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Re: Ken Ogger, the Pilot

It was suicide, but really, the Co$ contributed heavily to the making of the actuality.

The moral of the story is get away from the Co$, and get a job, pay your bills, earn an income. Don't try to save the world, until you have saved yourself. For all those in the Sea Org passing 60, get out, earn some money while you still can. Prepare for old age.

I've heard it said by some that he damaged his health and personal affairs by spending too much time in abstraction - auditing, thinking, etc. What do you think about that? True/false?

He looks like a great guy. You can see a nice nature in his open and warm expressions in photos of him. His mother looks like a nice person too.

עליה השלום




 
Re: Ken Ogger, the Pilot

I've heard it said by some that he damaged his health and personal affairs by spending too much time in abstraction - auditing, thinking, etc. What do you think about that? True/false?

He looks like a great guy. You can see a nice nature in his open and warm expressions in photos of him. His mother looks like a nice person too.

עליה השלום





I **think** that he bought the mind over matter BS of the LRH / Co$ --way too much, much like the OT7s and 8s dying of cancer.

He was in a coma for about 6 months because he had his gut split. For a great deal of his life he smoked like a chimney. Simple mechanical doctor things could have prevented his ever going into a coma. He never worked again after the coma - for money, that is.

The life threatening events happened after his wife left him, ratted on him to the Co$, and (my presumption) they (the Co$) got him fired from his six figure job at Chase doing geek stuff with software.

His writing regarding the Co$ was brilliant for the time. He was like Robin Hood or the Scarlet Pimpernel. -- too elusive for the Co$ to find.

To give those unfamiliar with the Pilot some idea of his influence, go to the OP on this thread that Paul, Dull Old Fart, just linked to:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?22186-The-Train-GPMs
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I've had dear friends say that when getting offended or hurt by things on a chatboard it is time to back away from the keyboard and take a little breather.

One extreme says an online chatboard is more real and serious than most anything else in real life and the extreme of the other side says it is merely words typed on a screen by a stranger.............as with most things, perhaps the truth is somewhere between the extremes.
. . . (Snipped) . . .

'Tis true, when eyeball to eyeball, one hears the voice inflection and intonation along with seeing the expression of the eyes and body language . . . and the fun or invective intended.

Though invective is easily recognized in writing when it is present and intended to cause trouble . . . and to be blunt, decent people recognize it and it's seen for what it is and actually ignored as such.

R
 
Re: What Does it Mean to Say That Something Works or That Something Doesn't Work?

Shabbat Shalom! Smila, I am not familiar with Lilly's system but the concepts which you put forth above are very real to me. They produce a "feel good" feeling in me, similar to another system I describe below.

Glad it gave you a good feeling!

Our biggest area of disagreement seems to be over whether or not spirits compulsively manufacture pictures of every moment of their existence. Hubbard said that they do, 24 pictures every second with each picture containing 57 perceptics. At the time I read this, I was believing everything which Hubbard said automatically without critically examining it.

In my real experience, I am not able to discern that there are 24 pictures per second of my entire spiritual existence nor can I recall 57 perceptics in any of my pictures. I can look at an incident, say attending a high school dance and being nervous about meeting girls. The incident definitely has some pictures in it - a ten minute incident may have 20 or 30 pictures but Hubbard is saying that it has14,400 picures. I may recall the 5 common perceptics plus perhaps another 5 or 10 additional perceptics. 57 perceptics from a given picture is not real to me.

I have no idea whether what Hubbard says is true as regards compulsive taking of pictures being done by spirits. If asked to state an opinion, my opinion would be that some pictures are made automatically but that Hubbard has overstated by far the number of pictures made as well as the amount of data content in each picture. I do believe that an incident is made up of chronologically ordered pictures which contain the thoughts and emotions of the spirit superimposed into the pictures. That's what it feels like to me and is just an opinion, nothing more.

When we get beyond this picture thing, there is mostly agreement between us. Furthermore, whether or not pictures are being compulsively made is not a major component in my system of belief. Therefore, I track very well with what you are saying.

I won't say more about the topic of pictures, as it's not really my area of interest, but I do understand what you're saying.

A lot of people in the circles I am now involved with are breaking thought into two components, analytical thought coming from the conscious mind and heartfelt thought, which is supposed to be a higher form thought coming from one's "heart". The way these people are using "heart", heart is really a synonym for the spirit.

