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February 3, 2014, Hearing - M. Rathbun v. CSI, RTC, Miscavige

TG1

Angelic Poster
Is that why J. Swift was there today -- is he the one who found the 10 minute video for comparison?

Damn, there used to be so much video online uploaded by the cult that has now been scraped clean.

Assholes.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Public scientologists attending the hearing?

Wuttt?

I am having difficulty even imagining what the purpose of that could possibly be.

In earlier trials, didn't they have their top supernatural OTs sitting in the court, using TR-O and postulate mojo to put the hex on anyone telling the truth? How'd that work out for ya, cult? LOL

I wonder what kind of bizarre ideas Miscavige and his braintrust are dreaming up to counteract the non-stop fails on this case so far.

I can't believe they would be stupid enough to stage a massive "RELIGIOUS FREEDOM CRUSADE" out in front of the courthouse. LOL

But, then again, every time the cult performs some preposterously blundering new footbullet, I am reminded that they actually ARE that stupid. LOL
 

Lone Star

Crusader
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Public scientologists attending the hearing?

Wuttt?

I am having difficulty even imagining what the purpose of that could possibly be.

In earlier trials, didn't they have their top supernatural OTs sitting in the court, using TR-O and postulate mojo to put the hex on anyone telling the truth? How'd that work out for ya, cult? LOL

I wonder what kind of bizarre ideas Miscavige and his braintrust are dreaming up to counteract the non-stop fails on this case so far.

I can't believe they would be stupid enough to stage a massive "RELIGIOUS FREEDOM CRUSADE" out in front of the courthouse. LOL

But, then again, every time the cult performs some preposterously blundering new footbullet, I am reminded that they actually ARE that stupid. LOL

Yeah they were with the John Pantermuehl guy. I guess they made sure that only those with"black hearts" were there to hear about all the terrible things OSA did to Mosey and not get all reasonable about it.

Ray's associate Marc Wiegand went into a lot of detail regarding what they did to Mosey. Showing up on her doorstep at night when they knew Marty was gone. Following her to work and then back home. Intimidating her on the golf cart when she walked the dog alone. One time calling her a bitch.

He talked about how for a while Mosey had terrible migraine headaches three days per week due to the stress. How she had to go straight to bed after coming home from work. How she couldn't even work sometimes due to the migraines, fatigue and nausea.

Wiegand also read Bert Leahy's declaration in which he quoted Dave Lebow saying, "Our purpose is to make the Rathbun's lives a living hell and to turn their neighbors against them. To ultimately run them out of their home."


The still ins, and certainly the OSAbots, don't care. Nothing will ever stop them from fair gaming. Nothing. Even if they lose this case they won't stop. Only being jailed will stop them. I have no hopes of that in the USA. None. Our system for protecting people is non-existant. None of us has a true right to privacy in reality, or a right to not be intimidated. I had that "cog" in the hearing today. Take it for what it's worth.
 
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Lone Star

Crusader
Attorney Marc Wiegand also read the text of an email sent from someone at CSI to Joann Wheaton. It was instructions on drilling for Marty AND Mosey. It contained some infamous words directly quoted from the deranged, criminal psychopath Ron Hubturd. An HCOB urging Scientologists to kick the teeth in of any enemy of Scientology, and not to get reasonable about it.

I think the word 'natter' was in this email, referring to those who natter about Scientology. The Judge had to have that word cleared for him.

"Natter? What is that?"


:lol:
 
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Lone Star

Crusader
The 10 min video came from Israel Cardoza who had worked as a videographer for cos
http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/14/scientology-payback-revenge-of-the-videographers/

No that's not the same video. He may have been with those PIs that day to take the one we saw in court. But I've never seen it online anywhere.

In fact the Rathbun house didn't look like the same one down in Ingleside on the Bay. I don't know if it was of one they were temporarily staying in, or perhaps one they lived in between Ingleside and the one they're in now in Comal County.
 

Axiom142

Gold Meritorious Patron
I wonder if we are seeing a new tactic in Cult litigation? Previously they have always used the ‘even if you win against us, you lose’ approach whereby anyone attempting to sue The Cult is faced with overwhelming legal resources and a constant stream of delaying actions all designed to draw any case out for as long as possible in order to financially and mentally exhaust any opponent. This reached a zenith with one of the longest cases in US legal, when Larry Wollersheim sued the cult.

Lawyers and the media have probably got wise to that tactic so Miscavige has developed a Golden Age of Litigation II where they employ new weapons in their legal arsenal.

Do everything possible to piss off the judge sitting in the case. This includes threatening to take the case to a higher court even before he has made any rulings, trying to sue the judge before he has even made any rulings, being deliberately and provocatively obstructive, not providing evidence when required and anything else that can be thought of. Possibly includes having pizza and escorts delivered to his home at 2am, but hopefully excludes murder of beloved pets now.

The theory behind this tactic being that the judge will get so annoyed, he will have at least one angry outburst directed at The Cults legal counsel. When The Cult inevitably loses, this and anything else will be used as ‘evidence’ that the judge was biased and form the basis of an appeal.

I don’t think it will work in this case, as I’m pretty confident that it will never make it to trial in the first place. Miscavige will never willingly appear in open court.

