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Johnd

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My Story

Part 12

Sweating my brains out

I’m starting at part 12 not to be cute, but because it seems like the right place to start. A few people have asked me to write up my story from inside scientology, and I’ve approached it a few times and got nowhere. It’s something I want to do, but when I think about it I keep hanging up at one part of the story—an episode that I think explains a lot about me, my behavior and why I may seem quite different from the way I was in the seventies, when a lot of people in the cult knew me. I’ve labeled it part 12 because it’s # 12 on the outline I drew up to help me with my story.

I actually got into the cult in 1969 and later I’ll try to go into that and into how I think I got hooked, but for now, I’m going to skip to summer 1977 in Los Angeles. (Summer ’77 to the best of my recollection—could be off a bit. I was then qual sec at Celebrity Centre Los Angeles, having been promoted from the post of chief cramming officer in 1976.) The “Sweat Program” pilot had just come out. This was not the “Purification Rundown,” which came later, in ’78. The ‘sweat program,’ also called the ‘sweat out program’ was hubbard’s first stab at aggressively ridding people’s bodies of “drug residues,” in particular the deadly ‘ psych drug,’ LSD. According to hubbard, LSD residues lodged “in the tissues and mainly the fatty tissues,” and could without warning leak out and cause full blown “trips,” resulting in catastrophe. The mere presence of the residues could also prevent scientology auditing from fully working. Hubbard’s initial solution was to force the lurking impurities from the body through profuse sweating, exercise and reduced body mass. (See HCOB 31 May 1977, “LSD-- Years After They Have ‘Come Off Of’ LSD” for greater insight or at least a few good laughs. Sorry Indies, no offense intended.)

I and a lot of other staff immediately went onto the pilot rundown. I can’t find any reference in my library that says what was done in the ’77 pilot so, as best I can recall:
We did take a lot vitamins several times a day, though not as much as in the later ‘purif.’ I don’t recall any niacin burn. We also took cal mag and salt and a good amount of oil.

The program diet involved reduced food intake and plenty of fruit along with a protein supplement. The thing I remember most clearly was the prescribed ‘protein’ supplement. It was a concoction called ‘Progest,” which came in bottles. On the label it explained that Progest was “predigested liquid protein.” I think it was a grain or soy based extract. ‘Predigested’ may have meant protein that had somehow been broken down into amino acids, but who knows. I recall drinking a lot of this stuff daily. It was a sickening syrup. I think the rationale for progest was to ensure that we got enough protein despite the reduced food intake.

The ‘sweat out’ part of the program meant you exercised for an hour while wearing a rubber or vinyl suit. The suit consisted of tight fitting pants and shirt. I think there was a hood on the shirt. You started out slow and eventually worked up to an hour or more of “running/jogging” in this crazy suit. We did this daily and I and my ‘twin’ soon worked up to the point of alternately running and jogging for the full hour at a nearby high school track.

I mostly enjoyed the exercise. You normally got very little on staff. I don’t recall ever experiencing heat exhaustion or heat stroke, although many years later I learned that it’s possible in rare cases for people who are highly focused on achieving some athletic goal to suffer one of these without knowing it. I’m not saying that this happened to me, but I was hyper-focused on achieving the program ‘EP’ in the shortest possible time.

I can’t recall if it was toward the end of the sweat program or right after I finished it, but definitely near the end, very disturbing things began to happen. I was walking from CCLA on LaBrea to ‘the Wilcox’ (CC staff housing then in an old hotel in Hollywood at Wilcox and Selma) to have lunch. It was a sunny day. Suddenly I noticed that my vision was no longer clear. I was seeing floating translucent or dark shapes wherever I looked. I realized that these were ‘floaters.’ These are common and a lot of people have them—they are particles or other stuff that floats in the vitreous fluid that fills the eye. But this was a sudden occurrence and there were a lot of them in both eyes. The shapes looked like parts of small blood vessels and blood cells. I was more than a little shocked. I seemed to be hemorrhaging inside the eyes. I wondered if I was hemorrhaging in other places that I couldn’t see. I felt sort of dizzy and out of it—feverish--and realized that I had been feeling that way for days. But this was no big deal compared to what was to become evident to me over the next few weeks.

