Rathbun will NEVER forgive Gerry Armstrong for getting the truth about Hubbard out into the open. Imagine how much easier his job would be if the people at large didn't know that LRH was a lowlife whose only talent was roping good people into the bad cult he created. It's because of Gerry Armstrong that "besmirching the 'good name' of L. Ron Hubbard" has become fashionable. Thank you, Mr. Armstrong, for your integrity and the shit you endured for telling the truth.
All you need to know about Mike Rinder.
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/tomikerinder.htm
You have the right to feel sick.
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Gerry Armstrong, an ex-Scientologist, has announced that he's going to be talking about Rathbun and Rinder in Berlin -- Armstrong appears to want to set the record straight about how much Rathbun, for example, was behind Armstrong's terrible treatment by Scientology's legal team. I asked Rathbun if he's tried to reconcile with Armstrong now that he's left the church.
"When you give me a straight communication that doesn't just attack me as the devil, we'll talk about that. But apparently he's incapable of that. Maybe when he gets on a grip on himself, I'll sort it all out with him," Rathbun answered.
He pointed that another man who had been through rough treatment by OSA, attorney Graham Berry, was in Hamburg with him and Caberta at all times.
"I think she heard some rumors about my incredible persuasive abilities, so she had him there to keep me in check," he says with a laugh. "He was there the whole time." Berry, unlike Armstrong, has said positive things about Rathbun's current efforts to counter his earlier role in the church.
If Rathbun and Rinder were to attempt to put things right with Gerry Armstrong, and Keith Henson, I might be willing to cut them some slack. Until they do, they are unreformed in my eyes.
*Yes, I know there's a long list, but that would be a good start.
I have no expectations of any decency from either Rathbun or Rinder - and my money is still on them both being in collusion with little dainty davie boy.
The two people I knew both mentioned (later) that they were very disappointed in these OT levels.
Of course they attested.
And, afterwards, if someone tries to say that "oh, I don't really quite feel that way about it now", then they send YOU TO ETHICS and hit you with "you falsely attested". YOU lied. Members learn quickly that "getting sent to ethics" sucks. Most or many rearrange the content of their minds to avoid that.
To compound matters even worse, it is a HIGH CRIME to invalidate or denigrate any "state of OT". So, even if you truthfully don't feel you got the gains, you can't tell anyone!!!! Or, get declared!
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Saying sorry without reservation takes a huge being, that sounds hilarious but is true in this case.
Maybe M&M are children in large bodies. Everybody knows how cruel children can be. Not to mention L. Ron Hubbard as the father figure
Those 3 are all bat shit crazy on their own - put 'em in the same mix and look what happened,
Thomas is an awesome man, I wish I had the chance to meet him.
I am glad he is giving the forum to Gerry to be able to speak out.
And for anyone who wonders about Rinder and Rathbun - this speaks volumes.
Remember this - THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT THEY DID TO GERRY. Nothing.
They have not extended him the apology nor the help he has requested.
I don't buy that exactly. Yes, it is true after a fashion, HOWEVER ... there is probably more to this than meets the eye. Regarding Cof$ ... that they are still on his case after all this time ... we are coming up on the 30th year anniversary of Gerry leaving Cof$ with the genuine biographical material of the HubTurd ... that is understandable, knowing the Cof$ and its paranoid, obsessive nature. Marty and Mike may have set that attack in motion, but with the Cof$ it has continued on automatic. The lack of apology tho ... I think it is more than just arrogance. Here are three possibilities ... Marty covertly works for the Cof$. Perhaps Marty is Dave's next in line, and, rather than die as the Cof$ pope, Dave wants to pass the mitre and retire. But since there is no such thing in the Cof$ as far as a procedure goes for coming up with the new head honcho ... and since announcing a desire to step down would cause a huge internal power struggle at a time when the Cof$ is very vulnerable ... perhaps the handoff is being done covertly. Furthermore, it would have to be done in such a dramatic fashion as to be totally rebooted in the eyes of the public, such that new public can be gotten in. The old public has been sucked dry as if by a spider anyways. (How is that for a conspiracy theory?)
A second scenario ... Marty is still overwhelmed as far as confronting his own overts towards Gerry and simply hasn't come to grips with it yet and is still struggling with it and not yet ready to fully own up to what he did.
A third scenario ... Marty has some sort of vulnerability that would be exposed. That is hard to imagine considering statutes of limitations, or perhaps he is worried about DM going totally bonkers and doing something really really destructive if Marty were to publically come clean with Jerry. Marty has commented that DM is capable of throwing a Coolaid party.
Pete
f.e. probably stands for "for example", and I think Nicole just forgot that the correct abbreviation is e.g. What are Latin abbreviations doing in the English language anyway?
Remember this - THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT THEY DID TO GERRY. Nothing.
They have not extended him the apology nor the help he has requested.
Rathbun and Rinder are to take responsibility for their actions during their time at Co$, make up for the damage done to society and individuals. I wouldn't care about appologies from a person who fairgamed me. Even as Sea Org members they had a choice."It's true. I had a hand in the creation of the monster and now it's come back to haunt me," he says.
Gerry Armstrong, an ex-Scientologist, has announced that he's going to be talking about Rathbun and Rinder in Berlin -- Armstrong appears to want to set the record straight about how much Rathbun, for example, was behind Armstrong's terrible treatment by Scientology's legal team. I asked Rathbun if he's tried to reconcile with Armstrong now that he's left the church.
"When you give me a straight communication that doesn't just attack me as the devil, we'll talk about that. But apparently he's incapable of that. Maybe when he gets on a grip on himself, I'll sort it all out with him," Rathbun answered.
<snip>I wouldn't care about appologies from a person who fairgamed me. <snip>