That's a very big and very positive step forward from Hubbard's conception. Personally, I would'nt define what comes from the heart as thought, but in any case, it's a step forward from Hubbard's position. I came to the conclusion many years ago that it can be useful to look at the 'conscious mind' as being an 'organ of discrimination' which has the function of seeing the differences and similarities of things, orders of magnitude, relative importances, etc, whilst the heart is an 'organ of resolution and integration.' To be a bit flippant, you could say that the 'conscious mind' asks questions, and the heart provides the answers :) I would say that the 'conscious mind' works in the realm of knowledge, whilst the heart works in the realm of wisdom. Mental processes are quite rough, strong, and 'electrical' in nature, whilst the processes of the heart are very subtle, refined, and essentially non-verbal . The ability to listen to the heart is an aquired skill for most people. It's often not developed until late on in life. Children can do it, but the ability tends to get lost at about seven years of age, as 'education' generally ignores and devalues it. The 'conscious mind' is a marvelous thing, but it has limitations. For instance, it can't love. It can form attachments, which some might confuse with love, but it's not love - it's a posture, a gestalt. Real love is beyond definition, but the closest I can get to putting it into words, is 'a total acceptance, an allowing, and a joyful state of awe-filled reverence - independent of relationship type, towards another being.' That's not it, but it's nodding in the right direction :) Words are not very useful when it comes to love... Better to just love - without a definition!

If a person has the mind and heart in a state of harmonious partnership and agreement they'll do OK.

This is a very simple concept, perhaps too simple but it "feels" right.

Simple is good!

Lakey


Thanks again for your reply, all the best, Smilla.
 
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Re: Ken Ogger, the Pilot

I **think** that he bought the mind over matter BS of the LRH / Co$ --way too much, much like the OT7s and 8s dying of cancer.

He was in a coma for about 6 months because he had his gut split. For a great deal of his life he smoked like a chimney. Simple mechanical doctor things could have prevented his ever going into a coma. He never worked again after the coma - for money, that is.

The life threatening events happened after his wife left him, ratted on him to the Co$, and (my presumption) they (the Co$) got him fired from his six figure job at Chase doing geek stuff with software.

His writing regarding the Co$ was brilliant for the time. He was like Robin Hood or the Scarlet Pimpernel. -- too elusive for the Co$ to find.

To give those unfamiliar with the Pilot some idea of his influence, go to the OP on this thread that Paul, Dull Old Fart, just linked to:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?22186-The-Train-GPMs

Thanks very much for your insights. I did systematically read all his stuff a few years ago, and I'm glad I did. He said a lot of very good and useful things that needed to be said - IMO.

Gone from this realm, but not forgotten.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

... My feeling is this thread is a sanctuary from the "ain't it awful" that fills the internet about Scientology. ...

The church & history of scientology certainly warrant criticism. My own preference is for rational criticism. Simple vituperation & invective strike me as not only unpleasant but genuinely pointless. I don't really much care what some anonymous bozo on the web has chosen as a target for his personal object of hatred.

Nor is vicious speech an impressive skill, reason is. Unfortunately any idiot with simple linguistic skills can vituperate others in a public forum. Comparatively few have the insight & intelligence necessary to frame cogent reasonable arguments.

There's plenty of discussion threads & fora on the internet already for those who simply enjoy wallowing in nasty behavior. It's really not too much to desire that a more civil tone be recognized & respected in a few places for those interested in more intelligent speech. Afterall, that is a part of the normal civility which at one time was expected of adult behavior.


Mark A. Baker
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I've had dear friends say that when getting offended or hurt by things on a chatboard it is time to back away from the keyboard and take a little breather.

One extreme says an online chatboard is more real and serious than most anything else in real life and the extreme of the other side says it is merely words typed on a screen by a stranger.............as with most things, perhaps the truth is somewhere between the extremes.

Anybody got a good recipe they would be willing to share ?

And, again, CO I directed nothing at you on a personal level. I do get some people are not going to like my posts or me

IMO interacting on the net is quite similar to real life. Manners, etiquette and ARCU rule. Or should IMO. Or alternative statements of such ideas.

Of course comm is less easily grasped in the fullesst extent in that as Roger points out body language etc is not so easily percieved. However as a balance one at a slower pace one can craft one's language better.

And one can always ask for clarification. Here the slow speed o0f forums is a disadvantage, but it can be done.

It is much easier to trash and insult people on the net as no one is there!!! Thus it pays to disregard knee kick attacks and ad hominem insults and so on, or at least place less weight on them. Full on critical debates are
a different caregory and resemble real life interaction. Again IMO.
 
Re: Ken Ogger, the Pilot

I **think** that he bought the mind over matter BS of the LRH / Co$ --way too much, much like the OT7s and 8s dying of cancer.

He was in a coma for about 6 months because he had his gut split. For a great deal of his life he smoked like a chimney. Simple mechanical doctor things could have prevented his ever going into a coma. He never worked again after the coma - for money, that is.

The life threatening events happened after his wife left him, ratted on him to the Co$, and (my presumption) they (the Co$) got him fired from his six figure job at Chase doing geek stuff with software.

His writing regarding the Co$ was brilliant for the time. He was like Robin Hood or the Scarlet Pimpernel. -- too elusive for the Co$ to find.