When I was cramming officer I used to be able to recall the title, month, day and year of any HCOB I wanted someone to read. I could usually also recall the paragraph where I thought a particular point was made. (Hubbard seemed to make perfect sense to me at that time, at least in the references I commonly used. Much later I realized that I was imbuing Hubbard’s writings and tapes with a sense of clarity and benevolence that came from me and not so much from Hubbard. You may have done the same thing. But that’s another subject.) I had a particularly good memory, could recall references, dates, people, names, faces, events, etc. easily and automatically. I took this for granted and assumed it was just an aspect of my theta self. As qual sec I often had to cover cramming. It involved talking to a lot of auditors and auditor trainees about things that had supposedly gone wrong in sessions as pointed out by the case supervisors who reviewed the auditors’ detailed, running written record of each auditing session. I would try to find out what really happened and correct any errors, or determine that there was really no error.

Now I suddenly noticed that the dates, titles and pages were not automatically there. I couldn’t come up with things I used to effortlessly recall. I had to look for things in the tech volumes. No big deal, but the realization that something was very wrong with my memory was devastating. I thought maybe it was something in restimulation, maybe I’d run right into my next level. Maybe I had some sort of flu that would pass. But suddenly a big part of me was missing. I was confused. Could this be some kind of brain damage? That was near blasphemy. There had to be some scientological explanation and remedy—some hidden snare I had triggered that could be defeated by upper level tech. But I wasn’t really sure. I was sinking far from shore.

Instead of getting better as I’d hoped, the memory loss was getting worse. That or I was becoming more aware of the breadth of the damage. Where I had been able to read and understand something without too much trouble, now I would read, understand and FORGET. Worst of all, I would meet people and next day find I had forgotten not just their names, but what they looked like. This was also happening with people I already knew—not with my closest friends, but with a lot of people I knew. I couldn’t recognize them or I would get their faces confused. Funny thing—I could remember a sense of what we had talked about, an emotional memory of the person if you will, but couldn’t connect this with the face. I would often have to wait until I got a cue from the person that would bring the emotion and shared past back and reconnect it with the face. This was really horrible. I was missing some mental parts and that wasn’t supposed to happen. I was supposed to be getting ‘more able,’ and helping others to do the same. I was very depressed.

There were a lot of other things happening at the same time but going into them would make this segment too long, so I’ll probably pick them up another time.
The memory loss has stayed with me, although it has improved some since I left the cult. I think it has helped not to be doing any more imaginary telepathic communication with imaginary “ body thetans.” I’ve also studied memory a bit and learned some memory techniques.

What I’m saying, what I’m not saying and why I bring this episode up first:

I’m not saying that the memory loss either was or was not somehow caused by the “sweat program.” I don’t know. I’m just saying that it happened date coincident with the sweat program. It could have been caused or promoted by the overheating, the diet, the imbalance of amino acids in the “progest,” etc. Could have been some unrelated disease or a combination of factors. I don’t know, and I won’t bore you to death with details of the research I’ve done to try to explain what happened. I am saying that the damage happened at a time when I was pretty sure I was immune to such things, because as ot three, I was “free from overwhelm.”

I have two reasons for starting my story in the middle. One, the memory loss makes me slow. I really have to dredge to remember details, names and episodes. I find it cathartic, but I’m kind of a tortoise, not a hare. Two, I just want people who may have known me to understand that if I seemed in the past to ignore you, it wasn’t because I didn’t care about you or thought you unimportant. I just couldn’t connect YOU with your face (or name probably) because of the damage to a certain region of my brain. I still have the problem, though to a somewhat lesser degree. Just remind me--give me some cues--and I’ll probably remember.
 
Hey. I hope you're doing well these days. As you are well aware, I'm sure, dietary abnormalities and deficiencies can cause all kinds of crazy shit ! Welcome aboard my friend !
 
