THERE IS ANYONE HERE THAT...
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Adam7986
Declared SP
Lucretia
Patron with Honors
John, I get what you are doing. You want us to give you examples per the word clearing tek, with the final aim that we will all cognite in a huge rush of collective blow downs that WE at ESMB deny other peoples rights, ie are SP's. Right?
Will you stop trying to use this bullshit on us. What is it with you?
John - If you are a freezoner looking for something that will help you be right about ole tubbs - sorry - this post is not going to help you. But for those of you who know Tubb's was a con man and started a cult - here ya go!
SP's / Scientology and Scientologist's won't let people communicate to correct their own "out points" (we call them criminal activity out here in the Wog World).
Here's some of Tubb's tech showing you how Scientology specializes in denying the rights of people;
1. Natter = overts - keeps the crimes hidden and focus off of criminal Scientology.
2. Anyone who is critical of Scientology, Hubbard or Miscavige is hiding huge crimes - keeps clubbed seals - clubbed.
3. When their tech doesn't work - NO CASE GAIN = SP
4. ATTACK never defend
5. Make them pay for sec checks when they are nattering to get the focus on themselves and off of the Church.
6. Issue SP Declares and make all members disconnect or they can't have their Bridge.
7. Keep their money through deceitful tactics and slick lawyering.
8. Anyone that wants to leave Scientology has crimes...ANYONE! LOL
9. Keep them toeing the line with family in...force of disconnection keeps the crimes hidden from view
10. Make it a high crime to report scientological criminal activity to the authorities.
When someone experiences a crime in Scientology and people are hurt mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritual or financially and one writes up a report and then gets no answer or a two year comm lag where the incident is minimized by receiving a letter back from some 15 year old Sea Org staff stating, "the individual's have been crammed"and then Scientology refuses to make up the damage. - THAT IS DENYING THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.
If the person writes up tons of reports, sending them uplines to Management, stating that the full condition formula needs to be applied to the incident and the tech needs to be used and then is IGNORED - that is denying rights to others of justice.
If the person is then ordered to do SEC CHECK'S at their own expense to find out their crimes (they are considered to be nattering and natter = overts in Scientologese) - that is denying rights and introverting a person to get the focus off of the crimes they witnessed in Scientology - that is mind control used to harm the person - this does psychological damage. THAT is denying the rights of others for freedom of speech and justice.
If the person persists with the incident - demanding that it be corrected and the criminal behavior stopped - Scientology will issue a DEAD FILE, NON ENTURBULATION ORDER - to keep them quiet. If that does not work - the ole goldenrod is issued - the SP DECLARE where the other members still in will get a list of all the nattering member's crimes (made up shit from their PC Folder's and twisted to make them look like evil, bad people) and then all other members are to disconnect so the truth can't get to them.
Another example -
The "Application for Enrollment Form" is nothing but slick lawyer-ed up contracts denying the rights of members and staff to their money and the right to sue if they are harmed by Scientology. Lies are told on why the Org's need these signed. The staff are told the Psychs send in people on drugs that go crazy and then sue...that is why they have to be signed. People are trusting and believe these lies so they sign. Also, these forms are not presented UNTIL AFTER the money is safe in Scientology's bank account!
This is denying the rights of others to the truth about why Scientology wants these signed and their true intention - TO KEEP ALL OF THE MONEY and take away the rights to sue, right to file complaints with government agencies hired to protect people from deceptive tactics used by a CHURCH. It deny's the person the right to get their money back. It deny's their right to free speech.
I just realized that this entire board is filled with stories on how Scientology (the evil SP) denys rights to people for justice, transparency, decent wages and working conditions, health insurance, dental care, family time, fairness, kindness, compassion, money, free speech, life and happiness, and benefits those that serve this Organization.
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degraded being
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THERE IS ANYONE HERE THAT...
Knows, what exactly does an SP do?
NO, AND I DON'T WANT TO!
[STRIKE]NEXT QUESTION?[/STRIKE]
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THERE IS ANYONE HERE THAT...
Knows, what exactly does an SP do?
NO, AND I DON'T WANT TO!
