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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Ted said:
Good points, Rog!

About asking questions, those trained in Scio will take that to mean asking some sort of probing question designed to go down a certain path and bring about cognition in various forms. That path in scio is broadly, The Bridge. If that's the understanding, the contract, so to speak, between the parties then no harm. But in casual conversation, an unannounced, not agreed upon contract can take on the feeling of a sales pitch or downright rudeness.

So, to further define what I mean by "listen and ack," I will add that my objective of such a casual conversation is simply my understanding of what the other person is trying to say--or is saying. Their objective can be as simple as being heard and acked. That's never an issue. How odd would that be in a social setting to clarify goals for the conversation? :lol:

If they don't fully understand what the point is that they are trying to make, it is rare that I would then be able to understand. I mean, I could surmise this, that, or the other thing, but that's more than just listening and ack. I ask just enough questions to gain understanding and then we are back on track. And by not probing the person says as much as they wish and no charge gets missed.

People have two or three primary, unanswered questions that sit underneath all other curiosities and unanswered questions related to everyday living: "Who or what am I?" "Why am I here?"

This is the point: People have remarked that I surely am an intelligent person. I could easily provide evidence against that statement, and given all the people and things that I simply do not understand, it would be ludicrous to argue in favor of my own intelligence. Truth be told, all I have done prior to this remark is listen and acknowledge. People then see me as they would like to see themselves.

Simple.

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P.S. Sometimes a person will realize that they have been doing all the talking so they give me a chance to say something. I figure I have about a two sentence opportunity to express myself. Then they are off originating again. There really is an imbalance of origination to acknowledgment and recognition out there.

P.P.S. Some people have a hard time finding a safe point from which to originate. They will remain quiet until they figure out what that safe point might be. During that time my silence can make people uncomfortable. You can ease the pressure they place on themselves by starting an innocuous conversation: "How about those Florida Gators this season?"

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Yes, all brilliantly correct :yes::yes: It's what I observe also.

R
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

RogerB said:
This came to me this morning from a friend . . . .

I present it for your edification and entertainment and hope it does not "shatter" to many stable data:melodramatic:

[video=youtube;-NH5yK3ZN54]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=-NH5yK3ZN54[/video]

There are lots more vids at the YouTube page. The above is the second of two of this fellow. This first one really had me doing a WTF?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex283trHBgE&feature=player_embedded
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

RogerB said:
This came to me this morning from a friend . . . .

I present it for your edification and entertainment and hope it does not "shatter" to many stable data:melodramatic:

[video=youtube;-NH5yK3ZN54]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=-NH5yK3ZN54[/video]

There are lots more vids at the YouTube page. The above is the second of two of this fellow. This first one really had me doing a WTF?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex283trHBgE&feature=player_embedded
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There is really nothing new here as far as I can see. Maybe at the high school level and below, people are taught that the Earth revolves around the Sun in sort of a flat and fixed system. As soon as one studies at the college level, it is pointed out that the Sun is rotating around the center of our Galaxy. Going further, our Galaxy is a member of a local group of galaxies and rotates around its center and the local group is then a member of a super group and it is also rotating and so forth.

Many popular books written for the public cover these principles. Also, Einstein's General Theory of Relativity concerns itself with these principles.

I do not think it is in error to state that the Earth rotates around the Sun. Per Einstien, it could be equally stated that the Sun rotates around the Earth. Both of these assertions are equally correct but they just do not go far enough in describing the motions of the Earth and Sun. Obviously, if the Sun is rotating around some other frame of reference things get more complicated and this complexity continues as smaller groups are found to rotate around larger groups.

19th Century scientists were looking for an ether which pervaded the universe and was not in motion. If such a medium existed, then it would be possible to determine true or actual motions with respect to the ether. It was assumed that "Ether Winds" could be measured as objects went through it.

Einstein declared that there was no ether and to date his theory has not been disproven. When the ether concept went down, absolute motion in this universe went down with it. Things just move relative to one another. There is no central frame of reference from which to measure absolute motions. (Actually, there may be one but our science is not aware of it if there is.)

Anyway, for what its worth, the issues taken up in the posted video are well known amongst scientists and many public who read up on such issues. What the guy says in the video aligns well with current scientific knowledge. His graphics are good and they illustrate these points well.
Lakey
 
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Ooops.

Sorry about that. I go and get pissed once in a while and next morning think dang! what did I go and do that for?
 
