Gib
Crusader
"Dianetics and Scientology are self-protecting sciences. If one attacks them one attacks all the know-how of the mind. It caves in the bank. It's gruesome sometimes.
This is another "fixed idea" instilled into scientology members.
"Dianetics and Scientology are self-protecting sciences. If one attacks them one attacks all the know-how of the mind. It caves in the bank. It's gruesome sometimes.
I honestly am not quite sure what is going on.
I saw a message that said that Hubbard did not consider Cooper an SP. I wasn't sure exactly what the context was, and I figured someone might have addressed it before I did, I just wanted to add my thoughts. There was nothing personal about this in any way.
XB
You haven't researched Geir's websites. He knows what he is doing. He is surviving well and living well according to his blog.
I think he has been out for 3 years now.
As I mentioned earlier, Geir is like John McMaster, only 40 years later.
I am not promoting scientology.
I am just telling you my opinions.
You haven't researched Geir's websites. ...
You haven't researched Geir's websites. He knows what he is doing. He is surviving well and living well according to his blog.
I think he has been out for 3 years now.
As I mentioned earlier, Geir is like John McMaster, only 40 years later.
I am not promoting scientology.
I am just telling you my opinions.
As has already been pointed out here, I own the forum he started. And I have read his other material.
So as assumptions go, yours doesn't work. 'Twould have been a far far better thing if not presented as fact, but, rather, hypothesis.
And, personally, three years out isn't all that long a time for someone who spent decades in the cult and went OTVIII. Kinda not much time in ex cultie/recovering cultie years, IMO.
(sorta reminds me of something I read once where the female protagonist is talking about length of time before some guy calls her- "does he have any idea how much that is in girl years?")
NEWS FLASH
Here are some examples of beliefs that people are entitled to.
Klu Klux Klan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
The Inquisition(s): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Salem Witch Trials: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
Human Sacrifice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice
Adolf Hitler quote: "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."
(Reichstag Speech 1936) http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Hitler_quotes
Humorism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humorism
Blood Letting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodletting
Demonic Possession: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_possession
Galileo affair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair
Beliefs should be challenged, examined, and analyzed. The convenient excuse that people are entitled to their beliefs as a shield to deflect critical thinking, especially when said beliefs have lead to physical, emotional and financial harm in the past as well in the present, is just that, an excuse. Beliefs have real world consequences.
Goodness, I wish I was as well spoken and written as most of you are!!Beliefs should be challenged, examined, and analyzed. The convenient excuse that people are entitled to their beliefs as a shield to deflect critical thinking, especially when said beliefs have lead to physical, emotional and financial harm in the past as well in the present, is just that, an excuse. Beliefs have real world consequences.
Goodness, I wish I was as well spoken and written as most of you are!!
I'm gonna memorize that and use it when my friends say "People can believe what ever they want to I don't care"
THANK YOU!
Those aren't just beliefs, they are criminal and immoral actions.
Do let me know when non CofS Scn'ists start doing stuff like that, won't you?
Same here!!The qualifier is key here - as long as they don't hurt anybody in the process.
Obviously organized Scientology very much violates that because it DOES consistently harm people in the following of their beliefs (Hubbard's nonsensical paradigm).
Sorry but you are making a strawman argument here. You say "Here are some examples of beliefs that people are entitled to" and then list horrible actions that people have taken or list groups that have done horrible things.NEWS FLASH
Here are some examples of beliefs that people are entitled to.
Klu Klux Klan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
The Inquisition(s): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Salem Witch Trials: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
Human Sacrifice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice
Adolf Hitler quote: "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."
(Reichstag Speech 1936) http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Hitler_quotes
Humorism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humorism
Blood Letting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodletting
Demonic Possession: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_possession
Galileo affair: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair
Beliefs should be challenged, examined, and analyzed. The convenient excuse that people are entitled to their beliefs as a shield to deflect critical thinking, especially when said beliefs have lead to physical, emotional and financial harm in the past as well in the present, is just that, an excuse. Beliefs have real world consequences.
Sorry but you are making a strawman argument here. You say "Here are some examples of beliefs that people are entitled to" and then list horrible actions that people have taken or list groups that have done horrible things.
Those are actions and, no, people are not "entitled" to take those actions. Today, in most civilized nations, there are laws that protect people but even where there are no laws, we still don't think people are "entitled" to take those actions.
You didn't address beliefs in any honest way. Yes, beliefs can "have real world consequences" but not necessarily. Beliefs have consequences only if acted upon. But then you are talking about actions, not belief. Belief, by itself, does nothing except, perhaps, damage the person holding the belief.
Bill