At FCDC we did a very early pilot of the sweat rudonw-1973-we had no sauna or money for one. Insulated walls were built around the boiler. We sat there huddled around the fired-up boiler!-I got memory loss the too-as best as I can recollect.

Thanks for getting on with your story. I have not.
 
:welcome2:Welcome Johnd :welcome2:

Thanks so much for telling this part of your story.

I too experienced this kind of phenomena in Scientology at different times. I never did the sweat program, but I did experience some damage to my liver, my teeth (that cost me a bundle in dental bills), and my body wouldn't hold a chiropractic adjustment until I found the proper supplements to help balance out my body. After that I decided that the purif should be supervised by a medical doctor at all times.

But as far as the memory things.....I noticed after getting a lot of auditing at ASHO in the 70's I started to experience OT phenomena (which I liked), but I would get word clearing on course and F/N on it and a few minutes later I couldn't remember it or define it and had to do it over and over again. Then later, at Flag, I had a major key out and ascension experience (from spotting some things) and afterward I lost my memory and experienced a lot of effort in trying to remember things. It would freak me out when my family would talk about family history...things that had happened in the past and they all remembered it and I had no memory of it....it was just a blank....it scared me. And in trying to fill out an application for work....I couldn't remember where I had worked and when and had to rely on records that I had kept. And it's made study very difficult for me because I would learn something and then poof....it disappears. I had other problems prior to Scientology, but I didn't have this memory trouble prior to Scientology.

I too thought perhaps it was some sort of restimulation that was making me forget, but this has been ongoing now for over 30 years and hasn't changed....I still have an awfully poor memory. I do remember people's faces, though, if I run into them, but not always their name unless I knew them very, very well. I never did the OT Levels, so I can't look at that for a reason for this memory loss.

I have noticed in others, especially those who have done OT Levels that they have blanks in their memory and some having trouble remembering the correct words to use in conversation .... I also have this trouble. Prior to Scientology I had a much better memory....

What LRH said about just blowing the negative stuff and keeping the positive memories......nah....the positive went right along with the negative. I've been trying for years to find the positive stuff.....it ain't there.....I wish it was, but it's not.

Could there be some sort of mechanism that helps us to be able to remember that the tech gets rid of? Or as we get more auditing do we just get better at as-ising stuff and whatever comes to mind just disappears very quickly....sometimes so fast that we can't ever see or know what it is (I have noticed this instantaneous split second change happening in session and I would sometimes wonder....what did I just get rid of)?

Looking forward to more of your story, Johnd. :drama::drama::drama:
 
Not sure how well people will respond to a report on findings of animal experimentation, but...

Years ago, experiments were performed with fish that were trained to perform a simple task to operate a reward dispenser. At a later interval, the fish were given a chance to repeat the task, to get the food reward again. By comparing the amount of time between the initial training/learning event and the eventual test, and the proportion of fish that successfully 'remembered' how to get the reward, scientists (proper scientists, not Hubbardite loons) were able to map the forgetting function in that species.

It was found that fish kept in cooler water tended to be able to repeat the learned task much later than those kept in warmer water. At the purely biological level this is logical, given that the body's cells will tend to be replaced more frequently in a warmer subject.

I find a bit of time in the sauna or a hot tub to be a great thing for getting over aches and pains, sporting injuries and the like. For example, if you're on a skiing trip and you don't want to miss half of it because of a muscular pain... but I wouldn't want to spend a long time in one; that's like holding down the "fast forward" button on your life.

We could talk about some (proven, not Scieno-playdoh) ways to improve the memory, if it's bothering anybody still... but the most important first step would be to get the heck away from those Hubbard apologist buffoons who have no idea how to practice medicine of any kind. Then eat some oily fish regularly, stay hydrated, stay out of the 'Org'... and have a great life.
 
I also noticed I had a severe memory loss. It was after a lot of auditing. I used to be able to remember all the phone numbers of all my clients and could repeat any one of these at any time. Now I cannot remember a 10 digit phone number for one minute. I have to write it down. Also can't recall people's faces that I have just seen and many other things that are stored in the short term memory. Don't know what caused it but I am sure it was from auditing.
 