[STRIKE]NEXT QUESTION?[/STRIKE]
clamicide
Gold Meritorious Patron
Actually, I think a real SP posts incredibly idiotic BS on message boards that annoys the fuck out of people who actually bother to read them.
Free Being Me
Crusader
Elcon's sp's don't exist, this is a contrived cult control mechanism to further an us vs them paranoia entrenching $cientologists further into the cult so they can tilt at windmills while mouthing thought stopping cliche's. Every cult has an imaginary enemy or two, it's easier to control people through hatred rather than acceptance.
Gib
Crusader
LOL
John, I fully admit I'm an SP.
Hubbard said an SP wouldn't admit he's an SP. Well, here I am doing it. Of course I'm an SP per Hubbard, I'm disparaging his religion.
But, I didn't tell others to put kids in chain lockers, overboard people for flubbing, write a religion based on my imaginative sci fi stories, write policy on how to fair game people who found out the truth and attempt to drive them nuts, pay people peanuts for a cause, ..................
There are no "SP's" ... there are just people, some are good, some are bad and some are ugly.
It's time to forget what Tubs hubbard said and do some thinking for yourself ... because he was bad and ugly and (as an added bonus) talked rubbish.
For instance, old Tubs would have said that you are an "SP" for constantly starting threads like this one for no other purpose (that I can see) other than to try and irritate people ... you can believe that if you like.
yep and yep.
Karen#1
Gold Meritorious Patron
David Miscavige and the "Church of Scientology" denied me the right to communicate with my only child for the last 2 years of his life.
David Miscavige and the "Church of Scientology" denied Alexander the right to talk to me, his mother, as in Hubbard's
Disconnection policies.
When Alexander's body racked with walking pneumonia, and he was fired from his job, he had no money to see a Medical Doctor. But he was not permitted to come to me for financial help.
He was denied good medicine and a simple course of antibiotics which cures 98% of pneumonia, he was DENIED that right and took to methadone.
He was dead at 27 years old. (after 16 years in the Sea Org and 3 "Purification Rundowns".)
I was DENIED the right to spend a few last moments with my dead son before cremation after 35 years of contribution and decades on staff.
Denying the rights of others ?
I was also denied the knowledge that he was dead, his dead body lying in Los Angeles morgue on a cold slab, and only found out by accident from a stranger on facebook.
The so called "Church" denied me the knowledge he was dead, hoping for a "cover up"
Denying the rights of others ?
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MathScience
Patron
In Scientology they don’t give you rights, they take them away.
This is not said flippantly; it's the truth.
This is not said flippantly; it's the truth.
Innominate Dude
No Longer Around
While SP became an idea of great generality as time wore on, perhaps because it turned out to give Hubbard such a great whip hand in running Oz (and also freed him from the core Scientology tenet that people are basically good so treat them that way), its core ideas and examples come from his rather seminal article "The Anti-Social Personality". Here is a relatively authentic rendition:
http://www.freezoneamerica.org/Clearbird/guide2004/book/43WhatsSP.htm
Interestingly enough, despite all the yak about "Source" originating it all, this list of traits is blatantly ripped from (1) then current debate in psychological circles about the proper diagnosis of anti-social personality disorder, blended with (2) discussion of the personality traits of "dominant" people who crave submissive friends (in both the BDSM and other senses of the idea), blended with (3) debate from a sociology or social psychology perspective of pathology in a group rather than in a particular organism (how the dysfunctional family, class, business, etc., communicates and why this is maladapative). I've come across literature predating Hubbard's article or contemporary with it where it seems some phrases are ripped off almost verbatim from literature on these very "psych-indoctrinated" discussions.
Even though the SP idea originated with detailed and concrete terms, in time what SPs do came to be conceived as including emanating mystical influence in some radius around them or via topical linkage. Stats crash? It was a person on ethics lines who still hasn't had their SP declare revoked being allowed to come into the building that did it! Late for course? An SP's car was too close to the student's that day and caused malfunction of it! Got sick? An SP wrote an article that touches upon the occupation the sick person is in (that the sick person didn't even read), thus there was a form of contact with an SP creating the sickness. I've heard each of these propositions seriously offered to explain what it is an SP can do.
