The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Terril park]

Re: Ken Ogger, The Pilot speaks from the dead

Yes, I've heard a lot of good things about Franks on ESMB. He is on Facebook at this time and I even "made friends" with him, Facebook style, and have read several of his posts over there and they seem very well intended.

The fact that Mayo no longer considers himself a scientologist reflects very badly on LRH. If you are honest, you are left no choice to see that ultimately, LRH, must be called to account for this. He did not apply his own policies about turning over all his hats. It looks as if he started to do this in 1982 by making it very clear that he wanted Mayo to take over his Tech Hats. Mayo was very diligent in carrying out these duties. DM got rid of him as he did with many of Ron's favorites.

DM should not have been there acting as LRH's successor while LRH was still alive. He was able to dupe LRH that Mayo was an SP and shove LRH off to the side as he took over running the show. The bottom line was that DM was able to take over and get rid of all the good people who he felt were threats to him.

Its as if LRH had set up this huge fortress to keep his legacy alive and assure proper succession. There were policies, organizations, personal, groups within groups, checks and balances, all there to keep the machine going and preserve LRH's legacy after he died. DM simply made a speedy end run around all this huge apparatus, totally bypassing with ease all the checks and balances which LRH had erected.

Once DM got in, Mayo boldly carried on with his Advanced Ability Center, fought and battled DM again, while LRH was still alive. DM's ruthless C of S destroyed him again and made his name the most detested name in scientology - something akin to the name Quisling, given to the Nazi collaborator. All this occurred while LRH was still alive. What more could DM do? He moved on to something else, he had no choice.

This responsibility for this debacle has to lie at the feet of LRH. He just did not make things go right. It's a sad thing to confront but its an honest look.
Lakey

I agree.

There were the events leading up to his going into hiding because of his wrong actions. DM made it so that he was the only comm line to LRH, and
when LRH asked Jesse Prince to sec check DM the folder got intercepted by DM.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

US to deploy more than 3,000 troops to Africa

Published: 12 June, 2012, 01:17


http://rt.com/usa/news/us-troops-africa-army-597/

Our U.S. Defense Department keeps tipping its hand ever so slightly when investing in these preparedness drills. What IS the big picture here. We are definitely not the Peace Corps.

This is very frightening, especially after our recent discussions considering the U.S. getting involved in the affairs of other nations, both as an invited guest and an uninvited guest.

On what authority is the U.S. taking this action? Where are the funds coming from to pay it's expenses? Congress is nearly completely stalemated, split upon party lines and not pushing through any new legislation or funding. This has got to be an action taken by the Obama administration as an executive fiat, doesn't it?

I haven't heard anything about this on the news or read anything in the newspapers. Its scary that the government engage in military activities of this manner without even informing the public or getting approval from congress.

As you say, this is not the Peace Corps so what is it? Who is behind it? What do they have to gain and what does our nation have to gain? How will it benefit the African nations. The Obama administration can seem very creepy at times. This doesn't seem to be the usual way things are handled in the U.S.. Am I missing something or are there genuine grounds to feel creepy about this?
Lakey

 

[been there]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

regarding Hatshepsut's link to the Russian Times article re troops in Africa- this is apparently old news. The Russian Times cites the Army Times as its reference - if one goes there there is no current news re this. If one searches the site the results are from Oct 2011. I didn't go further but it could be that this news refers to Somalia.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: linking to articles

aha - a rebel without a pause?

AS for "censorship" au contraire mon vieux, I merely asked you to post the link so that people can a) read the article in the place it was produced so that those who worked can receive the credit/kudos/ad revenue for their work b) be sure they are reading the whole article.

Nothing censored.

Though I find your justification for doing it to be kind of byzantine.

it was something I found while killing time on my iPhone. I'll never find it again.

I just was taken aback by the change in operating basis. I didn't see it coming.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

regarding Hatshepsut's link to the Russian Times article re troops in Africa- this is apparently old news. The Russian Times cites the Army Times as its reference - if one goes there there is no current news re this. If one searches the site the results are from Oct 2011. I didn't go further but it could be that this news refers to Somalia.

Thanks for this update. Wouldn't that Oct 2011 date refer to the NATO action taken against Libya to take out Kadafi? The fact that the article is dated from 8 months ago makes a lot of difference. The event is no longer creepy and does not suggest recent crazy activity from the Obama administration. That is a relief.
Lakey

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This is very frightening, especially after our recent discussions considering the U.S. getting involved in the affairs of other nations, both as an invited guest and an uninvited guest.

