Thanks very much, that's my theory down the drain then (that they are working together).
Not upset in the slightest.
Awww..
Thanks very much, that's my theory down the drain then (that they are working together).
Not upset in the slightest.
Coming in late to this thread and I haven't read everything so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff.
Didn't Marty just a few days ago warn people off from contacting Debbie Cook through Facebook? Now he wants to act as her proxy for donation collection??? WTF????
I have it on pretty good authority that Debbie Cook HAS NOT & WILL NOT be contacting Marty Rathbun for any reason, especially to accept money. Debbie is really not a fan of Marty Rathbun. (And that's putting it lightly).
Marty has pulled some stunts before that have made me raise my eyebrows but this one is over the top. Is he devious or just stupid?
Coming in late to this thread and I haven't read everything so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff.
Didn't Marty just a few days ago warn people off from contacting Debbie Cook through Facebook? Now he wants to act as her proxy for donation collection??? WTF????
I have it on pretty good authority that Debbie Cook HAS NOT & WILL NOT be contacting Marty Rathbun for any reason, especially to accept money. Debbie is really not a fan of Marty Rathbun. (And that's putting it lightly).
Marty has pulled some stunts before that have made me raise my eyebrows but this one is over the top. Is he devious or just stupid?
Coming in late to this thread and I haven't read everything so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff.
Didn't Marty just a few days ago warn people off from contacting Debbie Cook through Facebook? Now he wants to act as her proxy for donation collection??? WTF????
I have it on pretty good authority that Debbie Cook HAS NOT & WILL NOT be contacting Marty Rathbun for any reason, especially to accept money. Debbie is really not a fan of Marty Rathbun. (And that's putting it lightly).
Marty has pulled some stunts before that have made me raise my eyebrows but this one is over the top. Is he devious or just stupid?
That's the question isn't it. Is he stupid or just playing stupid? Stay tuned. One thing you have to give scientology, which I'm sure Tony O would agree, is it's fucking entertaining. At least from the outside.
Well I am further outside than most around her as I have never been in.
When I read the OP I was eating and drinking at the same time and choked, I was trying to verbalise a WTF with coke and pie half way in me.
I tend to agree this is entertaining, but and I mean a huge but. Surly any sane person can see what a total shit Marty is.
This is not OK, there is some obvious bullshit going down here, if you cannot see it, well you need to go to some critical thinking lectures. I do not think Marty is completely stupid, he knows he can play with his flock and they will lap it up, my god they must be brain washed to put up with being talked at. I don’t think he is stupid but I think he is delusional, all hail Marty the savour. I think he is trying to fuck Debbie, not in a passionate loving manner but in a non consensual rape way.
I’m happy that this is being discussed in this manner here; what an insight into the cult think reading the discussions over at Marty vile.
Coming in late to this thread and I haven't read everything so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff.
Didn't Marty just a few days ago warn people off from contacting Debbie Cook through Facebook? Now he wants to act as her proxy for donation collection??? WTF????
I have it on pretty good authority that Debbie Cook HAS NOT & WILL NOT be contacting Marty Rathbun for any reason, especially to accept money. Debbie is really not a fan of Marty Rathbun. (And that's putting it lightly).
Marty has pulled some stunts before that have made me raise my eyebrows but this one is over the top. Is he devious or just stupid?
This "gesture" by Marty is highly inappropriate.
As others have pointed out, this is not a good development. Let me just throw out a few thoughts I came up with while I was doing some dinner prep tonight. Some are bound to be repeats.
* Offering to collect money for a legal fund when you've not consulted with the person who is the beneficiary of the fund is bad juju. It makes you (that'd be YOU, Mark Rathbun) look like you're running a scam.
* The offer makes Debbie look like she's in cahoots with Marty, which I believe is something she wants to avoid at all costs. It also ruins her reputation with the Still In Scns, because she's now wrongly being associated with a known SP (Marty).