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Leon said:
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Ooops.

Sorry about that. I go and get pissed once in a while and next morning think dang! what did I go and do that for?
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Don't feel badly, I thought it was funny. I remember a parrot in a cage was used on the old TV program "Candid Camera" starring Alan Funt. The directors rigged up a parrot cage with a live parrot in it and then also ran a microphone to the cage from the 2nd floor above the cage.

Some guy was coaxed to enter the store and take a seat for a few minutes until someone could see him. He sat down near the parrot cage. After a minute or two, the "parrot" seemed to start talking politics. There was an election campaign going on and the parrot started putting down the liberal candidate and stating that the conservative candidate was much better. The guy they dragged in was known to be liberal. He got up and started arguing with the parrot in the cage and things got very hot and heavy as the argument played out.

Finally, the man who told the man to have a seat came out to service him and he sees him arguing heatedly with the parrot. He demonstrates shock and asks, "What are you doing arguing politics with a parrot? You must be some kind of bird brain yourself". The first guy started to feel like a fool and then the second guy revealed that they were on "Candid Camera" - it was one of the funniest bits I have ever seen!
Lakey
 
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My Parrot Joke


A recent widower was lonely and decided to get a pet for companionship.

While at a pet shop a parrot called out to him, “Hey pal, take me home…I can talk with you.”

“No, you can’t…you’re a parrot,” replied the stunned widower.

“So?”

After a brief conversation with the parrot the amazed widower decided that this just what he needed to keep him company, bought the parrot, a luxurious cage (which the parrot helped pick out) and took his new friend home.

Over the following week the widower learned that not only could the parrot talk, the parrot never stopped talking…day and night. What’s more, the parrot was getting quite abusive in its language.

Finally, after a nock down, drag out 2 hour argument with the parrot about its conduct the widower had had all he could take of the parrots screaming at him. In exasperation he opened the parrot’s cage, grabbed the shrieking, cussing parrot and shut it in the ice box freezer to “cool him off”. The parrot continued screaming and cussing for a minute or so and then went silent.

“Ah, finally some peace and quite,” sighed the widower.

After another minute or so had passed the widower suddenly realized that maybe he had suffocated the poor parrot and ran and opened the ice box door and, much to his relief, found the parrot was still breathing. He put the shivering parrot back in its cage and for the next two hours, not one word came from the parrot’s beak.

‘Well,” the widower finally said to the parrot, “I guess you learned a lessen there, didn’t you.”

“Oh, yes,” said the parrot politely, “Yes, Sir I have learned a lesson. I promise to always be respectful to you and will, from now on, speak only when spoken to.”

“Well good,” said the widower.

“May I just ask one question?” Said the parrot, timidly.

Sure…one question…go ahead.”

“So that I might conduct myself properly at all times in the future and not make some foolish mistake that would upset and anger you…would you be so kind as to tell me what the Turkey did?”

Face :)
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

lkwdblds said:
Things just move relative to one another. There is no central frame of reference from which to measure absolute motions. (Actually, there may be one but our science is not aware of it if there is.)
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Right. I have to say, though, that I like the picture of the solar system corkscrewing its way through space. I don't normally think of the solar system this way. But one could. It's arbitrary, since there is no such thing as absolute motion; but by the same token, it's a valid picture.

This guy seems pretty loopy, though. His insistence that the solar system really is corkscrewing along at a particular speed, and not just orbiting in a fixed plane, seems to show that he actually doesn't understand motion, let alone relativity. And beyond that, when he starts talking about torque in space and his torus manifold, he's pretty much just reciting gibberish.
 
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Student of Trinity said:
Right. I have to say, though, that I like the picture of the solar system corkscrewing its way through space. I don't normally think of the solar system this way. But one could. It's arbitrary, since there is no such thing as absolute motion; but by the same token, it's a valid picture.

This guy seems pretty loopy, though. His insistence that the solar system really is corkscrewing along at a particular speed, and not just orbiting in a fixed plane, seems to show that he actually doesn't understand motion, let alone relativity. And beyond that, when he starts talking about torque in space and his torus manifold, he's pretty much just reciting gibberish.
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Yes, I mentioned that I like his graphics as well.

Per Einstein, one can definitely look at the solar system corkscrewing its way through space and not be "wrong" in looking at things that way. On the other hand, it is equally valid to consider the Solar Sytem to be fixed and the rest of the universe corkscrewing away from it in a corkscrew motion which is a mirror image of the first corkscrew.