At FCDC we did a very early pilot of the sweat rudonw-1973-we had no sauna or money for one. Insulated walls were built around the boiler. We sat there huddled around the fired-up boiler!-I got memory loss the too-as best as I can recollect.

Thanks for getting on with your story. I have not.

Hi wants,

Yikes! So Hubbard was doing sweat experimentation on humans even earlier than '77? There does seem to be an inordinate amount of memory loss among former long term scientologists and I don't pretend to understand it fully.

John
 
The memory stuff does not surprise me in the least. I suspect that repetative stimulation (words, mantras, and the like) can create neuro-pathways that may disrupt existing ways that a person's brain grew (from birth through the childhood learning phases that have become social 'norms') to handle and imbed information. i can really see this if a person's brain processed information in something akin to a computer's zip-files, then knocking out a small segment could theoretically affect all sorts of other parts/memories.
Conditioning and the repetative processes imparted by Hubbard's strategy were, in my opinion, based on his knowledge of hypnotism, and his total lack of knowldge of how the mind/brain interface works on fundamental levels is why his approach and methods damages people~ why it can destabilize even the most sensible of folks, and why it'll drive many over the veritable edge of sanity.
Yes I know this is an incomplete thought, and I am far from any sort of wiz in understanding the scientific principals involved, but I do maintain that what any sort of deep indoctrination does is totally mess with how the brain functions, or was meant to function, in a natural environment.
Hubbard's tool-kit was put together, in my honest opinion, as an insidious device for mental manipulation/mind replacement, and he was a giant bull in the china shop of people's minds and beings.
I am pretty sure he had some sort of idea of what he was doing as far as getting people on the same page, that is, how to basically control a mass of people, but I am just as sure of several other things, to whit~ his intentions were not enlightenment, they were not altruistic by any means, and he basically didn't give a rat's fart if people got all fucked up with his tripe as long as the money rolled in.
I know the subject has been thrashed many, many times, but guess what? Its gonna get thrashed some more. No matter how many apologists, koolaid-sippers, and friends of Ron, try to convince the world-at-large of Hisself's good intent, I cannot help but see what a demented shit he was and how twisted his product is and always will be. Run away while you can, if you can.

Fuck you dead LRon and the bloody mess you have created, if curses exist and have any weight in this universe, then from the bottom of my being I do so curse your tortured and retarded, evil, soul.

there. that felt better, rant-du-jour over fer nao :)

Time for a decent cocktail! :cheers:

Regards,

Ogs.
 
:welcome2:Welcome Johnd :welcome2:

Thanks so much for telling this part of your story.

I too experienced this kind of phenomena in Scientology at different times. I never did the sweat program, but I did experience some damage to my liver, my teeth (that cost me a bundle in dental bills), and my body wouldn't hold a chiropractic adjustment until I found the proper supplements to help balance out my body. After that I decided that the purif should be supervised by a medical doctor at all times.

But as far as the memory things.....I noticed after getting a lot of auditing at ASHO in the 70's I started to experience OT phenomena (which I liked), but I would get word clearing on course and F/N on it and a few minutes later I couldn't remember it or define it and had to do it over and over again. Then later, at Flag, I had a major key out and ascension experience (from spotting some things) and afterward I lost my memory and experienced a lot of effort in trying to remember things. It would freak me out when my family would talk about family history...things that had happened in the past and they all remembered it and I had no memory of it....it was just a blank....it scared me. And in trying to fill out an application for work....I couldn't remember where I had worked and when and had to rely on records that I had kept. And it's made study very difficult for me because I would learn something and then poof....it disappears. I had other problems prior to Scientology, but I didn't have this memory trouble prior to Scientology.

I too thought perhaps it was some sort of restimulation that was making me forget, but this has been ongoing now for over 30 years and hasn't changed....I still have an awfully poor memory. I do remember people's faces, though, if I run into them, but not always their name unless I knew them very, very well. I never did the OT Levels, so I can't look at that for a reason for this memory loss.

