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An email from Debbie Cook to active Scientologists

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Debbie Cook's main complaint seems to be that Scientology is cannibalizing its own membership, and then taking the money from that and stashing it away. She feels that "fund raising" is out of control (apparently is unaware of Hubbard's money-sucking instructions not contained in the Green Volumes, and that ripping-off Scientologists is actually on-Source.). So, instead of sucking the existing membership dry, she proposes a revitalized dissemination program, and envisions a resulting flow of new people into the Orgs, where they can be subjected to all the "standard" Scientology handlings, including good old fashioned hard sell as it has existed since the 1960s.

She also expressed concern over "Clears" having their Clear status revoked, etc., but that situation dates back, at least, to Hubbard's decision that there were lots and lots of Clears - Dianetic Clears - and that these thousands of suddenly discovered Dianetic Clears should skip the middle grade chart and jump right into their upper Orgs (and out of the Missions that Hubbard was about to start looting).

For newbie lurkers, here's former C/S International, Class 12, Hubbard's personal auditor, David Mayo's views on the topic of Clear, from a 1991 article: http://www.ivymag.org/iv-01-02.html
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Clear

By David Mayo, USA.

In late 1978, the state of "dianetic clear" was announced. Within a few months two other "states of clear" were introduced: the state of "natural clear" and the state of "past life clear".

This change had two immediate consequences:

1. The number of people attesting (correctly or falsely) to having attained the "state of clear" increased enormously.
2. During and after that period, there was a considerable amount of upset and confusion about the "state of clear".

There were those who considered that a dianetic clear was not a "real clear" and that the only "real clear" was one who (like them) had done the Clearing Course. Some felt that they had gone clear in their last lifetime. Some felt that dianetic clear explained why they had never been able to run dianetic auditing successfully. A large number of auditors, C/Ses, and others felt that there were a lot of people falsely attesting to the state of clear and either

a. Felt unethical about letting the person attest, or
b. Tried to handle it and ended up involuntarily invalidating the pc. No matter how this was "handled", it has persisted as a problem. So we can at least assume that there are aspects of it that haven't been taken into account and handled.

Let us examine more closely what happened in late 1978 and early 1979. LRH was being audited and concluded that one of the things wrong with his case was that he had been audited on dianetic auditing after he had attained the "state of clear" (which he at first thought had occured in objective processing). He then issued a bulletin forbidding the running of dianetic auditing on clears and made various other technical and administrative changes.

He cancelled the state of "keyed out clear" by stating that it was the same state as "clear". He changed the definition of "clear" (and subsequently changed it several more times). He order ed that the folders of pcs (and the pcs themselves) who might have gone clear in orgs and missions be routed to Advanced Orgs. This action resulted in an emptying out of the orgs and missions and a flood of people arriving at the AOs.

At first, people were being declared clear regardless of what they thought they had gone clear on or when this had occurred. More importantly, they were being declared clear regardless of the state of case or condition they were in. In fact, one bulletin went so far as to advise that case and ethics trouble could be caused by a person having attained clear without having the state acknowledged. As a result, many persons who were declared clear were actually in very poor condition. This practice reflected badly on the "state of clear" and the workability of the tech. It caused a great deal of upset and confusion on the subject of clear.

At that time there was a shortage of instructions on how to handle dianetic clear technically and a general lack of data on the new subject of "dianetic clear". However persons accused of mis-handling dianetic clear were handled with heavy ethics. The "invalidation of clear" was named a Suppressive Act, while permitting someone to attest falsely was also a serious ethics offense.

A step in the procedure for handling these new clears was to establish the date when the person went clear. Sometimes the date so found would be before scientology or even prior to the pc's lifetime. When LRH heard that some persons considered that they had attained the "state of clear" in an earlier practice such as Buddhism, he became very upset. He stated that the idea that a person could go clear through any other means than scientology was "suppressive". At a certain point, he also got upset at the fact that people were concluding that they had gone clear in scientology auditing. So he specified that a person can validly go clear only in dianetic auditing. He handled the "earlier than this life time" clears by deciding that they either went clear in their last lifetime in dianetic auditing (presumably if they were young enough for this to be possible) or had attained a new state he dubbed "natural clear". His new theory was that some people had never been anything but clear. However, he refused, thereafter, to issue any further clarification of what he meant by this assertion.