On what authority is the U.S. taking this action? Where are the funds coming from to pay it's expenses? Congress is nearly completely stalemated, split upon party lines and not pushing through any new legislation or funding. This has got to be an action taken by the Obama administration as an executive fiat, doesn't it?

I haven't heard anything about this on the news or read anything in the newspapers. Its scary that the government engage in military activities of this manner without even informing the public or getting approval from congress.

As you say, this is not the Peace Corps so what is it? Who is behind it? What do they have to gain and what does our nation have to gain? How will it benefit the African nations. The Obama administration can seem very creepy at times. This doesn't seem to be the usual way things are handled in the U.S.. Am I missing something or are there genuine grounds to feel creepy about this?
Lakey

This is common knowledge here. They are support personel for some of the central African governments after the peace deal was signed. They are training national forces on pursuing Joseph Kony and another insurgent group (I forget the name).

It is no big deal. It is not anything unusual. Whenever the U.S. is involved as a mediator on cease-fires or peace deals part of the deal usually requires U.S. monitoring and assistance.

The military is setting up survaillence equipment as one part of the deal. This way, all sides can be informed about routine troop movements and this will prevent suspicions between the contries involved.

It simply provides transparence.

I learned this in detail many months ago from the PBS News Hour. I even heard it mentioned on the Tonight Show.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This is common knowledge here. They are support personel for some of the central African governments after the peace deal was signed. They are training national forces on pursuing Joseph Kony and another insurgent group (I forget the name).

It is no big deal. It is not anything unusual. Whenever the U.S. is involved as a mediator on cease-fires or peace deals part of the deal usually requires U.S. monitoring and assistance.

The military is setting up survaillence equipment as one part of the deal. This way, all sides can be informed about routine troop movements and this will prevent suspicions between the contries involved.

It simply provides transparence.

I learned this in detail many months ago from the PBS News Hour. I even heard it mentioned on the Tonight Show.

The Anabaptist Jacques

There were posts on Fb about it - from the troops doing the training etc. There was a USMC deployment there not too long ago - West Africa. Also US Marines were recent;y deployed to Australia... maybe POTUS is planning a move on Darwin?

 

[Leon]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Yep. Nothing unusual about it. They are just promoting transparency. Standard actions. Everything normal. Go back to sleep.

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This is common knowledge here. They are support personel for some of the central African governments after the peace deal was signed. They are training national forces on pursuing Joseph Kony and another insurgent group (I forget the name).

It is no big deal. It is not anything unusual. Whenever the U.S. is involved as a mediator on cease-fires or peace deals part of the deal usually requires U.S. monitoring and assistance.

The military is setting up survaillence equipment as one part of the deal. This way, all sides can be informed about routine troop movements and this will prevent suspicions between the contries involved.

It simply provides transparence.

I learned this in detail many months ago from the PBS News Hour. I even heard it mentioned on the Tonight Show.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Thanks for pointing all this out and fleshing it out a bit. I don't watch or listen to the PBS News Hour. Probably I should start doing that. Nice to see you posting on this thread again!!
Lakey

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

There were posts on Fb about it - from the troops doing the training etc. There was a USMC deployment there not too long ago - West Africa. Also US Marines were recent;y deployed to Australia... maybe POTUS is planning a move on Darwin?

They can have bloody Darwin . . .

Let them go swimming with the "salties" (ocean crocodiles) down at the beach . . . that'll teach them!

R

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Yep. Nothing unusual about it. They are just promoting transparency. Standard actions. Everything normal. Go back to sleep.

particularly when it's the US Government telling you what to believe no worries, Mate!

Ummm, yeh, watch your pockets!!!

R

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

In a controversial move that was only recently brought to light, the Gates Foundation allegedly forked over about half a million dollars to South Carolina's Clemson University late last fall, and another more than $600,000 to the National Center on Time and Learning (NCTL), a group dedicated to improving student achievement. Both grants were intended to fund test studies on the effectiveness of the "galvanic skin response" bracelets, which assess the physiological responses of students to learning material.

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Complete article here: Bracelets

E-meters might be more effective. Then again, it could turn out to be a real mess. And a call for the Student Correction List. OMG! Reminds of the M2 Solo word clearing I learned many years ago. A person could really get into it with all kinds of deviations into word chains upon word chains.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Yep. Nothing unusual about it. They are just promoting transparency. Standard actions. Everything normal. Go back to sleep.

It is standard actions. The area has abundant natural resources, and I think an abundance of some strategic metals too.

The insurgency ws interfering with the flow of those metals.

Americans are generally ignorant of the natural resources that make our country and the world work.

Someone should write a good geography book on what comes from where and what it is used for.

If you look at a high school level geography book from the late 19th century you'll find this is what was studied.