I have noticed in others, especially those who have done OT Levels that they have blanks in their memory and some having trouble remembering the correct words to use in conversation .... I also have this trouble. Prior to Scientology I had a much better memory....

What LRH said about just blowing the negative stuff and keeping the positive memories......nah....the positive went right along with the negative. I've been trying for years to find the positive stuff.....it ain't there.....I wish it was, but it's not.

Could there be some sort of mechanism that helps us to be able to remember that the tech gets rid of? Or as we get more auditing do we just get better at as-ising stuff and whatever comes to mind just disappears very quickly....sometimes so fast that we can't ever see or know what it is (I have noticed this instantaneous split second change happening in session and I would sometimes wonder....what did I just get rid of)?

Looking forward to more of your story, Johnd. :drama::drama::drama:


Hi FoTi,

Thanks for the encouragement. Looks like early-onset memory problems are a lot more common than I assumed among ex scns. I don't have a good theory about how it could relate to auditing, but I don't doubt what you say and certainly won't scoff at anyone's theory. Seems to me that memory loss in fairly young people is NOT something we were sold or something that should reasonably happen as a side effect of a super therapy like '100 percent standard tech." Remember that none of the mental procedures used in scientology were ever tested or seriously evaluated as to benefit or harm. A lot of these are simple and quick, but other processes, like in objectives, sec checking, grade four, dianetics, expanded dianetics, nots, ot iii, and many others are very arduous and involved and go on and on and on and on. Could some of them cause memory loss? Could be.

John
 
In spite of being in pursuit of the eidetic memory promised by clear it seems most of us have faulty memory, period.

My ( highly unscientific ) theory is our brain in like a bucket that once it gets full of water. You can put more in but something is going to spill out.

Sooner or later your bucket get full ! :coolwink:
 
As I've spoken about for years now, my short term memory was destroyed by Scientology insisting I get off of my much needed medicine
for Epilepsy. As a result, I had numerous Grand Mal Seizures causing the destruction of my short term memory. This was done by the "church" of $cientology and I began speaking out to let people know how they
----break up families
----stop free speech
----practice medical abuse
----practice Fair Game
My hope has been to educate people in cults to NOT buy their medical abusive actions, to seek help with a Doctor not part of the Cult, and to follow the medical advice that you need.

It is amazing to me to learn how many other people also have trouble
with memory. Do any of you think the e-meter itself could also be a cause
for this problem? I've heard various theories on this, and would like to hear
yours, John, and anyone else here.

My best :cheers:

Tory/Magoo
 
As far as I am concerned, your story can come out in whatever parts you want, no matter how long it takes, and I will still read it with interest. You are totally in charge now and I personally would not be able to articulate a story from start to end. When you are a victim, a story manifests differently. And that is fine by me as an outsider looking in.

I never joined CoS, but over the years I noticed with myself that my memory fails due to one main strange reason that took me a long time to notice: Not having supportive people who know how to actively listen. Having to communicate in under 3 sentences or less before people interrupt resulted in my articulation failing over time, inability to spontaneously release my thoughts/opinions (because my mind is focused on looking for the opportunity to speak), and conversations always remaining on the surface level whereby details cannot be expressed and having to always 'downgrade' to the silly level of others. Combine that with an advancement of awareness and observation, there is simply too much data going in and getting stuck per se. Toss in depression due to the situation, which contributes to poor health, etc... memory got weaker. I know it is different than your situation. But I just wanted to toss that in. Looking forward to reading the rest of your story. I am a newbie here.
 
Re: Johnd's story part 1

Johnd’s story

Part 1: I circle the bait

San Francisco, late 1969.

A lot of people I knew who got into scientology seemed to me to be perfectly normal. Just so you know, I was not. I was a college dropout who had gone into political activism in the mid-60’s. That hadn’t worked for me personally and I left the Midwest to get away from the clique I was involved with. I moved into the bay area and finally drifted to S.F. near Haight Ashbury. I soon found that I couldn’t really get on with hippies any better than with political activists, and, despite a few moments of insight and clarity, I really didn’t much like psychedelic drugs either. I suffered from frequent severe upsets and depression. I was always drifting and unfocused, couldn’t maintain any sort of relationship for long.