Throughout this period, the definition of clear and/or dianetic clear kept changing - in the direction of dilution. Thus people came to expect less and less from the "state of clear", while the number of new clears (and thus new arrivals at AOs and Gross Income) steadily increased. None of the new definitions of "clear", and none of the new techniques for handling clears or programming them for further actions, really solved any of the problems caused by the advent of dianetic clear.

It is of interest that the definition of "clear" had already been changed several times between its first definition in DMSMH (The book, Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health, 1950, by L. Ron Hubbard) and the time the idea of "clear" was put forth. In DMSMH, a clear was said to be 4.0 on the tone scale, with no aberrations (held down sevens), no psychoses, neuroses, nor psychosomatic illnesses. The clear was said to have eidetic recall and highly enhanced perceptions and creativity. Although this chappie didn't have any OT powers, he was definitely quite a phenomenon!

It is also significant that the attributes of a clear, as described in DMSMH, were never actually attained, although in reading DMSMH, one might be led to believe that they were. When people started attesting to clear, the definition was watered down to the vague generality "at cause over mental MEST as regards the first dynamic". This definition can mean many different things to many different people. Anyone is at least somewhat causative over his own mind. So anyone can find an interpretation of this definition of "clear" that he can attest to. The states of "MEST Clear", "Theta Clear", "Cleared Theta Clear", "Clearing Course Clear", "Clear-OT", and, finally, "Dianetic Clear", and "Word Clear" were equally absolutistic when first stated, but when people started attesting to them, the definition of each, or the criterion for allowing a pc to attest to each, was similarly watered down. This sequence has been repeated over and over throughout the history of scientology.

LRH correctly stated that absolutes are unattainable. And the notion of "clear" is an absolute. It's like the notion of "clean" or "pure". When is water pure? When it has only one part per million of arsenic and rat poop? Nowhere in the universe is there water which is 100% pure. To obtain complete Clarity would require a complete as-isness of any universe the thetan was in and a return to complete native state. Everyone does have a reactive mind - his own reactive mind. That's why one flies ruds and goes E/S and gets off BPC on anyone regardless of their point on the grade chart. The mechanics of the reactive mind continue to exist all the way up.

"Clears" have always had trouble explaining why they still act reactively at times, or a lot of the time, and why they still have problems in life and in getting along with people. The amount of mileage you can get from the notion of a "cleared Cannibal" is very limited. Even a cleared cannibal, if he were really clear, would get along wonderfully in life, never manifest misemotion, and love all his fellow beings, even as he was having their bodies for dinner!

The idea of "harmonics of clear" is quite accurate. The main reason why LRH blew up at the idea of "harmonics of clear", as expressed in the HCOB I wrote, was, as he told me, that this idea tended to leave him open to the charge that the claims he had made in DMSMH and elsewhere concerning the "state of clear" were fraudulent.

The truth appears to be that there are various stages of release, at each one of which you are clear-er than you were. A person experiencing the glee of insanity is clear-er than someone who is just completely unconscious. It was PR and marketing considerations that led Hubbard to decide that certain people were "clear" at a certain point, and that they therefore had no reactive mind. However this assertion is a lie, and a very destructive one, one that denies case gain to a great many people and provides a too-convenient rabbit button for pc's, auditors and C/S's who are having trouble with the pc's case. The claim that case and ethics problems can be caused by being clear was:

1. Absurd on the face of it.
2. A declaration of open rabbitting season.

Trying to define "clear" is difficult because it is being done over a lie. We either have to restore the meaning of clear to its original absolute meaning (which means that there aren't any clears in existence), or we have to say that what people have attested to as clear is actually only a state of release or reduction.

We can say that the purpose of auditing is to clear aberrations and that if all aberrations were cleared, a "state of clear" would be attained. The concept of "clear" is useful as an ultimate goal, like the goal of perfect happiness or of perfect anything. It is a direction in which to continue to progress. It is not an attainable state (at least given our present level of technology).