What I’d love to see is some respected legal publication publish a summary of all the legal cases fought by The Cult over the years, along with commentary on how they routinely abuse the legal process in order to deny justice to ordinary citizens. I’d imagine that The Cult doesn’t have a very good reputation within legal circles (except perhaps amongst that *cough* very small number of totally unscrupulous shysters who exist purely to make as much money as possible), but I suppose very few are aware of the colossal scale of such abuses of laws that in theory, exist to protect everyone not just the rich and immoral. OK, the last bit was a bit naïve, but it would be good to see it all laid bare.

Axiom142
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
The ten minute video showed a lot more, including audio dialogue of the two PIs who took the video of course. You could hear them interacting with the officer when he showed up.

At first they told him they were there filming a documentary of these former Scientologists. Then later they said they worked for an attorney, Elliot Abelson. Then they said they were PIs. LOL..... No wonder they didn't want the sound played.

Making a deliberate false statement to a police officer is a no no.

Texas Penal Code:

Sec. 37.08. FALSE REPORT TO PEACE OFFICER, FEDERAL SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR, OR LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEE. (a) A person commits an offense if, with intent to deceive, he knowingly makes a false statement that is material to a criminal investigation and makes the statement to:

(1) a peace officer or federal special investigator conducting the investigation; or

(2) any employee of a law enforcement agency that is authorized by the agency to conduct the investigation and that the actor knows is conducting the investigation.

(b) In this section, "law enforcement agency" has the meaning assigned by Article 59.01, Code of Criminal Procedure.

(c) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
I wonder if we are seeing a new tactic in Cult litigation? Previously they have always used the ‘even if you win against us, you lose’ approach whereby anyone attempting to sue The Cult is faced with overwhelming legal resources and a constant stream of delaying actions all designed to draw any case out for as long as possible in order to financially and mentally exhaust any opponent. This reached a zenith with one of the longest cases in US legal, when Larry Wollersheim sued the cult.

Lawyers and the media have probably got wise to that tactic so Miscavige has developed a Golden Age of Litigation II where they employ new weapons in their legal arsenal.

Do everything possible to piss off the judge sitting in the case. This includes threatening to take the case to a higher court even before he has made any rulings, trying to sue the judge before he has even made any rulings, being deliberately and provocatively obstructive, not providing evidence when required and anything else that can be thought of. Possibly includes having pizza and escorts delivered to his home at 2am, but hopefully excludes murder of beloved pets now.

The theory behind this tactic being that the judge will get so annoyed, he will have at least one angry outburst directed at The Cults legal counsel. When The Cult inevitably loses, this and anything else will be used as ‘evidence’ that the judge was biased and form the basis of an appeal.

I don’t think it will work in this case, as I’m pretty confident that it will never make it to trial in the first place. Miscavige will never willingly appear in open court.

What I’d love to see is some respected legal publication publish a summary of all the legal cases fought by The Cult over the years, along with commentary on how they routinely abuse the legal process in order to deny justice to ordinary citizens. I’d imagine that The Cult doesn’t have a very good reputation within legal circles (except perhaps amongst that *cough* very small number of totally unscrupulous shysters who exist purely to make as much money as possible), but I suppose very few are aware of the colossal scale of such abuses of laws that in theory, exist to protect everyone not just the rich and immoral. OK, the last bit was a bit naïve, but it would be good to see it all laid bare.

Axiom142

Good post, Ax!
 

Sindy

Crusader
Found it online. She's got a Facebook page.

Jennifer Pantermuehl.

https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.pantermuehl?fref=ts

I don't think she's a Blythe. I really have no idea who she is/was.

Obviously a long term Scieno. Lots of services completed on Kirstie Watcher's site.

She is a Blythe.

http://www.peoplefinders.com/marriage-records/jennifer+blythe

She and John are the parents of a person who used to be a friend of mine and my husband's, Jamie Blythe Pantermuehl
 

Sindy

Crusader
She is? I didn't know there was another sister. Can you give more info?

This is really interesting to me. I thought I knew all of them. Guess not.

Well, is there a Blythe male? I suppose Jennifer could have been married before marrying John Pantermuehl (I didn't think so) where Blythe is her married name as all the kids use both last names Blythe and Pantermuehl.
 

Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP
One of the public Scientologists who was there was John Pantermuehl. Again this was confirmed by my former OT Scientologist who knows everyone it seems. Plus his vehicle has signs on it with his name, so I don't guess he minds the world knowing.

Who is he? Let me try to get this right......His wife's sister is Bitty Miscavige who is married to Ronnie Miscavige, brother of .....yes....him. Their daughter is..........Jenna Miscavige.

I haven't confirmed YET that Jennifer Blythe Panternuel is Bitty's sister, but they sure do look alike.

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John married Jennifer Mary Blythe on August 7, 1976 in Los Angeles. http://www.peoplefinders.com/marriage-records/jennifer+blythe

Their daughter, Jamie, also lists her mother's maiden name on her FB page: https://www.facebook.com/jamieblythemartin

http://www.advancedbackgroundchecks.com/d/jennifer-pantermuehl/46506876
 
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