In defence of Hubbard

[Anonycat]

I am not sure you are going to get an answer any time soon. Balthasar is temporarily experiencing an acute case of TBS.

Troll-Blow-Syndrome.

It happens frequently when Scientologists get freaked out about people around them having wins and line charging--on something other than Ron's commands. They don't exactly know why people are laughing and pointing at them, but they kinda "pick up" that it's not standard.

I suppose that could read as: B.T.s, or a modification of TBS.

 

[Panda Termint]

Lol, defending the indefensible; it was bound to end in tears!

 

[Balthasar]

The amount of effort and work any person or group puts into something is meaningless. The Catholic Church put a great deal of work and effort into the Inquisition. The result of that work and effort was incredible human suffering. I could continue to provide many more examples. For example, the Nazis put a great deal of work and effort into developing economical ways to eradicate those human beings who they viewed as "inferior stock".

I read earlier where you were quoted as also saying that Hubbard was "sincere". So what? That also is indicative of nothing at all. A Muslim fanatic is completely sincere when he detonates a suicide bomb on a busload of young Israeli school children. The Christian fanatic who blows up an abortion clinic is also very sincere in his or her exaggerated beliefs. Sincerity is only a state of mind. It means nothing. Sincerity is sort of like and is related to "certainty". Again, it is primarily a state of mind that often has little to do with actual facts and events.

People get distracted by talk of hard work, effort and sincerity. The ONLY things that matters are the real results on real people in the real world. And, when it comes to Hubbard and Scientology, the results pretty much SUCK!

I will talk about this later Gadfly. Thank you for mentioning this issue.

 

[Balthasar]

Hopefully you are not using Hubbard-tech for managing your company ....

I don't

 

[Balthasar]

there is the de jure slavery of the american south still legal today in the sudan

there is the serfdom of feudalism with people chattels of the land

actually "the space age religion" seems dreadfully medeaval wot?

{i'll edit in more with my next 15 minutes)

then there's all sorts of spiritual/psychological/socoieconomic slaverys. surely you've heard the term "wage slave"

and these huge debts college students now incur. wouldn't it just be terribly to suggest paranoid this is by design to keep young people's noses to the grindstone and silent so they don't cause the sort of trouble the babyboomers did?

and how 'bout them behaviourists baby?

for a couple decades skinner's "beyond freedom and dignity" was on most schools' required reading lists echoing wundt's thesis that there is no such thing as freedom since we are just stimulus response mechanisms; there is no such thing as independent thought, there are only "mindsets"; CoS undoes the properly installed mindset and replaces it with the CoS mindset; scientology and dianetics are, of course, utterly meaningless

so...

i haven't defined slavery per your request but i hope you have respect for some sincere response

I agree with Commander. There is lots of slavery going on as we speak. Unfortunately people seem to have selective perception barriers seeing only what's easy to face up to.

One might wonder now, how many of you crying out so loudly about the various abuses, would come to help a child being slapped in the supermarket by a drunk (step) father or help a distressed woman who is being threatened by thugs in a dark side street despite personal danger?

 

[hpm1999]

One might wonder now, how many of you crying out so loudly about the various abuses, would come to help a child being slapped in the supermarket by a drunk (step) father or help a distressed woman who is being threatened by thugs in a dark side street despite personal danger?

"One can'st save everyone- therefore help those suffering that thou do know" William Penn

You speak of theoreticals and hypothetical child being slapped, drunkard in the street- yet we reach out to those we do know to help, whilst you defend one who enabled the enslavement and entrapment of the weak and challenged for his own devious and pyschotic purpose.

Begone DAMN YOU!

 

[Type4_PTS]

I agree with Commander. <snip>

Do you also agree with the Commander that locking small children in a chain locker for days and weeks at a time is not child abuse?

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I agree with Commander. There is lots of slavery going on as we speak. Unfortunately people seem to have selective perception barriers seeing only what's easy to face up to.

It wasn't easy to face up to and some here are still in the process of doing so but once done I doubt if many will choose to trot back down tubs hubbards road to mental and spiritual entrapment in a hurry.