To give those unfamiliar with the Pilot some idea of his influence, go to the OP on this thread that Paul, Dull Old Fart, just linked to:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?22186-The-Train-GPMs

I've read all years of Pilot posts and am an admirer. Also read almost all else he wrote.

Back then once his identity was known he was very much at risk from CO$.
He was almost a voice alone.

I have friends who knew him well
who also thought his final action was suicide.

The key point is his posts on how he was hospitalised. He cites an OSA op with Rohypnol or similar and being buggared by a drug laden broomstick
and implants from a TV.

Best I know only his statements are on the record about this. Can't recall how soon after this he was admitted to hospital, or any statements re hospital records on the events he described.

After this it seems his only interest was his wish for CO$ reformation and associated actions. I can understand his putting aside other personal survival considerations in order to persue his goals. One can also see he didn't nesesarily follow the best path for this.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Seeing the notice about Carrol Shelby's death at 89 caused me
to think. It brought a question to mind. What is the cut-off age
for calling death of natural causes?

Statistically, is someone who dies past the age of eighty still
included in cause of death charts? Example: George Burns lived
well past 100. He smoked cigars. Does his death still fall into
"tobacco related" since he lived that long?

Just curious.

:coolwink:
 
Re: What Does it Mean to Say That Something Works or That Something Doesn't Work?

Thanks again for your reply, all the best, Smilla.

Smila, I really like this quote of yours - " I would say that the 'conscious mind' works in the realm of knowledge, whilst the heart works in the realm of wisdom.' I'll make a point of showing this to my metaphysically oriented friends.

I believe that the discussion which we have had on this thread is very revealing and illustrates how short sided Hubbard's edict was and is about not discussing Hubbard's tech with other people. That type of mandate goes against everything which I ever held dear. As the outpoints in C of S started to mount up like a snow bank after a long storm, this mandate designed to force Scientologists not to communicate when the subject was touted as increasing people's communication abilities became impossible to ignore.

BTW - I read Hebrew characters and I know that your byline says Shabat Sholom which wishes a person a happy and peaceful Sabbath, right?
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Hey, Toady's fun! . . . . . . though I can well understand you may not be partial to his poking fun at you or at your expense, Lakey, look at the lighter side of it . . . . he notices you!

Better than being ignored, no?:biggrin:

:dieslaughing::dieslaughing:

R

I appreciate your advice, Rog. However, I believe that my post discussing the merits of the IGNORE button was the correct thing to write. When I put him on IGNORE about 5 months ago, he was following up every single post which I made with comments which were not just poking fun at me, rather they were designed to degrade me, make a laughing stock of me and bring me down in the eyes of every poster on ESMB.

I made huge efforts to communicate with him and reach a meeting of the minds. His response was to "dis" me even more severely. The straw that broke the camel's back was the last post of his I ever read where he stated that my posts were so trite that he hardly ever read them but he happened to read this latest one and it was so bad that he absolutely had to reply to set the record straight.

The actual truth was that had written an extremely negative comment right after every single post I had made on that thread as well as this thread and yet he claimed that he almost never read my posts.

The lighter side of it my be that "he notices me" but an even lighter side is that by having him on IGNORE, I don't have to notice him.
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Here is a Copy - Paste of Toad's last post:

Originally Posted by Auditor's Toad
I've had dear friends say that when getting offended or hurt by things on a chatboard it is time to back away from the keyboard and take a little breather.

One extreme says an online chatboard is more real and serious than most anything else in real life and the extreme of the other side says it is merely words typed on a screen by a stranger.............as with most things, perhaps the truth is somewhere between the extremes.

Anybody got a good recipe they would be willing to share ?
Yes, just post your opinions on what you believe and don't waste your time writiing bashing and degrading comments about Lakey after nearly every post he writes.

And, again, CO I directed nothing at you on a personal level. I do get some people are not going to like my posts or me

I liked you when we first met and after our 2nd and 3rd meetings. Of course if you attempt to attack, bash and degrade me after every post I make, you would expect that I would no longer like you or your posts.


Toady's first paragraph is remarkaby inept. Toady, no matter what I write, comes on after nearly every post of mine and makes an effort to degrade me. He suggests that if I am getting offended or hurt then I should take a breather from posting.

My solution makes infinitely more sense, I just put him on IGNORE, never comment on him or what he writes and continue writing as if he doesn't exist.

What is wrong with that? It is a total win-win situation. Toady is never dissed or invalidated by me and is free to write whatever he wants to write. Either one of us can continue to post or take a breather as we see fit.

It seems from Toady's paragraph #1 that he wants me to take a breather from posting and figures that by attempting to bash me and degrade me after each of my posts, I will start to feel hurt and invalidated and that will lead me take a breather.

He can't see the simplicity of my solution and thus composes his remaining paragraphs, introducing further complexities and asking others for suggestions as to how he can get me to stop posting.
Lakey
 
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Re: What Does it Mean to Say That Something Works or That Something Doesn't Work?

