Cathy Sproule used to be a really nice lady. Shame.
Yes, shame indeed.
Cathy Sproule used to be a really nice lady. Shame.
I didn't realise the two events were so far apart. Do the girls remember the names of anyone involved?
Were Valeska and Mellissa Paris anything to do with Angela Paris (Berthoud)? She is currently the head of Walsh Manor School.
Graeme Wilson is of course still very involved at a high level. it would be interesting if he was implicated in a child abuse case. I believe Cathy Sproule is still at Saint Hill, possibly in OSA.
Solo
I've had this on my mind all day today. This afternoon, I held my newborn grandson quietly for an hour and thought about what had happened to these girls and the decision their mother had made. I am certain I would never have made that decision. I know I would physically fight to protect my children and grandchildren from harm. In fact, I left the SO mostly because my son was being bullied and no-one would help him.
It may be true that Paula and John would have been bad parents in any situation. Yes, maybe the SO looked like a great solution to them, if they thought they could unload their children onto nannies.
Yes, there's no excuse for what happened. No mother who loved her children would do that, I know.
But it's not up to me, or us, to judge these people. They made their decisions and they were patently wrong by most standards, but even so, we can't possibly know what was going on in their minds and how much their behaviour was determined by their church conditioning.
That's why we're here.
Solo
Sorry Paul, I am going to have to correct some of your corrections.
It is Graeme Reid Wilson, now of OSA. The po-faced and dour Scot has done some PR work for the cult, but seems to have taken a less visible role more recently. Appeared in this well-known example of how Scientology makes people happier (not):
http://www.scientology-london.com/danger/index_files/the-way-to-happiness.php
It is definitely Sharlene Turczak. She appears to be into training now (just over half way down the page, on the right): http://www.uktraining-solutions.co.uk/meet-the-team/
Cathy (Catherine Julia) Sproule now appears to be Cathy Gouws.
When I left CLO in Nov 1987, the staff were:
CO – Steve Lake
DCOI – Ken Warren
DCOI (internal) - Sally Steele
Cont Finance Director – Ray Blunden
(something finance) – Jim Sproule
SO Programs Chief – Maria Lake
Senior HCO – Sharlene Turczak, Kailani Frost, Brian Craik-Smith, Lynn Ashworth
Qual Sec (?) – Mike Phillips
Staff Section Officer – Elan Barram
A/ Treas Aide – Robert Wilkins
CO SMI – Rolf Glatt
HAS – Ann MacKilligan
Tours Regs – Craig Mathieson, David Beale, Drew Robb
CF Computerisation – John Wadey
Security Chief – Kevin Tyson
Continental Training Director (course supervisor) – David Press
? – Jean Tyson
? – Janine Brice
In the early noughties, Bruce Perry was CO before he got declared.
CMO staff:
CO CMO – Ginger Smith
Other CMO staff – Tom Hardy, Lisa Relihan, Jane Barran (Hayton), Raymond Dalrymple
Sharlene Turczak was married to John, who was ED of London Day. Or Foundation, I forget which. Anyway, this was unusual in that Sharlene was obviously SO, but John wasn’t (presumably ‘out-qualled’). So, strictly speaking, he shouldn’t have been living in the SO ‘berthing’ which was Bullards.
Sharlene later became very ill with ME and left the Sea Org. I saw her a few years ago and thankfully was doing a lot better.
Kailani Frost was married to Cameron Frost, who was the SO rep in St Hill Foundation. He later got very ill with MS, I believe and had to leave the SO.
From my own investigations, it appears that the majority of CLO staff have left the SO, although many remain Scientologists.
Axiom142
Sorry Paul, I am going to have to correct some of your corrections.