P.S. I originally mistyped Scientology as Scientoloogie - referencing snot or a booger. Is it because of all the SPs around here, emanating that mystical influence on me?
john reguerra
Patron with Honors
I would like to thank you very much to all of you here (I told you I was trouble, MrCognition, La La Lou Lou, Lermanet, Adam7986, Veda, SchwimmelPuckel, DeeAnna, Lucretia, Knows, degraded being, clamicide, Free Being Me, Gib, Emma, Innominate Dude, )
In few words I do not give a sh.. about, Marcabians, Venus implant stations, Mars Implant stations, 3rd,4th and 5th invasion force or who ever UFO or alien you are talking about including xenu and company. IMO Scientologist ex-Scientologist and the majority of the population do not have a clue what exactly means Denies the right of others.
Could it be that one person has the right to understand but an SP denies this right by altering and/or confusing the communication line?
Above could be an answer how to overwhelm a comm line.
IMO that line has been used and is used so often by the so called Ch... that does not communicate clearly. I am sorry for that.
Another example could be: You have the right to receive the service or product you have fully paid for. I fully paid for my comm course in LAD. After a week I have been refused to take my service because I did not paid for the ideal Org.
That deny my right to the service I fully paid.
Do you have any other examples of how rights could be denied?
In few words I do not give a sh.. about, Marcabians, Venus implant stations, Mars Implant stations, 3rd,4th and 5th invasion force or who ever UFO or alien you are talking about including xenu and company. IMO Scientologist ex-Scientologist and the majority of the population do not have a clue what exactly means Denies the right of others.
Could it be that one person has the right to understand but an SP denies this right by altering and/or confusing the communication line?
Above could be an answer how to overwhelm a comm line.
IMO that line has been used and is used so often by the so called Ch... that does not communicate clearly. I am sorry for that.
Another example could be: You have the right to receive the service or product you have fully paid for. I fully paid for my comm course in LAD. After a week I have been refused to take my service because I did not paid for the ideal Org.
That deny my right to the service I fully paid.
Do you have any other examples of how rights could be denied?
john reguerra
Patron with Honors
I am sorry to ear that.David Miscavige and the "Church of Scientology" denied me the right to communicate with my only child for the last 2 years of his life. David Miscavige and the "Church of Scientology" denied Alexander the right to talk to me, his mother, as in Hubbard's Disconnection policies. When Alexander's body racked with walking pneumonia, and he was fired from his job, he had no money to see a Medical Doctor. But he was not permitted to come to me for financial help. He was denied good medicine and a simple course of antibiotics which cures 98% of pneumonia, he was DENIED that right and took to methadone. He was dead at 27 years old. (after 16 years in the Sea Org and 3 "Purification Rundowns".) I was DENIED the right to spend a few last moments with my dead son before cremation after 35 years of contribution and decades on staff. Denying the rights of others ? I was also denied the knowledge that he was dead, his dead body lying in Los Angeles morgue on a cold slab, and only found out by accident from a stranger on facebook. The so called "Church" denied me the knowledge he was dead, hoping for a "cover up" Denying the rights of others ?
Do you have any other examples of how rights could be denied?
Infinite
Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Oh, I dunno. How about creating a religion to avoid criminal prosecution and making it "scripture" that rights do not exist for people who don't give you donations . . .
L Ron Hubbard said:
^^^ "Clearing Methodology" of 13 May 1959.
Purple Rain
Crusader
Well, this just reminds me how auditing invalidates the right to human dignity. You are not a harmless nut you are vile.
Lucretia
Patron with Honors
$cilon trivializing another's suffering with the tek. As Purple Rain said YOU ARE VILE.
You are so vile, you don't even get that you are vile. You are a scientologist and that's not a compliment.
JBWriter
Happy Sapien
The right to allow yourself to feel compassion for another person who suffers true pain,
instead of denying yourself that most basic human right,
is something worth exploring, Mr. Reguerra.
Please don't deny yourself the opportunity to exercise the right to feel compassion for others...and for yourself, too.
JB