Its crystal clear who and what hubbard really was and perhaps you now need to face up to that, or not ... whichever you like.

 

[Balthasar]

Actually, I'll try this.

First I don't hate Hubbard. Got over that a long time ago. Living with hatred simply sullies your mind and soul.

I do note his crimes, and I am aware he had many sociopathic and narcissistic inclinations. Not to mention his many contradictions.

If you are a supporter of Hubbard, you would almost have to be aware of his feelings and statements about generalities. "Why do Exes hate Hubbard?" is a generality. It's a false statement. Some Exes hate Hubbard. And there are varying degrees of hatred amongst those that do.

Have you read -dianetics- or -a history of man-?

--deleted -- (N/A)

 

[Balthasar]

Wanna see just how much of a cynical lying troll Balthasar is?

Okay, here's a quote from his post (above): "Scientology wasn't that bad back then."

The "back then" he refers to is the time period that Paulette Cooper wrote her book.

The very same time period that L. Ron Hubbard and his Scientology goon squad criminally tried to send her to prison on evidence they "manufactured".

The same time period that Scientology mercilessly terrorized her, destroyed her health, career and finances.

The exact time period that Hubbard tried to push her to go insane and be committed to a mental hospital.

The same time period that Hubbard tried to get her to commit suicide. ​

So, yeah, Scientology wasn't that bad back then. Sure, we believe you!

It's a pity about Balthasar--Scientologists are usually so much better at covering up their lying. LOL

HelluvaHoax, could you refrain calling me a Scientologist? That really hurts, bud. Otherwise I am not picky

My opinion is that Scientology is MUCH worse off now than it was back in the seventies for example. The best time for Scientology might have been the sixties. I read old timers saying it was before that in the fifties.

 

[Bill]

I agree with Commander. There is lots of slavery going on as we speak. Unfortunately people seem to have selective perception barriers seeing only what's easy to face up to.

One might wonder now, how many of you crying out so loudly about the various abuses, would come to help a child being slapped in the supermarket by a drunk (step) father or help a distressed woman who is being threatened by thugs in a dark side street despite personal danger?

What I wonder about is how you can keep dragging red herrings and vague generalities into a discussion about Hubbard. Talk about selective perception barriers! You are so funny.

Bill

 

[uncover]

Hopefully you are not using Hubbard-tech for managing your company ....

I don't

Then the business has a chance to survive....

... a child being slapped in the supermarket by a drunk (step) father or help a distressed woman who is being threatened by thugs in a dark side street ....

Now Balthasara is shifting from (unreflected) hubbardist propaganda to (unreflected) feminist propaganda.

It´s a proven fact that females are at least as violent as males - and the chances to see the mother slapping her child in the supermarket are much higher than the "drunk (step) father" - simply because a [violent) drunk (step) father won´t go to the supermarket; that´s called logic. But this will never enter the biased thoughts of a Balthasara. The chances for the survival of Balthasara´s business have to be corrected downwards.

Here some FEMALE violence for Balthasara:

[video=youtube;_TzTyZkiQgU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TzTyZkiQgU[/video]

 

[I told you I was trouble]

HelluvaHoax, could you refrain calling me a Scientologist? That really hurts, bud. Otherwise I am not picky

My opinion is that Scientology is MUCH worse off now than it was back in the seventies for example. The best time for Scientology might have been the sixties. I read old timers saying it was before that in the fifties.

Duh.

Of course its 'worse off' now ... in the friggin 50's, 60's and 70's there were not as many bitter defrocked apostates lurking and speaking out who had lost more than they'd gained from being involved in scientology and there was no Internet and OSA (GO) was still a bit scary.

I'm becoming increasingly disappointed in you Balthasar ... you're sounding a bit gormless lately.

 

[Balthasar]

what standards of yours are you referring to?

Nice try Mick. I am not stepping into your pothole

 

[In present time]

I agree with Commander. There is lots of slavery going on as we speak. Unfortunately people seem to have selective perception barriers seeing only what's easy to face up to.