Smila, I really like this quote of yours - " I would say that the 'conscious mind' works in the realm of knowledge, whilst the heart works in the realm of wisdom.' I'll make a point of showing this to my metaphysically oriented friends.

I believe that the discussion which we have had on this thread is very revealing and illustrates how short sided Hubbard's edict was and is about not discussing Hubbard's tech with other people. That type of mandate goes against everything which I ever held dear. As the outpoints in C of S started to mount up like a snow bank after a long storm, this mandate designed to force Scientologists not to communicate when the subject was touted as increasing people's communication abilities became impossible to ignore.

BTW - I read Hebrew characters and I know that your byline says Shabat Sholom which wishes a person a happy and peaceful Sabbath, right?
Lakey

Thanks Lakey, all the best. :)
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Here is a Copy - Paste of Toad's last post:

Originally Posted by Auditor's Toad
I've had dear friends say that when getting offended or hurt by things on a chatboard it is time to back away from the keyboard and take a little breather.

One extreme says an online chatboard is more real and serious than most anything else in real life and the extreme of the other side says it is merely words typed on a screen by a stranger.............as with most things, perhaps the truth is somewhere between the extremes.

Anybody got a good recipe they would be willing to share ?
Yes, just post your opinions on what you believe and don't waste your time writiing bashing and degrading comments about Lakey after nearly every post he writes.

And, again, CO I directed nothing at you on a personal level. I do get some people are not going to like my posts or me

I liked you when we first met and after our 2nd and 3rd meetings. Of course if you attempt to attack, bash and degrade me after every post I make, you would expect that I would no longer like you or your posts.


Toady's first paragraph is remarkaby inept. Toady, no matter what I write, comes on after nearly every post of mine and makes an effort to degrade me. He suggests that if I am getting offended or hurt then I should take a breather from posting.

My solution makes infinitely more sense, I just put him on IGNORE, never comment on him or what he writes and continue writing as if he doesn't exist.

What is wrong with that? It is a total win-win situation. Toady is never dissed or invalidated by me and is free to write whatever he wants to write. Either one of us can continue to post or take a breather as we see fit.

It seems from Toady's paragraph #1 that he wants me to take a breather from posting and figures that by attempting to bash me and degrade me after each of my posts, I will start to feel hurt and invalidated and that will lead me take a breather.

He can't see the simplicity of my solution and thus composes his remaining paragraphs, introducing further complexities and asking others for suggestions as to how he can get me to stop posting.
Lakey

[ Anyone else see some contradictions in what I bolded above in his post I quote ? Like, if he really had me on ignore then how can he quote what I said that wasn't quoted by other posters ? Lakey, please, try being honest... it'll help you a lot ! ]

When I write a general post that is not addressed to him Lakey somehow has managed to put himself center stage & leading character in some kind of play that doesn't exist.

Folks, read my post in it's original context ( and the posts right above it ) and see if anyone else besides Lakey sees it as somehow talking about him in particular.

And Lakey I know you are extremely proud of this this thread and on ESMB it has brought valuable information to people recovering from the cult ( although those post were by others , not you ). ESMB serves a valuable function to people who have left the cult. The Apollo thread had lots of posts and lots of views. On ESMB that is a big deal just remember that scn is a relatively small group and we X's, therefore are also a relatively small group in relation to the overall population of the 'net.

One can go over to eBay message boards, for instance, and find threads of over 250,000 posts without looking very much.

Is ESMB more valuable? Certainly to most of us !

If some people are going to hang their hat on being the OP of a popular thread as their biggest deal ever... well, OK.

Being Lakey doesn't read my posts they can't be bothering him, can they ?



PS - I 'll check back to see how it goes from here on out :)
 
More Shelby

as we know Terry Melcher was the son of Doris Day

Bruce Johnston has been an on again / off again "Beach Boy," -- currently touring with the band

Carol Connors was a member of the Teddy Bears, who had a hit with "To Know Him Is to Love Him." She was Elvis' girlfriend before she knew Carroll Shelby, who she knew "in the Biblical sense."



Contrary to popular belief, the Rip Chords were actually a real group, a duo featuring Ernie Bringas and Phil Stewart, overdubbed into a bigger group sound by producer Terry Melcher and his partner, Bruce Johnston. After two failed singles, Melcher and Johnston took over the lead singing reins (and most of the backups as well) and the "group" suddenly had its first hit with "Hey Little Cobra." When original member Bringas left to study the ministry, Stewart brought in two new members -- Rich Rotkin and Arnie Marcus -- who became the official touring Rip Chords. Neither Marcus nor Rotkin participated in any of the future Rip Chords sessions, but neither did Stewart on the majority of them, as Melcher and Johnston provided almost all the lead and harmony vocals. Subsequent singles and albums (the group released two) failed to ignite any chart action and the group had disbanded by late 1965, although they put in an appearance singing "Red Hot Roadster" in a grade Z rock & roll movie titled A Swingin' Summer, which also featured the talents of Gary Lewis and the Playboys, Donnie Brooks, the Righteous Brothers and Raquel Welch, making her movie debut. In 2005 Rotkin revived the Rip Chords name for a release on Collectables titled Shut 'Em Down ...Again.


