Beautiful string of posts Gadfly!
I believe enlightenment occurs when the being is totally aware of the "colored glasses" which he is using, and can make them all vanish completely, and create different sets of them at will to observe the universe in different ways.
Having only one fixed set of colored glasses means creativity has been lost, and maybe even the awareness of that creativity.
Also, just looking at created things somehow is not enough.
The search for knowledge (observation of created things) seems to me just an endless endeavour in which I spent many years doing not much more than chasing my tail.
Not even understanding of created things seems to go far enough.
At present time I´m trying to understand creativity and discover how much of it can I find in myself and how much of it I can be the cause of........
yes...creation of creativity......now my brain is melting.
....time to go to sleep!!!!!
Good bye and thanks for all the fish!!!!
Wow! Very well put.
This especially rang true for me:
I believe enlightenment occurs when the being is totally aware of the "colored glasses" which he is using, and can make them all vanish completely, and create different sets of them at will to observe the universe in different ways.
And, what is left when you remove ALL sets of glasses?
I used to have the idea that a "proper Scientology Bridge" would solve this by "undoing all of the postulates and agreements made by the spiritual being down through all time". I used to have the notion that all of these postulates and agreements acted as "limiting factors", and as such, when spotted and removed with Scientology processing, would allow the spiritual being to "be there" pretty much with nothing else - simply pure awareness.
I used to think . . . .
But there were a few problems for me with that. First, it was always "negative gain". It bothered me that the Scientology Bridge was dependent on simply "removing things" as a way to improvement. I agree that SOME of that is useful, but I feel that its usefulness runs out fairly quickly. I mean, once I was totally exterior with full perception on the Grades, the LAST thing I wanted was more of THAT.
Mmmmm? I just spotted that great moment when I had finished some Grade's session, and had walked out to a spot on a bridge over the Charles river. It was Spring in Boston, 1977. There were MANY beautiful boats in the harbor. I was just standing there, well no, the "body" was just standing there, and "I" was perfectly "there", with nothing else, my mind was entirely crystal clear, my space was immense, and I felt the jet plane fly "through me". I just now indicated to myself that EVERYTHING AFTER THAT was unnecessary and an OVERRUN! And, I line-charged for about 3 minutes!
Oh, just to mention, as far as the OP of this thread goes, I NEVER experienced ANYTHING like "Derealisation". Whenever I got "blown out", the colors were routinely BRIGHTER, the details clearer, reality was always MORE THERE, and I felt wonderful.
Another problem with this approach of auditing is that you NEVER learn to actually MONITOR AND CONTROL your own inner space - thoughts, attention, concentration, imagination, agreements, postulates, etc. I wanted to get in the driver's seat instead of always sitting in the back seat. It was real to me that I could "adjust" my own postulates and agreements, I had read quite a bit of widely varied subjects that touched on this idea, and I had even begun experimenting with these ideas. But Hubbard does not even HINT at such abilities, much less provide tools to expand ones learning and skills in these areas. I think he was very WELL aware of how to do these things, having been involved in magick, but he seems to have purposely left all of that OUT. That was a BIG outpoint to me. It was a glaring screaming Red Flag. I "knew" deep down that THIS was the "key", and also that Scientology did NOT address it.
I did the PDC OT Course on Flag in 1995, and all of this stuff about the creation, maintenance and destruction of universes by way of postulates, agreements and considerations made total sense to me. It still pretty much does. But then, I found the course drills insufficient, and I would make up my own drills and essays as I went along! The Course Supervisor hated it, BUT I was doing SO WELL, I was "beaming", and I would just tell him how great it all was - and he left me alone. Rocky Lackey - I think that was his name. I read later that Hubbard's inspiration for these lectures was Crowley. That was fine with me, because I always liked Crowley (brilliant writer). I read books by him before and after Scientology.
A brief note. Some people stuff all ideas about "magick" into one tiny little cubby-hole. Usually, "it's all bad". Christians tend to do that. They are often indoctrinated to do so. But, the subject is HUGE. There are "big personalities" like Hubbard in some of it. But most importantly, as with many things, the subject provides "tools". In the end, it matters ONLY what YOU DO with these tools. There is a simple way to test "goodness" or "badness" (maybe in anything).