The first thing I recall about scientology is speaking to a scientologist who, with his wife, was rooming with a then girlfriend. My relationship wound up in the tank to put it mildly, but the scientologist got me to attend a free introductory lecture. I recall parts of the lecture and my reaction to it. The lecturer made the point over and over that scientology/dianetics was a ‘workable system.’ Other systems had some workability he granted and listed a bunch of practices that he said worked to some degree. I remember he included astrology! These systems though didn’t have MUCH workability. Scientology while not a perfect system was by far the best. It could make you “clear,” and no other approach could do that. In fact scientology was all about getting definite results—like specific new abilities and new levels of happiness. These were even spelled out in scn literature. Hmm.

Thelecturer gave a rundown of a simplified scientology/dianetics theory of two minds. So wonderfully, lazily simple. As I understood it, the analytical mind had immense capabilities. It could solve any problem easily, was happy, benevolent, robust, creative, lightning fast and lots of fun. Its one weakness was that it could be fed bad data by the reactive mind. Specifically the reactive mind would send evil or nonsensical commands to the analytical mind, which would, good sport that it was, try to execute them and get all fouled up. I felt all fouled up at the time, so the idea was appealing.

The reactive mind, a primitive yet powerful stimulus response contraption, also caused unhappiness, ‘misemotion,’ psychosomatic illness, depression, etc. Dianetics and scientology had the technology to ERASE this useless trouble maker of a mind by locating and erasing the ‘engrams’—mental recordings of episodes of pain and unconsciousness-- that were the basis of it. Once you got to the earliest engram of all, you erased it by going over it and becoming aware of what had happened. The data from the reactive mind was then refiled in the competent analytical mind. Then you were clear. This sounded promising at first and I didn’t think about it much. Hubbard was apparently saying that you could actually delete memories from the bad mind, re-file them in the good mind and in so doing eventually make the entire bad mind vanish. Your problems were over and you could live your life to the fullest and help others to do the same. This beginning and I thought certainly partial understanding was later to twist and turn and metamorphose into several stages of revision, expansion, simplification, complication and dark meaning, but that was later. I was interested. Maybe I had a bunch of horrific engrams that needed to be deleted. Maybe there was such a state as ‘clear.’

I seem to recall that the speaker also talked about the ‘thetan,’ scientology’s name for a very particular, very able kind of spiritual being, which we all basically were. The thetan’s profound creative and perceptive abilities could be uncovered through the use of scientology. Later I would come to understand that we thetans had some very serious limitations which necessitated a constant reliance on L Ron Hubbard’s guidance. But that came later.

Also, speaking with a few people, the idea of past lives had come up—it wasn’t at all odd at that time—I had heard about it from non-scientologist new agers. You could contact past lives with Dianetics and scientology. Seemed exciting.

It all seemed worth a try. I wanted to experience scientology. Maybe learn more about auditing if it didn’t require too much time and money. The idea of being a ‘clear’ demigod who could help others appealed to me, but seemed to require a frightening amount of commitment. I just wanted to give it a brief, inexpensive try. (Later I was to gradually learn how degraded and wrong it was to try out scientology and dianetics with the idea in mind that you would ‘see if it worked.’ It meant that you were ‘open minded,’ and therefore could get no benefit from the ‘tech.’ You had to ‘know’ it worked because uh . . . just because.)

All the staff I came in contact with seemed happy and wonderfully friendly. The friendliness made me feel good and to me outweighed the sketchy ‘reasoning’ of the intro lecturer. I recall talking to people after the lecture. I remember a middle aged woman saying that one shouldn’t get into it ‘too far.’ A friend of hers had and he had committed suicide! (Shoulda listened.) But it still seemed like something I wanted to try, even if it only worked partly. Soon a very friendly registrar got control of me. It couldn’t be that bad—everyone was so kind and friendly. Honestly, that really got me more than anything. The beautiful friendliness seemed like a bit of evidence--not proof but supporting evidence--that it might work.