[video=youtube;gtT0fWYJqbE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtT0fWYJqbE[/video]


Singer Carol Connors Remembers Auto Legend Carroll Shelby
May 15, 2012 9:35 AM
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Carol Connors with Carroll Shelby/photo courtesy of Carol Connors

Reporting Britt Bickel

The auto world has lost one of its legends; Carroll Shelby, the visionary designer and race car driver who created the iconic Shelby Cobra and Ford’s Shelby Mustang sports cars, passed away on Thursday at the age of 89.

To remember his life and legacy, one of the people who was closest to Shelby, singer/songwriter Carol Connors, called in to share her memories of the racing legend. Connors, most famously known for writing the “Rocky” theme song and the hit single “Hey Little Cobra,” which was written about Shelby’s famous car, tells us how she met Shelby and the story behind the hit song.

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Carol Connors poses next to her AC Bristol/photo courtesy of Carol Connors

Connors first met Carroll Shelby after she had broken up with the King of Rock and Roll, Elvis Presley. After smashing the front of her then boyfriend’s AC Bristol car, Connors was sent to find Shelby to see if he could put a Cobra front on an AC back.

“So there I am in his office…I said ‘Mr. Shelby…is there any way you can put a Cobra front on a Bristol back?’ Well he became hysterical. He just couldn’t stop laughing,” remembers Connors.

“He looked at me and said, ‘you know little girl, if you write a song about my car and it goes to number one, I’ll give you one’…and the rest was history,” she added.

That song of course was the 1964 single “Hey Little Cobra” sung by The Rip Chords and peaked in the top five on the Billboard Charts. The famous lyrics “Hey, Little Cobra/Don’t you know You’re gonna shut’em down” became a phrase synonymous with Shelby’s racing wins during his career.

When the song was at the peak of its popularity, Connors remembers a funny meeting with The Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson coming up to her and saying “We knew that song was written by a girl.”

“I said, ‘Brian, how did you know that?’ and he said ‘because you can’t take your Cobra out of gear and coast to the line!’” remembers Connors. “I said, ‘if you’re that far in front, you can do that.’”

Connors always had a special place for Shelby in her heart, and will always remember her close friend and race legend.

“I will remember him as being bigger than life and I will always say to myself, ‘Carroll Shelby shut ‘em down,’” said Connors. “He was one special dude.”

Listen to KEarth101 full interview for more of Carol Connors’ memories of Carroll Shelby:

http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d1/d0/dI/d3/dE/10I3E_3.MP3?dl=1
 
Re: Ken Ogger, The Pilot speaks from the dead

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[[ I have decided also to send the weekly excerpts from The Pilot's fortnightly postings here every week. But if you would like them sent weekly to your inbox You will still need to go to: http://lists.worldtrans.org/mailman/listinfo/superscio and sign in there.

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The Auditor’s Code – Old and New

(From Post 44 – January 1999)


I liked the old auditor's code of 1954. The later standard tech version of 1968 seemed to be overly wordy, less accurate as far as the relative importances, and also biased towards standard tech, which at that time was the unworkable system that we now know of as "quickies". It certainly did little to prevent the subject from deteriorating into a sham.

It would seem to me that it should be possible to do a better job on a code for processing.

To start with, lets review the old codes:

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First, here is the old code from Creation of Human Ability which was posted to the net awhile ago.

The bullet points are Ron's. The commentary is mine.

1. Do not evaluate for the preclear

Very important. But I use the old definition of eval where it is described as forcing a datum on the pc. You must not do that even if you are right because it cuts down the pc's knowingness. But that does not mean that you can't suggest something.

It does, however, mean that you can't insist that the person has withholds and better tell you. You can ask. You can even beg (joke). You can vary the question. You can even run a process to raise confront. But you must not insist even if you are correct. So much for modern sec checking as done by the CofS.

2. Do not invalidate or correct the preclear's data

Inval is even more important than eval. It should come first in the list. You can't make more of the pc if you make less of him.

As written, this could be misinterpreted to mean that you must not invalidate the pc's data but it’s ok to invalidate the pc.

3. Use the processes which improve the preclear's case

Yes. Or perhaps, use whatever process is needed to improve the preclear's case. And be responsible enough to find or research a workable process or pass the pc on to somebody who can if one's particular standard techniques are not making it on this case.

