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My God! Scientology *works!*
I guess I need to reevaluate...
Zinj
Make sure you use the Data Series PLs in FULL
AND report full compliance to Emma when you're done - or you don't go home until you do.
My God! Scientology *works!*
I guess I need to reevaluate...
Zinj
Huh? Was this on some *other* thread? Damn them! Those intolerant mud-slingers!!!
Zinj
Are you trying to pretend it doesn't happen? :confused2:
Emma bet me to the punch here. But I can't let this go.
These people, Ken and Yvonne, have been massively active and supportive of the church for a combined 50+ years. They have contributed millions in hard earned money; neither was born rich or trust babies or anything of the sort. As people they are winners, the church considered them amongst their best success stories and examples, under any circumstances and from any perspective their departure is a victory against the strength of the church.
Zinj, check my post date and time, and Marty's blog entry date and time. Their letter was sent to me by email and I posted it here. I have an email header on it that does not exist in Marty's posting. Check your facts before you start whining and crying like a spoiled little school girl who has had her Barbie taken away. And how in the hell can my "intentions" in posting this be somehow nefarious?
Up until yesterday, the Schick’s has never written or spoken to Marty, even though they refer to his blog, they sent him a copy and asked him to post for broad distribution. I don't think they spoke with anyone, though read a number of blogs. Their resignation email went viral within hours, I didn't even know they were on the fence and both of them are friends. This is a sign of the crumbling church where good and high level people on their own, observing abuses within the church and researching available data make their own decisions and act.
When I told them I was posting their letter on ESMB, they were reluctant as having read it; they felt it was not friendly to their perspective nor would be friendly to them. I assured them that though rough around the edges, there were exceptional people here well worth getting to know. Thanks for backing me up on this Zinj.
There are a few people on this board who post and write with such disgusting manners that things become abhorrent to readers of different perspectives or positions in their own recovery.
Life, success and happiness in this society and civilization require, demand good human relations, the ability to create maintain and expand them. It is more important than education, genetics, race, socioeconomic and all other factors put together. Those few here who insist on ramming their personal perspective down others throats with snide or degrading comments, then cry like spoiled children because others don't want to play with them in their sand box ... a sand box they thoroughly and repeatedly shit in. Many people won't engage, much less enjoy it. If such demonstrates how they interact with others in real life, I don't have to know more about them to know they are disengaged from real life, miserable or consider themselves failures.
As far as I am concerned the brightest and most positive thing about ESMB is the vast majority of people want to engage in honest, open and respectful communication that helps themselves and others in personal recovery. I believe that those doing such are poising themselves for improved future success and happiness.
Zinj, my curiosity of you, your wit and intelligence has been thoroughly extinguished. Please don't comment on my posts and I won't comment on yours.
Emma bet me to the punch here. But I can't let this go.
These people, Ken and Yvonne, have been massively active and supportive of the church for a combined 50+ years. They have contributed millions in hard earned money; neither was born rich or trust babies or anything of the sort. As people they are winners, the church considered them amongst their best success stories and examples, under any circumstances and from any perspective their departure is a victory against the strength of the church.
Zinj, check my post date and time, and Marty's blog entry date and time. Their letter was sent to me by email and I posted it here. I have an email header on it that does not exist in Marty's posting. Check your facts before you start whining and crying like a spoiled little school girl who has had her Barbie taken away. And how in the hell can my "intentions" in posting this be somehow nefarious?
Up until yesterday, the Schick’s has never written or spoken to Marty, even though they refer to his blog, they sent him a copy and asked him to post for broad distribution. I don't think they spoke with anyone, though read a number of blogs. Their resignation email went viral within hours, I didn't even know they were on the fence and both of them are friends. This is a sign of the crumbling church where good and high level people on their own, observing abuses within the church and researching available data make their own decisions and act.