It is Graeme Reid Wilson, now of OSA. The po-faced and dour Scot has done some PR work for the cult, but seems to have taken a less visible role more recently. Appeared in this well-known example of how Scientology makes people happier (not):
http://www.scientology-london.com/danger/index_files/the-way-to-happiness.php
It is definitely Sharlene Turczak. She appears to be into training now (just over half way down the page, on the right): http://www.uktraining-solutions.co.uk/meet-the-team/
Cathy (Catherine Julia) Sproule now appears to be Cathy Gouws.
When I left CLO in Nov 1987, the staff were:
CO – Steve Lake
DCOI – Ken Warren
DCOI (internal) - Sally Steele
Cont Finance Director – Ray Blunden
(something finance) – Jim Sproule
SO Programs Chief – Maria Lake
Senior HCO – Sharlene Turczak, Kailani Frost, Brian Craik-Smith, Lynn Ashworth
Qual Sec (?) – Mike Phillips
Staff Section Officer – Elan Barram
A/ Treas Aide – Robert Wilkins
CO SMI – Rolf Glatt
HAS – Ann MacKilligan
Tours Regs – Craig Mathieson, David Beale, Drew Robb
CF Computerisation – John Wadey
Security Chief – Kevin Tyson
Continental Training Director (course supervisor) – David Press
? – Jean Tyson
? – Janine Brice
In the early noughties, Bruce Perry was CO before he got declared.
CMO staff:
CO CMO – Ginger Smith
Other CMO staff – Tom Hardy, Lisa Relihan, Jane Barran (Hayton), Raymond Dalrymple
Sharlene Turczak was married to John, who was ED of London Day. Or Foundation, I forget which. Anyway, this was unusual in that Sharlene was obviously SO, but John wasn’t (presumably ‘out-qualled’). So, strictly speaking, he shouldn’t have been living in the SO ‘berthing’ which was Bullards.
Sharlene later became very ill with ME and left the Sea Org. I saw her a few years ago and thankfully was doing a lot better.
Kailani Frost was married to Cameron Frost, who was the SO rep in St Hill Foundation. He later got very ill with MS, I believe and had to leave the SO.
From my own investigations, it appears that the majority of CLO staff have left the SO, although many remain Scientologists.
Axiom142
I heard Maria is now with Peter Ford in USA...
Lesolee,
This was almost certainly the pool at Walsh Manor. It wasn’t built for the staff, but was already there when they acquired the buildings. Someone painted a Sea Org symbol on the bottom, and it looked quite good.
But, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it had been drained and was unused by now. Maintaining a pool in good condition and heating it costs money. Staff aren’t really considered valuable enough to merit such an expenditure that has no direct return.
Axiom142
er 94 95 or 96 ish is the best i can remember, i spose its all the deception ive made about the time in C.Vs and employment forms i did so many things there
including the inner skin of the box at the new gatehouse, the staff member in reno's i was with on that was called Neil too lol
The murdo mentioned earlier was in the epf helping with the road resurfacing later on
The rest of SH was still cleaning and re-cleaning a week later....more honest I think!!
Axiom142
Fro what I know, planning permission was originally sought and subsequently refused. However, after some research/investigation, it was found that there is an old rule in English law - Something to do with not requiring planning permission to build on the site of an existing castle... I believe that it cannot be refused.
The rest is history.
Crash
You are not allowed to build a fortified building in the UK without permission from the Crown Estate.
And there would not have been the ruins of a castle there because the history of it would have been known. It would have been in the Doomsday Book for a start.
Well, well. For quite some time I've been trying to think of the name of the person who audited me at Saint Hill in the 1990s and it just wouldn't come to mind. Then today, completely out of the blue, I got a name - Liz Cotton.
I did a google search on "scientology liz cotton" and this thread came up!
Apart from being relieved that I came up with her name I've also enjoyed reading this thread so I thought I'd give it a bump.
After I'd gone back to my local org she sent me a nice letter asking how I was doing. I wrote back to her as a friend would tell another friend what was going on in their life. Then I got a letter from a reg saying she had passed my letter to him and he wanted me to contact him to discuss my next action!I remember the day she arrived to start her "career" in the SO.