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Not legally, bizzare testimony about the cultic nature of the Nazis was suppressed by the prosecution, to prevent them escaping the death penalty by pleading insanity.
Indeed.
Not legally, bizzare testimony about the cultic nature of the Nazis was suppressed by the prosecution, to prevent them escaping the death penalty by pleading insanity.
I like many others wait forlornly for Goldenrod to drop through my letter box.
I've been taken off call in lists and mailing lists.
OSA has a file on me.
OSA has personally knocked on my door and the doors of friends.
So whats the price of tea in China? What are you waffling on about?
That is your golden rod. No need to wait any more - if they dead file you, it's a done deal. Kinda like the "not there or omitted data" out point. Mimsey
I like many others wait forlornly for Goldenrod to drop through my letter box.
I've been taken off call in lists and mailing lists.
OSA has a file on me.
OSA has personally knocked on my door and the doors of friends.
So whats the price of tea in China? What are you waffling on about?
You told me personally that scientology had never ever fair gamed you, they had left you alone.
You walk people around St. Hill? A squirrel? Yeah right!
I came across something yesterday that I thought was quite interesting, here ya go:
Founder of est Targeted in Campaign by Scientologists : Religion: Competition for customers is said to be the motive behind effort to discredit Werner Erhard.
December 29, 1991|ROBERT W. WELKOS | TIMES STAFF WRITER
In October of 1989, a private detective was called into the Church of Scientology's offices in Los Angeles and asked to conduct an investigation in Northern California.
Ted Heisig, a non-Scientologist based in Orange County, said he was led into a room and shown five file cabinets filled with documents Scientology had been collecting for years. The subject: Werner Erhard, founder of the worldwide self-awareness movement known as est.
"They had contacts (in the file cabinets) dating back to his childhood days," Heisig recalled.
Many of the documents were written by former est members who had joined Scientology and were then asked to write down anything they knew about Erhard and his organization. Some accused him of having links to neo-Nazis, of possessing bizarre personality disorders, of being a scoundrel posing as a messiah, according to a sworn statement.
Heisig said it was clear from the documents that Scientology was preparing a "media blitz" against Erhard--and that he was going to be a key player, spreading and collecting information that could be used to discredit the est founder.
"The reason, I think it comes down to, is competition," Heisig said. "Since Werner started his est program, he took potential customers . . . away from the church."
The secret campaign against Erhard would span more than a year and become one of the Church of Scientology's top priorities. In Sausalito, where Erhard then lived on a yacht, private detectives spied on him and interviewed scores of disgruntled followers. They dug deeply into records of his personal and financial affairs.
In the end, Erhard received so much notoriety--including a scathing segment on "60 Minutes" last March--that he sold his business and now lives in Costa Rica. Although he blames Scientology for his troubles, it is hard to gauge what the organization actually accomplished behind the scenes because those who know most are not saying.
As Scientology's chief lawyer, Earle C. Cooley, put it: "I'm not going to comment in any way on the use of material that was obtained as a result of the investigation."
One thing, however, is clear: according to Heisig, the Church of Scientology was pleased with the outcome. And no one would have been happier than Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, whose hatred of Erhard was passed along to his followers after his 1986 death.
Hubbard had long held that Erhard, who had dabbled in Scientology, had incorporated some of its teachings into est, making a fortune in the process. Heisig said he was told by Scientology officials that the church had lost millions of dollars because Erhard had lured away potential customers.
Scientology's latest campaign against Erhard was one in a series of efforts by church members to undermine his reputation and movement.
Go here to read more:
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-12-29/news/mn-2102_1_werner-erhard
Sounds a bit like you, Terril.
Trouble is I don't know Erhard, but I know you Teril and you are a liar.
That dictionary you were talking about should really redefine 'LIAR' = scientologist
I'll leave this vid here for anyone in doubt about what $cientology is really doing.
Lawyer Graham Berry Talks About How Scientology Abuses The US Legal System
[video=youtube;qvMoSsuRVW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvMoSsuRVW8[/video]
But, can't you say that about anything? The cheating wife or husband who lies about where they were the other day is doing much the same thing - converting the reality of their adultry into the acceptable reality of being faithful.
I am not so certain though that is a foolproof theory (finding the first lie) It certainally didn't happen with me. Take the case of my wife. When she realized one lie that Hubbard told, she thought - what else is he lying about? She threw the baby out with the dish water as a direct result of that realization. Mims
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I don't recall which lie it was. I do know, when she found out DM was abusive, it destroyed her belief in much of the religion, and especially the high regard she had for the RTC. She could not accept they did that and it destroyed her regard for them.
Mims
well, you have outlined our difference with this line:
"She threw the baby out with the dish water as a direct result of that realization. "
There is no baby...
You told me personally that scientology had never ever fair gamed you, they had left you alone.
You walk people around St. Hill? A squirrel? Yeah right!
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Trouble is I don't know Erhard, but I know you Teril and you are a liar.
That dictionary you were talking about should really redefine 'LIAR' = scientologist
Definitely been deadfiled. However having an OSA B1 file may be
indicative of a declare. Or the same thing.
Of course not really waiting Don't give a damn about these Keystone Kops.
Sounds a bit like you, Terril.
Trouble is I don't know Erhard, but I know you Teril and you are a liar.
Examples please!
I like to deal in facts, I don't like rhetoric or lies, bold faced lies.
In 1969, January my Father told me he would be gone for three weeks at most, I was very upset, but hey what's three weeks? by May of 1969, I had not heard from him or of him and then late MAY I have Peter Gillham come give me the News Of the World newspaper and according to him his entire family is talking about it, my Father is wanted in a court case, but he can't be contacted because he is on a ship somewhere in the Mediterranean, this is May 1969, he has not been seen or heard of from his daughter since January 1969, she is still on the ship. In his absence, she has been put in Liability for talking to Greek boys.A major security risk, along with Janis Gillham who happened to be with her at the time.stuck in the hold of the Apollo. FACT!
Cleaning cobwebs initially and coming face to face with an old diving apparatus, scared the shit out of us. FACT! Like something from the Apollo moonwalks. Fact! to appease our scaredness, in the dark and full of cobwebs we were dutifully confined to an even smaller area of the hold and tasked with chipping rust off of the side of confined space. We had no mattress, no blankets, we were cold, defeated and withdrawn.We were given bread and water.I remember being told we were being given dinner, it was not what I expected at all, the basics of subsistence.
Come forward many, many years and Terril Parkes says to me I am amazed, I have met Janis just last year and here I am meeting you, same situation, yet worlds apart, she is still a scientologist.
Because of people like you Terril, that is where she will always remain.
At the APIS site (where you're commended for your P.R. work Terril), there's this site page stating that all members believe 100% in KSW as written by El Con. No deviation per standard tek. Yet here you are in a video, at about 9:30 to 9:42, you state that Xenu is a metaphor. Rhetorically speaking, is that standard tek or P.R. to satisfy your interviewer? What you're doing is very similar to Marty's dissemination drill, curry favor by dismissing the true b.s. that's in $cientology so it's "acceptable" to the public. Franky, you remind me of an Hubbardian ambulance chaser with a twist.
ambulance chaser redefined (noun) slang - a Non-Cof$ $cientologist who seeks to mislead the public and is ever mindful of finding fresh victims to recruit from the Cof$ into a continued state of mind fuck.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ambulance+chaser
APIS KSW
http://internationalfreezone.net/Keeping-Scientology-Working.shtml
[video=youtube;eN-CbH8Ooz0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-CbH8Ooz0[/video]
So you confirm you have no example of myself telling lies.