Lovinglife625
Patron with Honors
I noticed a couple posts on Clambake where some folks were thinking that DM did not start physically assulting people until 2002.
I made a posting there to try to correct that assumption. I'm adding it here as I think it is important for all concerned to understand these abuses have been hapening for decades and not just a few years:
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I think it is important to correct something on this thread. Miscavige did not start being abusive or beating people in 2002.
Jeff's information is incredible and it does in fact start in 2002. There are others who have not yet come out that can give many, many more examples of this including some times prior to 2002 and many examples during that period.
It may be that beatings increased a lot around that period but they did not start then.
Miscavige was an abusive thug in late 1981 and 1982. Look up what happened to Bill Franks when Miscavige removed him from the ED Int post, how he was chained in a locked room etc. Look over Homer Shomer declarations from Author Services in 1982 when he spoke of being abused by Miscavige, spit on by him and gang banged sec checked then.
In 1982 I personally saw him physically attack three top executives, including the Watchdog Committee member for Scientology Missions International. I saw Miscavige punch one of the three hard on the mouth, strangle another and slap another hard on the face.
Also in 1982 Miscavige walked into the CMO and Special Unit office building in Los Angeles where a public person was being interviewed and spit right in the face of the public person as he said that that person was holding out on money that should go to Hubbard.
In 1982 and 1983 Miscavige threatened to strangle people who would not help him secretly funnel millions of dollars to Hubbard.
Much of this was 1982 NOT 2002.
Have a look at the Jessie Price affidavit for the period just after Hubbard died in the 80s and how he screamed in a sickly Mary Sue Hubbard's face that she was to sign over Hubbard's fortune to "the Church" (controled by Miscavige). Note how he brought more than a dozen people to help intimate her and to "back him up". Here is a link to that:
http://tinyurl.com/296vce
See what a great and brave man Miscavige was with all his backup to handle this frail woman who then could hardly stand.
The examples are many and they are sad.
No, Miscavige's physical abuses of others have been going on for decades, not just a few years.
See this old post I did adding some questions (three of them in multiple parts) to a Factnet questionnaire:
http://tinyurl.com/28axzc
Every single one of those multi part questions were written based on either things I personally have witnessed or things others have witnessed and spoke about. None were made up out of the blue. Notice the questions about physical abuses by Miscavige in there. The goal was to collect the evidence of truth or falsity as may apply to each point.
(For those interested, here's another posting I did to get information to people as I was being contacted about the questionnaire and they had questions. http://tinyurl.com/ysf3kh
This puts the above into better context).
Obviously the real horror of the physical abuses by Miscavige is in what he has personally done to hurt so many people and their loved ones.
However, I would like to point out that there is even a bigger "horror" to himself that will be found in all this by Miscavige.
In numerous filings with the IRS and in a number of court actions Miscavige has made statements that he did not control "the church", the very corporations and organizations in which those he has beaten reside. One HUGE reason for the "corporate sortout" starting in 1981 was to hide Miscavige's (and then Hubbard's) controls of organized scientology behind countless corporate veils.
However, Miscavige's uncontrolled barbarity in beating all these top executives from various scientology corporations and then running them helps prove that he has IMHO committed legal perjury in courts and with the IRS. He has proven himself to be a liar here and with people speaking out with the truth like Jeff has here, more and more evidence is being made available.
No matter how small or big the example, it is good for people to step up to the plate and list what they know and what they can testify about. For I do believe that time is coming.
Larry Brennan - SME" (Lovinglife625)
I made a posting there to try to correct that assumption. I'm adding it here as I think it is important for all concerned to understand these abuses have been hapening for decades and not just a few years:
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Don Carlo said:Why did Miscavige start beatings in 2002? I speculate:
2002 was when the Slatkin fraud burst open, and the Lisa McPherson trial was going full blast.
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I think it is important to correct something on this thread. Miscavige did not start being abusive or beating people in 2002.
Jeff's information is incredible and it does in fact start in 2002. There are others who have not yet come out that can give many, many more examples of this including some times prior to 2002 and many examples during that period.
It may be that beatings increased a lot around that period but they did not start then.
Miscavige was an abusive thug in late 1981 and 1982. Look up what happened to Bill Franks when Miscavige removed him from the ED Int post, how he was chained in a locked room etc. Look over Homer Shomer declarations from Author Services in 1982 when he spoke of being abused by Miscavige, spit on by him and gang banged sec checked then.
In 1982 I personally saw him physically attack three top executives, including the Watchdog Committee member for Scientology Missions International. I saw Miscavige punch one of the three hard on the mouth, strangle another and slap another hard on the face.
Also in 1982 Miscavige walked into the CMO and Special Unit office building in Los Angeles where a public person was being interviewed and spit right in the face of the public person as he said that that person was holding out on money that should go to Hubbard.
In 1982 and 1983 Miscavige threatened to strangle people who would not help him secretly funnel millions of dollars to Hubbard.
Much of this was 1982 NOT 2002.
Have a look at the Jessie Price affidavit for the period just after Hubbard died in the 80s and how he screamed in a sickly Mary Sue Hubbard's face that she was to sign over Hubbard's fortune to "the Church" (controled by Miscavige). Note how he brought more than a dozen people to help intimate her and to "back him up". Here is a link to that:
http://tinyurl.com/296vce
See what a great and brave man Miscavige was with all his backup to handle this frail woman who then could hardly stand.
The examples are many and they are sad.
No, Miscavige's physical abuses of others have been going on for decades, not just a few years.
See this old post I did adding some questions (three of them in multiple parts) to a Factnet questionnaire:
http://tinyurl.com/28axzc
Every single one of those multi part questions were written based on either things I personally have witnessed or things others have witnessed and spoke about. None were made up out of the blue. Notice the questions about physical abuses by Miscavige in there. The goal was to collect the evidence of truth or falsity as may apply to each point.
(For those interested, here's another posting I did to get information to people as I was being contacted about the questionnaire and they had questions. http://tinyurl.com/ysf3kh
This puts the above into better context).
Obviously the real horror of the physical abuses by Miscavige is in what he has personally done to hurt so many people and their loved ones.
However, I would like to point out that there is even a bigger "horror" to himself that will be found in all this by Miscavige.
In numerous filings with the IRS and in a number of court actions Miscavige has made statements that he did not control "the church", the very corporations and organizations in which those he has beaten reside. One HUGE reason for the "corporate sortout" starting in 1981 was to hide Miscavige's (and then Hubbard's) controls of organized scientology behind countless corporate veils.
However, Miscavige's uncontrolled barbarity in beating all these top executives from various scientology corporations and then running them helps prove that he has IMHO committed legal perjury in courts and with the IRS. He has proven himself to be a liar here and with people speaking out with the truth like Jeff has here, more and more evidence is being made available.
No matter how small or big the example, it is good for people to step up to the plate and list what they know and what they can testify about. For I do believe that time is coming.
Larry Brennan - SME" (Lovinglife625)