My opinion is that political geography was relatively stable back then (European governments controlled every inch of Africa in 1895 except for Ethiopia).

But with all the political chaos and decolonization of the 20th century the emphasis has switched to political geography. That is reflected in textbooks today.

Back in the 1990s I used to do some research for certain investors.

One day one client wanted to know why the mining capacity in Minnesota was operating near full capacity. This was a big factor in the economic affluence in Minnesota back then.

He thought was that the automobile industry was expecting a boom and he wanted to find out.

I checked out what was going on and it turned out simply that because of the Bosnian situation many of the mines in former Yugoslavia were inactive.

Minnesota was simply supplying Europe with what was being lost from Yugoslavia.

When peace was restored and the Danube unblocked the mines there eventually were productive again.

Then the economy of Minnesota had a slump.

Americans should know these things. I suspect that Europeans have a better sense of resources because their country's histories are filled with wars over the resources.

But at any rate, Americans are mostly ignorant on what factors determine their standard of living.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

In a controversial move that was only recently brought to light, the Gates Foundation allegedly forked over about half a million dollars to South Carolina's Clemson University late last fall, and another more than $600,000 to the National Center on Time and Learning (NCTL), a group dedicated to improving student achievement. Both grants were intended to fund test studies on the effectiveness of the "galvanic skin response" bracelets, which assess the physiological responses of students to learning material.

​

Complete article here: Bracelets

E-meters might be more effective. Then again, it could turn out to be a real mess. And a call for the Student Correction List. OMG! Reminds of the M2 Solo word clearing I learned many years ago. A person could really get into it with all kinds of deviations into word chains upon word chains.

This is really quite amazing. I hope the tests of the bracelets produce a positive result so that they research further into what's going on. I wonder if it's possible that some researcher might discover the existence of the human soul. You never know what the outcome might be.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Tom Lehrer - Very amusing short video. About a week ago, we were discussing an ex Nazi, Werner von Braun who was picked up at the end of WWII by the U.S. Army and ended up being the head of the U.S. rocketry program

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

Tom Lehrer is very funny and is able to create very amusing lyrics...check it out!
Lakey

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

This is really quite amazing. I hope the tests of the bracelets produce a positive result so that they research further into what's going on. I wonder if it's possible that some researcher might discover the existence of the human soul. You never know what the outcome might be.
Lakey

Such researchers are looking for something. In that sense, there is nothing to discover.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Such researchers are looking for something. In that sense, there is nothing to discover.

They won't find anything non-material doing material research.

Any scientific research at best can only give more questions about what is physically behind certain phenomenon.

Some may interpret the results as their being a soul, but no one is going to find any physical proof, which is what scienctific research does.

But if you mean there is no soul I am wondering how you know that.

Because even if one does every kind of scientific experiement possible or conceivable, it couldn't discover a soul because a soul is by definition non-material.

So how can one know by their senses that which cannot be sensed by their senses?

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Smilla]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Tom Lehrer - Very amusing short video. About a week ago, we were discussing an ex Nazi, Werner von Braun who was picked up at the end of WWII by the U.S. Army and ended up being the head of the U.S. rocketry program

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

Tom Lehrer is very funny and is able to create very amusing lyrics...check it out!
Lakey

Tom Lehrer! Very funny and clever guy.

My take on the end of WWII:

We defeated the German Nation, but all we managed to achieve with the Nazi's was to make them whisper instead of shouting.

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

For you folks interested in the goings on in the world of international politics, finance and all, you might be interested in the following.

The Chinese have just sealed a deal to takeover the London Metal Exchange . . . the Chinese have done this via their Hong Kong Exchanges & Clearing Company.

For those who may not be aware of the nuances involved, the LME is not just a dinky little assemblage of traders buying and selling against each other in a little side street in London

The LME effectively controls the supply and delivery of metals to the world market . . . it operates a number of vast warehouses around the world in key strategic locations in which stocks of various metals are kept for delivery to end users on demand.

This is a vast undertaking that has been developed over a very long time.

So now the Chinese effectively control the pipeline and supply of your metals: copper, aluminium, zinc, etc., etc.

Looks like next lifetime I'll need to learn Mandarin . . . or become one

Rog

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Tom Lehrer! Very funny and clever guy.

My take on the end of WWII:

We defeated the German Nation, but all we managed to achieve with the Nazi's was to make them whisper instead of shouting.

Here I go, disagreeing with you, for the second time this week.

They were not shouting!





They were singing and dancing.

I offer incontrovertible proof:

[video=youtube;z9ZbKbtMmnk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ZbKbtMmnk&feature=related[/video]