I signed up for what was referred to as the ‘communication course.’ It was inexpensive and short and designed to improve your ability to communicate. Then it was called the Hubbard Apprentice Scientologist (HAS) course. The fact that the name ‘Hubbard’ seemed to be connected to all the courses, and portraits of Hubbard were visible from anywhere in the San Francisco org bothered me. I also didn’t feel like becoming an apprentice scientologist, much less a Hubbard apprentice, but I dismissed my misgivings. I could always leave if it really got weird. I wanted to see about scientology’s ‘workability.’ If it really helped me to communicate better, I could live with a little Hubbard worship. I had to try it. Besides, they were so friendly. I couldn’t say ‘no.’

(Students of brainwashing techniques might see a manipulative ploy here. You sign up for something completely agreeable—a communication course—not suspecting that unconsciously, unless you’re aware of the technique, you’ve made a small commitment to Hubbard as guru and to Scientology. The extraction of unconscious commitment is repeated over and over, in what you read on courses, in meetings, in nightly, after-course rallies and elsewhere until you ‘decide’ to become a loyal scieno. Not to imply that the staff I came in contact with were consciously running this ploy. I don’t think they were aware of it. Hubbard probably was. But more later.)

I recall the young couple who ran the course. I think they were div 6 staff with other responsibilities—not sure. They were bright and charming though. The course was easy and sort of rewarding. It consisted mainly of six drills. The drills had originally been designed for scientology auditors—practitioners who applied the many techniques of scn to people who were trying to reach clear and beyond. The drills could also be used by beginning public to improve communication but the scientology auditing jargon had not been edited out of the drills. Now I was training to be Hubbard’s apprentice scientologist and an ‘auditor’ to boot. Seemed very pushy. Oh well. I ‘decided’ I wanted to learn about auditing anyway.

This was before ‘OT TRO’ and the two hour confront. I did TR zero. (‘Training Routine Zero,’ basically sitting across from another person and just looking at the person for some time without words gesture and without fidgeting until you could do it comfortably.) I thought it was a pretty good idea. What could be wrong with looking at another person? After doing TR zero for a while I felt good.

TRANCE

People talk about trance in scientology. I think the word has too many definitions to be very meaningful, so let me put what I experienced in other words. After doing TR zero for some time I experienced a pleasant state of effortless focus on the other person. A feeling of calmness came over me and I was able to ‘tune out’ (to a degree) noise from the environment. I liked it. It felt good. It was like one of my better episodes on psychedelics. I’ve also experienced the same thing on long hikes or while working on a sculpture, or even while jogging long distances and at other times.

You might disagree, and my opinion on this is still developing, but I don’t think trance in scientology was so much the problem as were other control factors that operate while we are quite ‘untranced.’ Like commitment extraction, obedience drills, massive peer pressure, installed taboos, the banning of discussion, scapegoating, constant repetition of false generalities, selection of good news and banning of bad news, wrong attribution of the source of ‘wins,’ and many other things. But later. This is too theoretical.

We did ‘TR zero bullbait’ (sitting there without reacting while the other person tried to make you flinch or laugh). Fun. There were four other training routines which had to do with getting a spoken communication across, acknowledging another’s communication and getting your question answered. Who could object to such positive things?

BIRDS OR FISH BUT NO BEARS

I remember TR3, a drill in getting your question answered. The drill goes like this:
Student asks the other student, acting as ‘coach,’ either ‘do birds fly?’ or ‘do fish swim?’
Coach either answers the question (‘yes’ or ‘no’ or ‘I don’t know,’etc.) or deliberately fails to answer the question by responding with an irrelevant comment like, ‘It’s raining.’
If the coach answers the question, the student acknowledges, (‘good,’ ‘fine,’ thank you,’ etc.)
If the coach doesn’t answer, the student says, ‘I’ll repeat the auditing question, do birds fly?’
This goes on until the student does a good job getting a question answered.