Another part of the problem is that the states of release and clear are only subjective. Asking an aberrated person to decide when he feels or thinks that he is no longer aberrated, is asking for a delusory "cognition" from the start. At one time [ca. 1959. Ed.], LRH postulated that the state of clear could be objectively proven by the presence of a "free or floating needle" and a TA position of 2.0 (Female) or 3.0 (Male). But this was an unverified guess that did not stand the test of time.

Perhaps what we have been calling "clear" is "no longer chronically affected by engrams" or "engrams no longer in chronic restimulation." As such, the state would be more accurately described as a state of release or as a state of reduction. In other words, it would mean that the majority of a person's aberrations had gone into abeyance.

Regardless of what the state is named, the recognition that a person can continue to be come clear-er, restores hope and makes progress possible again.


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Debbie also states, "LRH personally turned over the upper levels to Ray Mitthof."

These would have been the many OT levels above OT 7, promised by Hubbard in January 1977. David Mayo had some observations about this, mainly that it consisted of mostly indecipherable session notes. So, I think that Debbie is going to have a rude awakening on this one.

If the extreme fundraising were to end, and those many upper upper levels were to exist or something pasted together as those levels and released, and the slave bracelets were to be loosened slightly so as to no longer chafe, and a show was made of "putting policy and tech back in," etc., perhaps Debbie's dream of a revitalized Scientology would be possible, and then we'd have Scientology circa the 1970s/1980s.

Hopefully she, and those who received her e-mail, will dare to consider something beyond a return to that "ideal scene."

Simply having some people shaken loose from the organization - at least to some extent - will free some of them to look further at previously forbidden information. And that's good.
 
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freethinker

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I was told this o many times I hate to think I bought it that many to my patron and beyond.

I stopped going when they said that this donation would finish the psych's and as we well know, the psych's are flourishing and prospering
I was told, that was fine, I wouldn’t be asked for any more money.

So what happened? No prizes for guessing – the answer is far too obvious. :angry:
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Gottabrain

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I was told this o many times I hate to think I bought it that many to my patron and beyond.

I stopped going when they said that this donation would finish the psych's and as we well know, the psych's are flourishing and prospering

They TOLD you that? Funny - Bob Duggan donates 10s of millions of dollars to the IAS - he is at the top of the Patron's list, one of the key financial backers of the IAS.

And he owns a pharmaceutical company.

That means that COS, the IAS and the Ideal Orgs are majorly financed through the very drug money that people who are anti-drug and anti-psych were told the money would go to destroy.

Seems to me a lot of people should be asking for refunds since the donations were obtained under false premises.
 
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Gottabrain

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Re: DC was a Corporate Officer as well as the Commanding Officer

I didn't realize that Debbie Cook was not just the CO for FSO but she was also on the Board of Directors as well for at least 14 years.

Every C/O or ED is part of the Board of Directors for his/her org. Hers was the FSO. Doesn't mean a lot, though. It means that at the weekly FP Committee, they get to figure out how to pay the bills with what the FBO (Flag Banking Officer) tells them they can spend of the money he/she says they can have, and in other orgs (maybe not FSO) that's usually about half of the bare amount they need to maintain operations.
 

BlackRob

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oneonewasaracecar

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What wasn't very clear is that the state of Clear is and never was very clear. :eyeroll:
Clearly.

Not sure what to make of this event. It has all the hallmarks of a clever plan, but also all the hallmarks of a very naive mistake that could lead to the RPF's RPF. I think the following post sums up why I think it may well be a mistake.
...re being RPF'd...In my experience, everyone thinks they are immune, the 'one' exception - until it happens to them. :yes:
A few things we can be certain of
1) David Miscavige is in no way in control of this as been suggested here
Personally, I think this was all orchestrated to keep Jan Eastgate out of the news.

