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When I saw Marty's over-the-top blog post this morning, I honestly thought OSA had hacked him and was trying to discredit him by posting that. I asked if that were so and an interesting exchange with Marty ensued.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/who-is-joel-phillips/#comment-192362
The full exchange is "after the jump" as Tony Ortega likes to say but I found the fact that Marty deleted my final reply to him to be very telling about where Marty is coming from. Here is what was deleted:
Here is the full exchange:
disinfected | March 23, 2012 at 12:53 am
Marty, did OSA hack your site and turn it into a parody of Religious Freedom Watch complete with a call to make trouble for Phillips by contacting his associates ala OSA Standard Operating Procedure?
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martyrathbun09 | March 23, 2012 at 3:00 am
No, simply a simple ethics gradient. He could trim his sheets tomorrow…or not.
disinfected | March 23, 2012 at 9:23 am
Good morning, Marty
RFW is an example of the moral bankruptcy of the Church of Scientology, As are the tactics of OSA such as contacting a critic’s associates. IMO, you do not flatter yourself by duplicating them nor advance your cause. You are basing a lot on a random post in an internet newsgroup, something that is easily hacked by those in the know and there are plenty in opposition to the Church of Scientology that know how to forge usenet messages. A message that goes “I am a Scientologist and I eat babies” should be automatically suspect,
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John Pardillo
martyrathbun09 | March 23, 2012 at 1:14 pm
John
First, I am not into self-flattery. Second, I haven’t duplicated them in the slightest. Sanity is the ability to recognize identities, similarities and differences. Flunk on that drill
Marty
disinfected | March 23, 2012 at 1:47 pm
“Flatter yourself” is a turn of phrase that does not refer to self-flattery, as I am sure you well know. I see a number of similarities, not the least being the use of questionable and badly sourced (and likely totally bogus) information to malign a critic and advocating that supporters harass that critic in, IMO, an inappropriate manner (is there an appropriate manner to harass someone?). Fair game, anyone? You might want to see if the house across the street from Phillips is available for rent to prospective filmmakers; there may be a documentary in here somewhere. Also, I think Staples has a special going if you want to print some “Joel Phillips – Internet bigot” flyers to distribute in the neighborhood. Oh, and thanks for implying that I am lacking in the sanity department
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martyrathbun09 | March 23, 2012 at 1:59 pm
You noted: “I see a number of similarities, not the least being the use of questionable and badly sourced (and likely totally bogus) information to malign a critic and advocating that supporters harass that critic in, IMO, an inappropriate manner (is there an appropriate manner to harass someone?). Fair game, anyone?” What I find interesting is that you are so offended by my simply posting already published material along with the comments by you and others challenging its authenticity – and you equate that to what Phillips and the church has done. What is attributed to Phillips about Islam is FAR, FAR less offensive than the content of his webpage RFW. Yes, resounding FLUNK on the sanity test. Pass on the test this post posed. This blog has been about truth from day one – and there is no more painstakingly accurate site on the subject of Scientology in the history of Scientology than this one. I never suggested harassment of any kind. I solely suggested the purveyance of truth. Get a life.
mrinder | March 23, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Differences, similarities and identities.
Have you EVER seen a comment critical of or even correcting the RFW site (or any of the church hatesites) posted on that site?
I would wager that if Joel Phillips decided to post here to claim that the anti-Islam rant was not authored by him it would be posted. Even then others have brought forth the facts as they know them (Mark Bunker and others) and they too have been posted though they are not critical of Phillips.
On the other hand, the day a critical comment refuting any of his “facts” is posted on Phillips’ hatesite will be exactly one day AFTER David Miscavige takes out a full page ad in the NY Times apologizing for his human rights abuses and offering to do media interviews.
Don’t hold your breath.
disinfected | March 23, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Hi Mike
I see Marty just deleted my last reply to him. If you could see the content of that reply, his deletion of it is very telling. I will post that reply on ESMB.
martyrathbun09 | March 23, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Good, more your crowd.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/who-is-joel-phillips/#comment-192362
The full exchange is "after the jump" as Tony Ortega likes to say but I found the fact that Marty deleted my final reply to him to be very telling about where Marty is coming from. Here is what was deleted:
RFW is a morally bankrupt caricature that has little bearing on anything. I could care less what he has on his site and I would venture to say that no-one else much cares either. People, myself included, do care what you put on your site. When you republish as true an obvious hack job on Phillips and advocate harassing him based on it, you do yourself, as an OL for Independent Scientologists, an extreme disservice.