One might wonder now, how many of you crying out so loudly about the various abuses, would come to help a child being slapped in the supermarket by a drunk (step) father or help a distressed woman who is being threatened by thugs in a dark side street despite personal danger?

Me. And I have had my ass kicked good and proper more than once for getting all up in the middle of situations like that. I call it my Charles Bronson valence and it's probably one of the dumber aspects of my personality really.
I am not exactly sure what this has to do with Hubbard being a jerk though.
Except perhaps, in the. end I left SCN. not over things done to me, but things that were being done to my friends.

 

[guanoloco]

I agree with Commander. There is lots of slavery going on as we speak. Unfortunately people seem to have selective perception barriers seeing only what's easy to face up to.

One might wonder now, how many of you crying out so loudly about the various abuses, would come to help a child being slapped in the supermarket by a drunk (step) father or help a distressed woman who is being threatened by thugs in a dark side street despite personal danger?

Hmmmmmmmmm...one might wonder. I guess what I'd do is run-waddle back into my Bluebird motor home, lock the door and run to the mirror to check my cheap disguise to make sure my Groucho Marx mustache wasn't crooked and then I'd crouch down cowering and shaking behind my pearl handled revolvers and be real quiet and still until I was absolutely sure there weren't any black helicopters overhead. Once I knew that, I'd probably get up from sniveling on the floor long enough to find out that the threat had abated...then I'd down some pinks and greys with some rum and pull out a bag of cash or diamonds and count it just to still my quaking hands.

After that I'd make a wild midnight dash across the country or out to sea or something because my cover was blown and compromised.

Of course, all that would be interspersed with lots of masturbation.

I live by the motto "What Would Ron Do"!

...er...is it "Duck And Cover"?

 

[freethinker]

I have done both of those things successfuly. How about you?

One might wonder now, how many of you crying out so loudly about the various abuses, would come to help a child being slapped in the supermarket by a drunk (step) father or help a distressed woman who is being threatened by thugs in a dark side street despite personal danger?

 

[freethinker]

Unfortunately there is a lot of this going on these days.

[video=youtube;_TzTyZkiQgU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TzTyZkiQgU[/video]

 

[Commander Birdsong]

w.g.b., robed and gaveled, on line; board is in session yadayada and so on...

before i return to focusing my attention on the response to the challenge...

the accounts of events on the apollo appear to be in material terms mostly honest and accurate. i would like to see them broadened, deepened and clarified. for instance, testimony on this thread appears to imply the deaf girl was deprived of food for eight days. this would seem unlikely and this board most certainly deems depriving a child of food for eight days to be severe or extreme child abuse. it is not clear whether there was a doniker (a bucket or similar receptacle used as a chamberpot) in the chain locker. was it there, was it not or was it sometimes? i am mostly familiar from coryden with the boy who chewed a paper and the deaf girl but it is attested other children spent time in this unsavory hole. further details please...

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

the condition of the front door of the park branch library is noted

 

[freethinker]

You really need more details, other victims and if there was something for them to do their business in in order to determine if it was in fact child abuse?

You're a real piece of work. You're going to have to work it out for your self because it's pretty clear to everyone else here that it was child abuse.

You're not winning your case and you are not the judge. Maybe that's why you "bing" responses because you think you are in a position to determine for others what it was but you're not.

w.g.b., robed and gaveled, on line; board is in session yadayada and so on...

before i return to focusing my attention on the response to the challenge...

the accounts of events on the apollo appear to be in material terms mostly honest and accurate. i would like to see them broadened, deepened and clarified. for instance, testimony on this thread appears to imply the deaf girl was deprived of food for eight days. this would seem unlikely and this board most certainly deems depriving a child of food for eight days to be severe or extreme child abuse. it is not clear whether there was a doniker (a bucket or similar receptacle used as a chamberpot) in the chain locker. was it there, was it not or was it sometimes? i am mostly familiar from coryden with the boy who chewed a paper and the deaf girl but it is attested other children spent time in this unsavory hole. further details please...

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

the condition of the front door of the park branch library is noted