4. Keep all appointments once made

It is definitely bad form to break appointments, but this is not of comparable magnitude to the significant points above. And the common CofS method of keeping everyone sitting around waiting without a firm appointment (so that it isn't broken) is not a good idea, excessive waiting makes the case more solid and harder to process. Sensible and efficient scheduling with some flexibility and care to reschedule if an appointment can't be made would seem to be the most workable.

5. Do not process a preclear after 10:00 p.m.

An evaluative absolute. Correct is don't process too late at night if at all possible.

All the rules which are aimed at processing the pc when he is at his best are a) relative to the pc, and b) can be violated if necessary if you limit yourself to processes which are easy for the pc.

A more advanced case at its worst (tired and poorly fed) may still process as well as a more heavily charged case at its best. But you must not assume that the person can run on his usual gradient if he is in poorer shape than usual.

Since this is slower and more difficult for the pc, it is disadvantageous and you should not waste his time in this manner unless there is an overriding concern. So this is mainly done in emergencies (assists, etc.)

6. Do not process a preclear who is improperly fed

As above. And note that the e-meter metabolism test is not properly benchmarked or validated. It is given as an absolute and there is no data as to what variations might really occur due to body weight, normal metabolism values for that particular body, or relative sensitivity settings. If such a test is used at all (instead of simply trusting the pc as used to be done), it should be relative to his usual metabolic reaction rather than measured against an absolute standard.

7. Do not permit a frequent change of auditors

Avoid would be better here.

8. Do not sympathize with the preclear

It is important to avoid sticking him with sympathy. It is bad to give him too much agreement on how bad things are or validate him for being messed up because it makes the condition persist. At the same time, you must not put out a heavy "no sympathy" or blame the pc or insist that he act tough. That encourages him to dramatize the condition further to prove to you how bad off he is. Best is to communicate that you understand how he feels and intend to do something about the condition.

9. Never permit the preclear to end the session on his own independent decision

This is far too absolute. You mustn't let him run off when you are in the middle of something.

10. Never walk off from a preclear during a session

If there is a need, always tell him that we're taking a break, don't leave him hanging.

11. Never get angry with a preclear

Definitely. But this is part and parcel with not invalidating the pc.

12. Always reduce every communication lag encountered by continued use of the same question or process

This is specific to a particular processing methodology.

13. Always continue a process as long as it produces change, and no longer

This is more generally applicable than 12 above.

14. Be willing to grant beingness to the preclear

Better stated as actually granting it rather than just being willing. This is one of the most important points, possibly THE most important point since even inval and eval might simply be considered violations of this specific point.

15. Never mix the processes of Scientology with those of various other practices

Foreshadowing of KSW. Toss this one.

16. Maintain two-way communication with the preclear

Another of the most important ones.

17. Never use Scientology to obtain personal and unusual favors or unusual compliance from the preclear for the auditor's own personal profit

I'm tempted to add "or for the profit of the CofS" to this one. There is something to this and CofS is in chronic violation.

But it’s not really correct. The better statement would be that it should never be used "purely for profit". That doesn't mean that you can't charge, it just means that the profit must not be the overriding concern.

And whatever is said here must apply equally to the organization and registrars and so forth.

18. Estimate the current case of your preclear with reality and do not process another imagined case

Good point.

19. Do not explain, justify or make excuses for any auditor mistakes whether real or imagined

Note that you can (and should) indicate that something was a mistake. You can even apologize if it seems appropriate. What you mustn't do is try to make excuses or explain it away.

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And here is the later Auditor's Code. This is from old Tech Vol. 6 that was posted to the net last year. Although this is the 1976 revision, it is pretty much the same as the version used in 1969 (the last 3 points used to be in a separate 1969 HCOPL).

HCO POLICY LETTER OF 14 OCTOBER 1968R

REVISED 1 JANUARY 1976

THE AUDITOR'S CODE

In celebration of the 100% gains attainable by Standard Tech.

I hereby promise as an Auditor to follow the Auditor's Code.

1. I promise not to evaluate for the preclear or tell him what he should think about his case in session.

See point 1 of the old code.

2. I promise not to invalidate the preclear's case or gains in or out of session.

See point 2 of the old code.

3. I promise to administer only Standard Tech to a preclear in the standard way.

Originally this meant to do quickies and never use anything other
than a handful of processes. This is in direct violation of
point 3 of the old code. So lets stick with the old one.

4. I promise to keep all auditing appointments once made.

See point 4 of the old code.

5. I promise not to process a preclear who has not had sufficient rest and who is physically tired.

A better statement than point 5 of the old code, but see the
comment there.

6. I promise not to process a preclear who is improperly fed or hungry.

As above.

7. I promise not to permit a frequent change of Auditors.

See the old code.

8. I promise not to sympathize with a preclear but to be effective.

See the old code.

9. I promise not to let the preclear end session on his own determinism but to finish off those cycles I have begun.

This is a better statement than the old code, but see the comments there.