You know, if this post were any test at all, it is a test of whether your supporters will call you on obviously inappropriate behavior. Because, you see, that is one of the biggest problems with David Miscavige's Church of Scientology, no-one has the balls to tell him to get a grip.
Marty, get a grip.
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John Pardillo
Here is the full exchange:
disinfected | March 23, 2012 at 12:53 am
Marty, did OSA hack your site and turn it into a parody of Religious Freedom Watch complete with a call to make trouble for Phillips by contacting his associates ala OSA Standard Operating Procedure?
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martyrathbun09 | March 23, 2012 at 3:00 am
No, simply a simple ethics gradient. He could trim his sheets tomorrow…or not.
disinfected | March 23, 2012 at 9:23 am
Good morning, Marty
RFW is an example of the moral bankruptcy of the Church of Scientology, As are the tactics of OSA such as contacting a critic’s associates. IMO, you do not flatter yourself by duplicating them nor advance your cause. You are basing a lot on a random post in an internet newsgroup, something that is easily hacked by those in the know and there are plenty in opposition to the Church of Scientology that know how to forge usenet messages. A message that goes “I am a Scientologist and I eat babies” should be automatically suspect,
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John Pardillo
martyrathbun09 | March 23, 2012 at 1:14 pm
John
First, I am not into self-flattery. Second, I haven’t duplicated them in the slightest. Sanity is the ability to recognize identities, similarities and differences. Flunk on that drill
Marty
disinfected | March 23, 2012 at 1:47 pm
“Flatter yourself” is a turn of phrase that does not refer to self-flattery, as I am sure you well know. I see a number of similarities, not the least being the use of questionable and badly sourced (and likely totally bogus) information to malign a critic and advocating that supporters harass that critic in, IMO, an inappropriate manner (is there an appropriate manner to harass someone?). Fair game, anyone? You might want to see if the house across the street from Phillips is available for rent to prospective filmmakers; there may be a documentary in here somewhere. Also, I think Staples has a special going if you want to print some “Joel Phillips – Internet bigot” flyers to distribute in the neighborhood. Oh, and thanks for implying that I am lacking in the sanity department
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martyrathbun09 | March 23, 2012 at 1:59 pm
You noted: “I see a number of similarities, not the least being the use of questionable and badly sourced (and likely totally bogus) information to malign a critic and advocating that supporters harass that critic in, IMO, an inappropriate manner (is there an appropriate manner to harass someone?). Fair game, anyone?” What I find interesting is that you are so offended by my simply posting already published material along with the comments by you and others challenging its authenticity – and you equate that to what Phillips and the church has done. What is attributed to Phillips about Islam is FAR, FAR less offensive than the content of his webpage RFW. Yes, resounding FLUNK on the sanity test. Pass on the test this post posed. This blog has been about truth from day one – and there is no more painstakingly accurate site on the subject of Scientology in the history of Scientology than this one. I never suggested harassment of any kind. I solely suggested the purveyance of truth. Get a life.
RFW is a morally bankrupt caricature that has little bearing on anything. I could care less what he has on his site and I would venture to say that no-one else much cares either. People, myself included, do care what you put on your site. When you republish as true an obvious hack job on Phillips and advocate harassing him based on it, you do yourself, as an OL for Independent Scientologists, an extreme disservice.
You know, if this post were any test at all, it is a test of whether your supporters will call you on obviously inappropriate behavior. Because, you see, that is one of the biggest problems with David Miscavige's Church of Scientology, no-one has the balls to tell him to get a grip.
Marty, get a grip.
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John Pardillo
mrinder | March 23, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Differences, similarities and identities.
Have you EVER seen a comment critical of or even correcting the RFW site (or any of the church hatesites) posted on that site?
I would wager that if Joel Phillips decided to post here to claim that the anti-Islam rant was not authored by him it would be posted. Even then others have brought forth the facts as they know them (Mark Bunker and others) and they too have been posted though they are not critical of Phillips.
On the other hand, the day a critical comment refuting any of his “facts” is posted on Phillips’ hatesite will be exactly one day AFTER David Miscavige takes out a full page ad in the NY Times apologizing for his human rights abuses and offering to do media interviews.
Don’t hold your breath.
disinfected | March 23, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Hi Mike
I see Marty just deleted my last reply to him. If you could see the content of that reply, his deletion of it is very telling. I will post that reply on ESMB.
martyrathbun09 | March 23, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Good, more your crowd.