Positive - conducted for the benefit of others, and if conducted for self, it NEVER harms or intereferes with any free-willed thing (white magick, selfless, compassionate)
Negative - always conducted for the benefit of self, often at the expense or harm to others, or even with an aim to harm another intentionally and knowingly (black magick, ego, inconsiderate)
With this distinction, cripes, cigarette companies could be viewed as "black".
Minimally, if you smoke for awhile, your lungs will turn "black".
Note: As I see it, this ability to
change reality at will with postulates can exist within a framework of "God", where you are very much a creative being, in the image of God, and that this ability might ultimately know no bounds. You are "part of God", in EVERY SENSE. But, in a strange incomprehensible and mystical way, the part CAN become the whole. There might be MANY universes, all based on differing postulate/agreement systems, with EACH shared by a near-infinite amount of beings. There my be as MANY of these as there are grains of sand on all the deserts and beaches of Earth. The "extent" of all "Creation" may include FAR MORE than what we perceive as "the universe". And STILL, all of this exists as a moment in the mind and heart of God! Could be . . . . :confused2:
See, when God made you "in His image", it was meant largely in the sense of His/Her
creative powers. We each have a very active and real quality of creative imagination, and while this may now be a sort of "lower harmonic", it seems to me that as one possibly expands and gets to "know God", that it may occur at some point that you "merge" back into the central source. And, maybe not. :confused2:
But also, at a certain point of awareness, it just doesn't matter! This universe, and your participation in it, isn't going anyway anytime soon. So, sit back and enjoy the ride.
For awhile, when I was still involved with Scientology, I dubbed-in for myself that Hubbard must eventually get into the "real meat" above OT VIII. Maybe that is when all of the DRILLS will finally come out. But, noticing that the old OT levels simply jumped right into "operating exterior", I assumed that Hubbard wasn't EVER going to get into this stuff. What stuff?
How to actively, with your own self-determinism, monitor, adjust, eradicate and create postulates and agreements at will.
That is the big tamale, and may even possibly open doors to other dimensions and alternate universes. Granted, that is entirely in the realm of supposition and guessing.
Nearly all of this sort of "negatve gain" auditing is NON-SPECIFIC in terms of WHAT actual aspects of your mind might be benefited. The gains are random and widely variable from person to person. In that, you have no control. There is absolutely no useful drilling or practice into the various aspects of learning to monitor and control your inner space. Something that ANY person could and would greatly benefit by.
Note: I suppose that the Expanded Grades bit so hard for me, because some of the processes involved the creative imagination, and NOT just getting rid of things.
Second, a major flaw with the whole package deal of organized Scientology is that while you might even actually be getting rid of important considerations and agreements that limit you as a being, you are quietly adopting a HUGE amount of new agreements according to the "Gospel According to Ron". One puts on a very thick pair of NEW glasses, no matter how high one travels up the Bridge. And, you are NEVER allowed to take those glasses off for a moment.
If anyone has a difficulty agreeing with that last part (because you still resonate with a certain amount of the indoctrination), just try to disagree with any aspect of KSW or modern management. First, you probably can't do it, because you are so heavily indoctrinated into this NEW set of agreements, and second, the Church with handle you very quickly if you try to do so.
Hubbard booby-trapped the whole thing. Why exactly, I don't know, and I don't really care. But he DID booby-trap it all. One cannot ever become senior to ones own agreements and considerations when you must exist within a strict framework that forces and demands the acceptance of some NEW crazy set of postulates and agreements (KSW, Scientology ethics and justice policies, on and on,
ad nauseum).
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Some deep thinking, and most probably right on the nose.
or to some degree not aware. :confused2:
(causes an ARC break, in Sciospeak). 
, and is the same thing you mention, it might be unknowable, and it might be undescribable, but that is the only thing that really maters to me now, and I just have to make an effort to describe it and to know it, and to practice it. I call it creativity or self-determinism, and it is the only "thing" that "never" changes and we "always" have 
( ditto on Alan Parsons Project! )