10. I promise never to walk off from a preclear in session.

See the old code.

11. I promise never to get angry with a preclear in session.

See the old code.

12. I promise to run every major case action to a floating needle.

As with the old code, this is tied to a specific methodology.

13. I promise never to run any one action beyond its floating needle.

Again specific to a methodology, and furthermore is in violation of FN and EP. A correct statement for modern standard tech would be to say "beyond it’s end phenomena".

If we define EP loosely to mean the appropriate result instead of using a fixed method specific definition, then we could define both this one and 12 above in a general manner which is appropriate to a broader selection of methods.

14. I promise to grant beingness to the preclear in session.

See the old code.

15. I promise not to mix the processes of Scientology with other practices except when the preclear is physically ill and only medical means will serve.

Toss this one along with the old one.

16. I promise to maintain Communication with the preclear and not to cut his comm or permit him to overrun in session.

This is better stated in the old code.

17. I promise not to enter comments, expressions or enturbulence into a session that distract a preclear from his case.

Not a bad point, but perhaps better stated as simply not distracting the pc from his case. That puts the endless unnecessary actions that CofS bothers the pc with into the category of code breaks, and that feels right. It’s just as bad to distract him with supposed standard tech as with comments.

18. I promise to continue to give the preclear the process or auditing command when needed in the session.

Of course. But does this need to be in the code or are we
distracting from the key points given earlier.

19. I promise not to let a preclear run a wrongly understood command.

Excessive. This leads to 25 hours of defining things to do 5 hours of processing. Better to avoid letting him run a wrongly understood command and fix it fast if it does happen.

20. I promise not to explain, justify or make excuses in session for any Auditor mistakes whether real or imagined.

See the old code.

21. I promise to estimate the current case state of a preclear only by Standard Case Supervision data and not to diverge because of some imagined difference in the case.

Point 18 of the old code is better.

22. I promise never to use the secrets of a preclear divulged in session for punishment or personal gain.

Very good. Except add "or for the benefit of the org" and also promise never to turn these over to Ethics or OSA and also never write them down in the folder as an extra safety measure.

23. I promise to see that any fee received for processing is refunded following the policies of the Claims Verification Board, if the preclear is dissatisfied and demands it within three months after the processing, the only condition being that he may not again be processed or trained.

This is policy rather than processing tech. Yes, give refunds, but
it doesn't belong in the code.

24. I promise not to advocate Scientology only to cure illness or only to treat the insane, knowing well it was intended for spiritual gain.

More politics. This should be org policy but don't dilute the code with it.

25. I promise to cooperate fully with the legal organizations of Dianetics and Scientology as developed by L. Ron Hubbard in safeguarding the ethical use and practice of the subject according to the basics of Standard Tech.

More KSW aimed at suppressing the tech and keeping it from being used or further researched. Definitely a reverse point to be tossed as quickly as possible.

26. I promise to refuse to permit any being to be physically injured, violently damaged, operated on or killed in the name of "mental treatment".

A nice point. I wonder if this means that the CofS auditors are all breaking the auditor's code until they unmock the Flag organization (remember Lisa?).

But in fact this has nothing to do with the auditor's handling of his own pc and therefore does not belong in the code.

27. I promise not to permit sexual liberties or violation of the mentally unsound.

Again a generality rather than anything specific to the pc one is handling. Possibly there should be something like this specific to one's pc and you certainly shouldn't violate them sexually even if they are mentally sound.
But old point 17 is better.

28. I promise to refuse to admit to the ranks of practitioners any being who is insane.

More political grandstanding.

------------------ [Pilot's suggestion]

So let's see if we can clean this up and simplify it a bit. Shorter is better as long as the important points are covered.

This is not an ethical code or organizational policy or a list of what would be nice. It is a minimum statement of what has to be there to have successful sessions.

And let's put the most important points first.

1. Process for the purpose of helping the preclear and not to take advantage of them.

2. Grant Beingness

3. Maintain 2 way communication

4. Do not invalidate or get angry with the pc or correct his data

5. Do not evaluate for or force the pc

6. Never let anything divulged in session be used against the pc

7. Do not upset the pc or distract him from his case or act overly sympathetic

8. Use the processes which work for the pc

9. Do not confuse the pc or fail to clear up a wrongly understood command

10. Finish what you start and do not continue a process beyond its expected result

11. Do not justify or make excuses for any mistakes

12. Avoid processing under non-optimum conditions such as insufficient food or sleep

This seems short and simple enough to be broadly applicable and easy to teach and apply.

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I must admit that I'm thinking of this especially in terms of co-auditing. What would 2 beginners have to know to keep from messing each other up.

Best,

The Pilot
 
Re: Ken Ogger, The Pilot speaks from the dead

[...]
[Pilot's suggestion]

So let's see if we can clean this up and simplify it a bit. Shorter is better as long as the important points are covered.