If you imagine an ice skater or dancer spinning, the cosmos can be considered a fixed frame of reference and the skater or dancer is rotating. Of course, equally valid, the skater or dancer can be considered fixed and the cosmos can be conceived of as spinning around him or her. All the equations and math of the two scenarios are exactly the same.

This much seems fairly easy to grasp even though it challenges our common sense. However, consider another person in in a different city who is spinning as well and across the ocean others are spinning. Each one of those spinners can consider that they are fixed and the cosmos is spinning around them. At this level, it gets much more complicated. The math and equations can be worked out but even so, most of us cannot really get a good feeling of what is actually going on.

Add in other solar systems, then other galaxies and other groups of galaxies all in rotation with respect to one another and it is very complicated. Probably no person has an intuitive estimation of the motion that would be going on.

If there was a universe of unlimited space with no matter and an astronaut inside of a rocket ship appeared within it and he and his ship represented the only mass in the universe, then when the astronaut turned on his rocket motors, even though they worked perfectly, nothing would happen. No acceleration would be perceived, no motion would be felt or sensed in any way, there would be no gravity and if the astronaut turned on his flashlight, some light might appear but there would be no beam because the light wouldn't know which direction to go.

Lakey
 
The old days (Period)

And here is a little bit of humor that opens the door to discussion as to why CoS doesn't want pc's discussing their tech or ethics situations with each other:

AN ITALIAN ALTAR BOY'S CONFESSION

"Bless me Father, for I have sinned. I have been with a loose girl." :)p)

The priest asks, "Is that you, little Joey Pagano?"

"Yes, Father, it is." :yes:

"And who was the girl you were with?"

"I can't tell you, Father. I don't want to ruin her reputation." :whistling:

"Well, Joey, I'm sure to find out her name sooner or later so you may as well tell me now. Was it Tina Minetti?"

"I cannot say." :whistling:

"Was it Teresa Mazzarelli?"

"I'll never tell." :whistling:

"Was it Nina Capelli?"

"I'm sorry, but I cannot name her." :whistling:

"Was it Cathy Piriano?"

"My lips are sealed." :no:

"Was it Rosa DiAngelo, then?"

"Please, Father, I cannot tell you." :nervous:

The priest sighs in frustration. "You're very tight-lipped, and I admire
that.

"But you've sinned and have to atone. You cannot be an altar boy now for 4 months. Now you go and behave yourself."

Joey walks back to his pew, and his friend Franco slides over and whispers, "What'd you get?" :confused2:

"FOUR MONTHS VACATION AND FIVE GOOD LEADS" :dieslaughing:
 
Re: OT on the Apollo was Never Like This!

Ted said:
Any man who has waited at length for his lady to get ready for a night out on the town will appreciate this tech. And ladies will too!

Any woman who has had to clean up her man to make him presentable will like this tech!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PJ7Mjh0rsO0
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AEMAEZZING! Where do you find this stuff, Ted!

Please be careful . . . I could get addicted to this kind of stuff . . .

R
 
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lkwdblds said:
Miscellaneous Ramblings -
MY BROTHER - My brother, Reuben (aka Clarence Rockaway), was delisted from ESMB by Emma a couple of months ago. What caused this were some remarks he made about Jesus Christ and LRH and anyone who thought that either of those two beings had anything beneficial to say.

He was warned about making viscious personal attacks and chose not to heed his warnings.

He was dialoguing with a Christian on a thread on ESMB. Reuben called Jesus a piece of crap or something like that and then said that anyone who takes Jesus seriously and follows his teachings is also a piece of crap. It is a shame that someone reaches the age of 69 as he just did and still has that much hate and avarice in his heart. Those type of remarks just don't "cut it". There is no good to be gained in venting that type of hatred.

There is still a vestige of caring about him in my heart and a hope that he can work his way to a higher level of beingness but being a realist, it is easy to see that the best thing which I can do for him at this point is to not have any further contact with him.

GIVING MY FIRST "SESSION" IN ABOUT 15 YEARS.
A friend of mine who is a classed auditor needed to clean out some stuff from their mind and asked me if I would do an informal session on them. I agreed and put in all the prep check buttons on an area which my friend wanted to look at. It felt good to do this, my first session since 1995 when I did the Academy Levels at O.C. Org. Things went well! In return, my friend gave me a short session.