Either that or it is part of Davie's exit battle plan...
David would not damage his own ego. If he wanted to exit as COB he would do it the same way LRH did it. Also, Jan Eastgate is not even on the US media radar at all.
2) We can be reasonably sure that Marty is not behind this partly for the reasons outlined here -
...Cook is MUCH better known and respected than Rathbun is/was, so she has MUCH more potential influence over CofS Cultists...
but mostly because it was such an intelligent well thought out move by someone with ethics in good standing with Scientologists.

The things we can't be certain of
1) Whether or not she has an exit strategy to avoid being RPF'd.
2) Whether she is sincere or using this as a way of damaging the church.
3) Whether or not she has an actual takeover plan of which this is a small part.
4) Whether or not she is an idealistic fool who believes the organization can really be fixed.
5) Whether or not she backing of some sort (FBI for example). The current economic climate makes this conjecture more favourable especially with the 1 billion dollar amount being floated around. Especially when we consider Gottabrain's speculation regarding the money and in particular this little snippet
And for any who doubt there are huge crimes, kickbacks and other financial games in COS finances - nearly EVERY company has financial irregularities. COS has gone unchecked and unsupervised under a dictator for decades. There are elephants in those accounts - enough to shut every door of every church.

Bye bye CULT. :wave:
Regardles of her intentions, I think Thrak and Smilla are correct: this statement originating from within as it has and according to KSW is a grievious wound, which will bleed public and staff over the next year or so, no matter what else happens. Every time people get regged, it will be like a splinter in their mind.

Very interested to see how this pans out.

And the award for best post is...
"F&^k you Scientology. It was all worth it just to be here to see you die."
:devil: :biggrin: :wink:
You go, girl.
 

GreyWolf

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Hard to say. There was another historical figure who had a stroke and no one would go near him until he died, they were so afraid of him. His name was Stalin. Reminds me of Hubbard. Another Austrian dictator committed suicide at the end of the war. History will certainly be repeated for David Miscavige. The question is which historical story will it be.

One thing is certain, the end will be swift, unpleasant and unexpected when it comes.

As long as it is not the Peoples Temple story.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Don't know if anyone caught/posted this already, but I noticed that in his blog, Marty called Debbie's letter and effort "Quixotic".

It would be soooooo cool if Debbie starts her own competitive Blog and started drawing some of the Indies over.

Then we'd have 3 kinds of Scientologist all competing for the same parishioners.

THE COS SCIENTOLOGIST

THE INDIE SCIENTOLOGIST

THE DECLARED BUT STILL IN GOOD STANDING WITH RON SCIENTOLOGIST
 

Sindy

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Don't know if anyone caught/posted this already, but I noticed that in his blog, Marty called Debbie's letter and effort "Quixotic".

It would be soooooo cool if Debbie starts her own competitive Blog and started drawing some of the Indies over.

Then we'd have 3 kinds of Scientologist all competing for the same parishioners.

THE COS SCIENTOLOGIST

THE INDIE SCIENTOLOGIST

THE DECLARED BUT STILL IN GOOD STANDING WITH RON SCIENTOLOGIST

quix·ot·ic

ADJECTIVE:

1. Caught up in the romance of noble deeds and the pursuit of unreachable goals; idealistic without regard to practicality.

2. Capricious; impulsive: "At worst his scruples must have been quixotic, not malicious" (Louis Auchincloss).

So, what exactly is he saying about Debbie's quest?
 

Good twin

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quix·ot·ic

ADJECTIVE:

1. Caught up in the romance of noble deeds and the pursuit of unreachable goals; idealistic without regard to practicality.

2. Capricious; impulsive: "At worst his scruples must have been quixotic, not malicious" (Louis Auchincloss).

So, what exactly is he saying about Debbie's quest?

That she is naive unless she comes to him for handling and uses his standard route to move on up a little higher. :yes:
 

Div6

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Don't know if anyone caught/posted this already, but I noticed that in his blog, Marty called Debbie's letter and effort "Quixotic".

Uhhh, you may want to provide the context:

If you want to show support say it loud, here and in other on-line forums (everybody who cares about Scientology reads them). Most importantly, get Debbie’s original e-mail spread as far and wide as possible on the lines of corporate Scientologists.