The guy I was working with got the idea at the start of TR3 that the exact question didn’t really have to be one of the two choices given in the written materials, as long as it was a definite question. He started doing the drill using ‘do bears shit in the woods?’ as the question. I thought this was just fine and was thinking up equally original questions I could use. Our ‘supervisor’ quickly objected. Very nicely, she said that she wanted us to just do the drill as written without embellishment. We agreed as we didn’t wish to offend the supervisor.

(Another thing I think started to seep in unconsciously right at the start of training was the habit of complete obedience to what was written by Hubbard and the idea that anything else was unacceptable. You did exactly what L Ron Hubbard said while thinking ‘I’m going along with this, but I’m not buying the whole thing.’ You developed the habit of obedience to Hubbard without at first knowing it. When you strayed from Hubbard’s writings, you were (at first) gently gotten back on track. It was I think the beginning of what would in time become a visceral taboo against deviating from Hubbard’s commandments.)

When I finished the course I felt happy. Things and people seemed a little brighter and I attributed it to the drills, particularly TR zero and to my own effort. But not to L Ron Hubbard. At the end of the course the supervisor (I think) got us together and asked us for ‘wins.’ He was a “power release,’ and somehow his face seemed to glow a bit. I said, ‘Well, things seem brighter.’ He said that was an expected result. Scientology could do that and more. I felt good about being normal enough to get an expected result. I was impressed even though things didn’t really seem a LOT brighter. A little more ‘evidence’ in the plus column. I went off to the registrar (scientology salesperson) and ignored all those Chairman Maoish pictures of Hubbard.

As I recall, I put some money down on the next course, the Hubbard qualified scientologist (HQS) course, but did not start it for a month or two. I wasn’t hooked, but the bait looked good.

Next: Part 2 The wandering doubt is cast out
 
Re: Johnd's story part 2

Re: Johnd’s story part 2

The response to the last part of my story was so underwhelming (no responses of any kind!) that I’m reluctant to post more of it. I will though, because I’m finding it cathartic. Besides, future archeologists may find the story of interest. It seems to be helping me to strip away some of the dishonesty about how ‘causative’ I really was in getting into the cult; what was intentional on my part and what was control and suggestion and being a limp noodle. Anyway, in part two I’ll go into how I think I got hooked. I’ll try to keep it short, interesting and non-theoretical. Should be ready by sunday.

John
 
John,
Your story is interesting. I suspect much attention on ESMB got shifted to death of Karen's son Alexander & all that followed.

Plese continue !
 
Re: Johnd's story part 2

Re: Johnd’s story part 2

The response to the last part of my story was so underwhelming (no responses of any kind!) that I’m reluctant to post more of it. I will though, because I’m finding it cathartic. Besides, future archeologists may find the story of interest. It seems to be helping me to strip away some of the dishonesty about how ‘causative’ I really was in getting into the cult; what was intentional on my part and what was control and suggestion and being a limp noodle. Anyway, in part two I’ll go into how I think I got hooked. I’ll try to keep it short, interesting and non-theoretical. Should be ready by sunday.

John

Hi Johnd,

I'm reading your thread but I am such a bad-mannered person - sometimes - I have not posted anything on your thread. Your story is of great value.

Tell your story your way. Long, short, it doesn't matter. Write from your heart. Let it roll. You are doing great!

Thank you Johnd. :)
 
Re: Johnd’s story part 2

The response to the last part of my story was so underwhelming (no responses of any kind!) that I’m reluctant to post more of it. I will though, because I’m finding it cathartic. Besides, future archeologists may find the story of interest. It seems to be helping me to strip away some of the dishonesty about how ‘causative’ I really was in getting into the cult; what was intentional on my part and what was control and suggestion and being a limp noodle. Anyway, in part two I’ll go into how I think I got hooked. I’ll try to keep it short, interesting and non-theoretical. Should be ready by sunday.

John

Lots of things have been going on, John. The board has even been down on several occasions due to extreme traffic. Don't worry, we like stories here and yours seems very good. I like it and look forward to reading the whole thing.

You're doing just fine. Stick with it, please.

And please don't try to shorten it up or make it brief because you think there is little interest. There's a lot of interest. Hang in there. :)
 
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