for the first time if he wasn't going to go into session at once.
I really don't see how someone could be gotten through the whole of OT3 theory (I'm talking about doing the entire CofS Part 2 checksheet, with M4s, star-rates, drills etc.), and the platens, and gotten into session in one day. it could explain all the blows! I can't think of one person at SH while I was on the line who blew after seeing the theory and before auditing. We took a great deal of care in getting the guy to understand what it was all about, and how to audit it properly, and he wouldn't graduate the theory until he felt reasonably competent and confident. If it meant he didn't graduate the theory until after Thursday 2pm, that was the way it was. Note that it often took several days on the theory before it really sunk in what the level was about, and people who were blasé about Part 2 on the first day would have their mouths hanging open days later when doing a clay demo or something.
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Now, of course, realizing how absurd the theory of OT3 is (even if there are some real phenomena that get obliquely addressed by the procedure), it's all quite laughable. But back then in the 80s it was quite a trip.
Paul