If you doubt the wisdom of this advice, please carefully read Debbie’s original email and divine the intent. Debbie doesn’t need to be turned into an Independent. Whether she ever does or instead continues on a quixotic quest to change the corporate beast’s stripes makes little difference. There is no more effective action (other than independent delivery) happening for the future of Scientology than what she is doing at the moment. More corporate Scientologists are being reached and gotten to look and think than by any other single action. If Debbie becomes an independent it will not be because someone convinces her to; it will be because David Miscavige drives her there.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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quix·ot·ic

ADJECTIVE:

1. Caught up in the romance of noble deeds and the pursuit of unreachable goals; idealistic without regard to practicality.

2. Capricious; impulsive: "At worst his scruples must have been quixotic, not malicious" (Louis Auchincloss).

So, what exactly is he saying about Debbie's quest?


TRANSLATION: Debbie, you are fail theetie wheetie.

BETTER TRANSLATION: Indies Rule!

BEST TRANSLATION: Surrender [STRIKE]Dorothy[/STRIKE] Debbie.
 

Good twin

Floater
Don't know if anyone caught/posted this already, but I noticed that in his blog, Marty called Debbie's letter and effort "Quixotic".

It would be soooooo cool if Debbie starts her own competitive Blog and started drawing some of the Indies over.

Then we'd have 3 kinds of Scientologist all competing for the same parishioners.

THE COS SCIENTOLOGIST

THE INDIE SCIENTOLOGIST

THE DECLARED BUT STILL IN GOOD STANDING WITH RON SCIENTOLOGIST

Terril must be cleaning up his resume and thrilled beyond belief at the potential FSMCs he will be collecting soon.
 

thetanic

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They TOLD you that? Funny - Bob Duggan donates 10s of millions of dollars to the IAS - he is at the top of the Patron's list, one of the key financial backers of the IAS.

And he owns a pharmaceutical company.

That means that COS, the IAS and the Ideal Orgs are majorly financed through the very drug money that people who are anti-drug and anti-psych were told the money would go to destroy.

Further, his company specializes in drugs for cancer and autoimmune diseases. So, in other words, diseases of the chronically ill.

(For which I'm thankful he's doing the research anyway, but this does seem like a point where he differs in perspective than the CofS.)
 

freethinker

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Interesting code of ethics they have.

http://www.pharmacyclics.com/code_of_ethics.html
Identifying Potential Conflicts of Interest
A conflict of interest can occur when an employee's private interest interferes, or appears to interfere, with the interests of the Company as a whole. You should avoid any private interest that influences your ability to act in the interests of the Company or that makes it difficult to perform your work objectively and effectively.
Identifying potential conflicts of interest may not always be clear-cut. The following situations are examples of conflicts of interest:



Actions of Family Members. The actions of family members outside the workplace may also give rise to the conflicts of interest described above because they may influence an employee's objectivity in making decisions on behalf of the Company. As a general rule, employees should avoid conducting Company business with a family member, or with a business in which a family member is associated in any significant role.

Further, his company specializes in drugs for cancer and autoimmune diseases. So, in other words, diseases of the chronically ill.

(For which I'm thankful he's doing the research anyway, but this does seem like a point where he differs in perspective than the CofS.)
 

Tiger Lily

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Of course! Don't get me wrong. I completely think they are enslaved and under a total mindf---. All I was saying is that it's not the same kind of slavery as the SO people. I'm sure you were not the type I am speaking of either.

Also, let me clarify. When I say "selfish and not that bright", what I mean is self-absorbed and not perceiving the world around them, especially what is happening in the orgs. To state it in the way that I did is the non-euphemistic way to say it and maybe not totally fair.

No worries Synthia -- I actually really enjoyed your prose, it was very well-stated and I could tell you weren't just "supposing" -- you were on quite a roll; words were flowing well. :) I sure hope I wasn't one of the ones who came across like that . . . after reading here I do realize how little I understood at the time about what life was like for staff members.

Scientology did tend to produce an "elitest" attitude in people. I saw it in public and in staff and certainly in the SO when they blessed the Org with their presence.
 
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