This is not an ethical code or organizational policy or a list of what would be nice. It is a minimum statement of what has to be there to have successful sessions.

And let's put the most important points first.

1. Process for the purpose of helping the preclear and not to take advantage of them.

2. Grant Beingness

3. Maintain 2 way communication

4. Do not invalidate or get angry with the pc or correct his data

5. Do not evaluate for or force the pc

6. Never let anything divulged in session be used against the pc

7. Do not upset the pc or distract him from his case or act overly sympathetic

8. Use the processes which work for the pc

9. Do not confuse the pc or fail to clear up a wrongly understood command

10. Finish what you start and do not continue a process beyond its expected result

11. Do not justify or make excuses for any mistakes

12. Avoid processing under non-optimum conditions such as insufficient food or sleep

This seems short and simple enough to be broadly applicable and easy to teach and apply.

---------

I must admit that I'm thinking of this especially in terms of co-auditing. What would 2 beginners have to know to keep from messing each other up.

Best,

The Pilot


Kuddos to The Pilot.

I always preferred the 1954 Code to the 1968 which, as you noted, contained political items not auditor items.

If my memory serves, the latest code contains even more egregious code when viewed from the perspective of auditor or pc injecting some BS about RTC.
 
Re: Ken Ogger, The Pilot speaks from the dead

Pilot'sPosts Z4



The Auditor’s Code – Old and New

(From Post 44 – January 1999)


I liked the old auditor's code of 1954. The later standard tech version of 1968 seemed to be overly wordy, less accurate as far as the relative importances, and also biased towards standard tech, which at that time was the unworkable system that we now know of as "quickies". It certainly did little to prevent the subject from deteriorating into a sham.

It would seem to me that it should be possible to do a better job on a code for processing.

.........Snip.........
------------------ [Pilot's suggestion]

So let's see if we can clean this up and simplify it a bit. Shorter is better as long as the important points are covered.

This is not an ethical code or organizational policy or a list of what would be nice. It is a minimum statement of what has to be there to have successful sessions.

And let's put the most important points first.

1. Process for the purpose of helping the preclear and not to take advantage of them.

2. Grant Beingness

3. Maintain 2 way communication

4. Do not invalidate or get angry with the pc or correct his data

5. Do not evaluate for or force the pc

6. Never let anything divulged in session be used against the pc

7. Do not upset the pc or distract him from his case or act overly sympathetic

8. Use the processes which work for the pc

9. Do not confuse the pc or fail to clear up a wrongly understood command

10. Finish what you start and do not continue a process beyond its expected result

11. Do not justify or make excuses for any mistakes

12. Avoid processing under non-optimum conditions such as insufficient food or sleep

This seems short and simple enough to be broadly applicable and easy to teach and apply.

---------

I must admit that I'm thinking of this especially in terms of co-auditing. What would 2 beginners have to know to keep from messing each other up.

Best,

The Pilot

19. Do not explain, justify or make excuses for any auditor mistakes whether real or imagined

Note that you can (and should) indicate that something was a mistake. You can even apologize if it seems appropriate. What you mustn't do is try to make excuses or explain it away.


This item, #19 in the 1954 Code and #11 in the Pilot's recommended code, was always a big one to me. Even at my deepest point of commitment to C of S, I did not like how Hubbard handled things when he or someone in an Org made a mistake.

As I recall, Hubbard made a statement to the effect that all humans were trapped on Earth and going nowhere and that we all are extremely fortunate that we found Scientology. Therefore, if Scientology made a mistake, ran the wrong process or harmed a client in anyway, Scientology was not to apologize nor give back any refund for running something that should not have been run or running badly something that should have been run.

I never agreed with this logic and think of it as a "justifier". A surgeon who replaces kidneys would not dare use such a justifier. Let's say a man will die if he does not receive a kidney transplant. He is scheduled for his transplant and some paperwork is mishandled and the wrong person is given the kidney instead of the intended recipient.

Of course, the hospital would have to admit their error, take full responsibility to correct the situation as much as possible and be held financially responsible for their mistakes.

You would think that an Organization which claimed to be treating the spirit would be held to at least the same standards as an Organization which was only treating the body. If anything, they should be held to a higher standard but certainly they should have the responsibility to admit their error, make up their damages and be held financially responsible.

In Hubbard's own life, he tended in general to not take responsibility for his mistakes, and he bestowed this "pass" which he granted to himself onto auditors via the auditor's code. It seems as if that did not work out for him personally, in the long term, and that for his organizations and auditors it worked in the short term but in the long term it is contributing to the demise of the organizations.
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Anyone here been onboard the Athena. I spent a short time on it in Copenhagen.

Nope. I was on the Apollo, of course, and also the Excalibur and Bolivar, two WWII sub chasers which were docked in San Pedro, the port district of Los Angeles. Probably a few on this thread were aboard the Athena.
Lakey
 
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