* It also can cause her legal problems independent of any funds raised. I can just see Little Napoleon's legal posse now, writing up their subpoenas, thinking, "AH HA! Just as we guessed, she's been in touch with Marty!"
So why is Marty doing this? In my personal opinion, it's because Debbie Cook has not gotten into contact with Marty AT ALL since the letter came out, despite the many, many overtures made to her by Marty and his fan club. Putting out this notice of an unsolicited, unwanted and unwelcome legal fund is Marty's way of forcing Debbie (or her attorneys) to get in touch with Marty.
That said, I sincerely hope that Debbie's attorneys send Marty the legal equivalent of a FOAD letter. What Marty has done here is wrong, highly irresponsible and can put Debbie in a world of hurt that she does NOT want.
Marty, you s*ck.
Emma I think this post raises a good point on possible reasons for a "defend Debbie war chest".
That's the question isn't it. Is he stupid or just playing stupid? Stay tuned. One thing you have to give scientology, which I'm sure Tony O would agree, is it's fucking entertaining. At least from the outside.
Coming in late to this thread and I haven't read everything so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff.
Didn't Marty just a few days ago warn people off from contacting Debbie Cook through Facebook? Now he wants to act as her proxy for donation collection??? WTF????
I have it on pretty good authority that Debbie Cook HAS NOT & WILL NOT be contacting Marty Rathbun for any reason, especially to accept money. Debbie is really not a fan of Marty Rathbun. (And that's putting it lightly).
Marty has pulled some stunts before that have made me raise my eyebrows but this one is over the top. Is he devious or just stupid?
I just visited MartyWorld and noticed that featured prominently under his recent fund raising effort statement on behalf of fellow 'Friend of RON' Debbie, Marty has quoted from one of Hubbard's highly confidential covert Intelligence issues:
"As Sweden does, a small group using good intelligence tactics, with good technology, if well organized, can hold back enemies of great size."
The above quote is from Hubbard's 2 December 1969, 'Intelligence Actions, Covert Intelligence Data Collection'.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/datacoll/datacoll.htm
...in which is also this:
"The objective of the enemy is to discredit... Their first blast was from the San Francisco papers, Sept. 1950, quoting the publisher (of Book One) Ceppos being critical of me (he was a communist) followed by the LA papers, pushed then by Sara Komkovadamanov (alias Northrup) 'divorce' actions, followed by attempted kidnapping of myself. Other details were pushed into it including the murder of four and so on. This was a full complete covert operation. At the back of it was Miles Hollister (psychology student), Sara Komkovadamanov (housekeeper at the place nuclear physicists stayed near Caltech), Gene Benton and his wife - president of the Young Communists League... This was a full war against Dianetics."
And was written on the same day as this confidential LRH briefing:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/aidescon/ac02fram.htm
All of which can be found in this:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/infohat.htm
I think Marty has crossed the Rubicon into Hubbardville, permanently.
Yes, all that.. And shoud Debbie need to raise funds, then a lot of her potential supporters will have already donated to this scam and will possibly consider her efforts another scam?Wow I missed that excellent post by mirele. I think she's nailed it.
What a fucking scumbag.
My money is on both.... Is he devious or just stupid?
This. Collecting money in this way is illegal. Marty is showing that he would run things no differently to the alcoholic dwarf. Snake Oil sales must be down this week. I didn't check, did his post appear just before Thursday 2 PM? No one is paying for his really important services. Oh noes.
We also have to consider the possibility that Scientology may not bother suing her. The publicity would be atrocious (Not that that has stopped them before).
I think this is one of Marty's most blatant foot bullets in quite a few months now. I mean seriously, to try to raise "defense funds" for someone who won't return your emails?
But when one is a card carrying footbulletologist, what is one compelled to do? I think you know already the answer.
I am not a lawyer but I do have some legal training and certificatons. I can't figure out how he could call himself a minister and base a ministry on Scientology certifications that would have been cancelled if he has really been declared and kicked out of the "church" of scientology.