I am seeing that a lot can be done by listening intently to what a person has to say, letting the person know that they are being heard and then acknowledging them. If one is asking the right questions, they are going to get a positive result on the other person, sometimes a very big positive result.

If a person senses that you are actually listening and that you really care, and then feels that you have duplicated what they have said, they are able to clean their mind and make it more orderly.

It can be called auditing, processing or just communicating. You can use a meter or do it without a meter. It doesn't seem to matter that much.

THE CAT IN MY AVATAR - The beautiful cat in my Avatar picture, Bella, has just moved in with me. My ex wife and I got "Bella" about 3 years ago when she was 2 years old. My son started Law School in September in L.A. and took Bella with him but she was keeping him up all night, constantly demanding more food so he asked me to take her. She moved in with me about 4 days ago. I like the companionship!
Lakey
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I really agree with you about the auditing. Just knowing that the person really duplicates and cares and asks the right questions does clear up and organise the mind a lot I've found.

It's funny you should explain about your cat. As I entered this thread, I wondered about her a few times and you have answered my question. She's beautiful. No wonder you called her Bella.
 
same old story

when my daughter was 2, she had a pony named Misty.

Misty and my daughter went far and wide for many years

When she was 11, she had an Arab named Amir.

Then there was Billy, a handful, to say the least (still with us).

At 15, she won the Tevis, as a junior (100 miles in 24 hrs or less over the Sierra Nevadas, from Squaw Valley to Auburn through 100 degree heat, snow, dead of night, river crossing, etc.)

When she was in Egypt, she found a horse to ride around the pyramids.

When she was in the Arctic Circle , she found a horse.

She rode across Mongolia by horseback.

In Malibu, she connected with the trainer for USC's polo team.

She's now living in Haiti, and guess what?

she's found a barn and a trainer

what a shock!!

she's doing hunter jumping, I don't really know what that means apart from Wikipedia and having seen events, I just know the feeling(s) of jumping a log, a ditch, a creek, a ... on Billy and Haneenya, etc. OUT OF THIS WORLD FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! usually at a gallop.

it doesn't get much better.

talk about exteriorization processes. there is nothing, nothing in this world that surpasses riding with / on a horse in the midst of a race across hill and dale, river and stream. BEING the horse, seeing the race as your horse sees it, feeling the strength, the passion. IT IS AN INCOMPARABLE FEELING.
 
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CarmeloOrchards said:
when my daughter was 2, she had a pony named Misty.

Misty and my daughter went far and wide for many years

When she was 11, she had an Arab

Then there was Billy, a handful, to say the least (still with us).

At 15, she won the Tevis, as a junior (100 miles in 24 hrs or less over the Sierra Nevadas, from Squaw Valley to Auburn through 100 degree heat, snow, dead of night, river crossing, etc.)

When she was in Egypt, she found a horse to ride around the pyramids.

When she was in the Arctic Circle , she found a horse.

She rode across Mongolia by horseback.

In Malibu, she connected with the trainer for USC's polo team.

She's now living in Haiti, and guess what?

she's found a barn and a trainer

what a shock!!

she's doing hunter jumping, I don't really know what that means apart from Wikipedia and having seen events, I just know the feeling(s) of jumping a log, a ditch, a creek, a ... on Billy and Haneenya, etc. OUT OF THIS WORLD FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! usually at a gallop.

it doesn't get much better.

talk about exteriorization processes. there is nothing, nothing in this world that surpasses riding with / on a horse in the midst of a race across hill and dale, river and stream. BEING the horse, seeing the race as your horse sees it, feeling the strength, the passion. IT IS AN INCOMPARABLE FEELING.
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I lived on a piece of property through which the "Tevis" trail ran. Winning the Tevis is impressive and no mean feat ! :thumbsup:
 
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CarmeloOrchards said:
talk about exteriorization processes. there is nothing, nothing in this world that surpasses riding with / on a horse in the midst of a race across hill and dale, river and stream. BEING the horse, seeing the race as your horse sees it, feeling the strength, the passion. IT IS AN INCOMPARABLE FEELING.
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This ^^^^^ I can relate to. And absolutlely agree with.

Oh, and sailing too. Yachting. The water and the boat and the win and cutting it so fine upwind and just seeing the boat hold the water and stay on tack . . . . much better than sex.
 
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