When I told them I was posting their letter on ESMB, they were reluctant as having read it; they felt it was not friendly to their perspective nor would be friendly to them. I assured them that though rough around the edges, there were exceptional people here well worth getting to know. Thanks for backing me up on this Zinj.
There are a few people on this board who post and write with such disgusting manners that things become abhorrent to readers of different perspectives or positions in their own recovery.
Life, success and happiness in this society and civilization require, demand good human relations, the ability to create maintain and expand them. It is more important than education, genetics, race, socioeconomic and all other factors put together. Those few here who insist on ramming their personal perspective down others throats with snide or degrading comments, then cry like spoiled children because others don't want to play with them in their sand box ... a sand box they thoroughly and repeatedly shit in. Many people won't engage, much less enjoy it. If such demonstrates how they interact with others in real life, I don't have to know more about them to know they are disengaged from real life, miserable or consider themselves failures.
As far as I am concerned the brightest and most positive thing about ESMB is the vast majority of people want to engage in honest, open and respectful communication that helps themselves and others in personal recovery. I believe that those doing such are poising themselves for improved future success and happiness.
Zinj, my curiosity of you, your wit and intelligence has been thoroughly extinguished. Please don't comment on my posts and I won't comment on yours.
So are you telling me you don't see the cynicism and sarcasm in the first 5 or 6 posts that follwed the OP?
Really? Wow.
This isn't the first time this has happened. It usually goes something like this....
A long term Scientologist finally leaves and does the Scientological thing with a Doubt Formula. But because the doubt formula doesn't label Hubbard a criminal and they still find value in the tech, they're scoffed at and ridiculed. I've seen it quite a few times and I just don't get it.
Maybe some of you were brighter than me, or maybe you just have poor memories, but it took me YEARS to shake the desire to find an alternative to Scientology. I never did anything about it but that was mainly due to their being a lack of FZ or Scn alternatives in Aus. The fact remains though that I wanted and felt I *needed* to be connected to some kind of "tech".
Does that make me weak? I dunno, but I can hardly judge others who have the same "weakness" as me.
Just because after 5 years I no longer felt any need for "tech" doesn't make it right that I look down on those who do.
Some folks seem to get out and shed that skin straight away. Kudos to them. But not everyone can.
While you can educate and provide information for folks, you can't "make" someone believe what you believe, despite a mountain of evidence in your favour. Just try that with any diehard Christian. It doesn't work.
All I'm saying is give these people a break. Not just the Schicks but anyone who leaves the church. It's a BIG BRAVE decision to do so. At least grant them that.
Just as general commentary, apropos of nothing other than how this good news has been received by some here on ESMB...
There are, it has been said, two types of people in the world. There are those who, when presented with a glass that is exactly half-full, say: this glass is half full. And then there are those who say: this glass is half-empty. The world belongs, however, to those who can look at the glass and say: What's up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don't think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass! – Terry Pratchett
I'm tickled that the Schicks are out. And that they wrote and distributed this letter. And that Mike posted it here. And that that they've received some congratulations here at ESMB for it.
To the Schicks ... you did real good!
TG1
Just as general commentary, apropos of nothing other than how this good news has been received by some here on ESMB...
There are, it has been said, two types of people in the world. There are those who, when presented with a glass that is exactly half-full, say: this glass is half full. And then there are those who say: this glass is half-empty. The world belongs, however, to those who can look at the glass and say: What's up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don't think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass! – Terry Pratchett
The Optimist sees the glass as half-full
The Pessimist sees it as half empty
The Realist sees it as polluted with coliform bacteria
The Cynic wants the Optimist to drink it
Zinj
Posted by Mike Laws
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There are a few people on this board who post and write with such disgusting manners that things become abhorrent to readers of different perspectives or positions in their own recovery.
We've had plenty of fence sitters arrive on ESMB in the past and through intelligent dialogue and kindness have provided a platform where they can look and read and ask questions in a safe environment and get out of the trap.
It's not really like that much now, much to my regret.