Gerry and Caroline Armstrong

[I told you I was trouble]

There are a few posters (here) who seem to have joined purely for the purpose of promoting themselves and/or their latest "cause" ... some of them pretend they are joining in with the general banter (and some really are) but a few don't even bother to "like" the occasional post unless it forwards their point or has seriously hit a nerve, they are relentless in banging down cult/cofs facts (always with evidence ... "time, place, form and event") and never just relax and give an opinion.

:confused2:

Nobody can (nor should) expect "allegiance" here based on the insanity of their cult past ... we are each dealing with things in our own way and that is as it should be ... but we mostly try and help each other when things are tough as friends do, it's a message board though and we don't always get it right.

Those that come here purely to push an agenda can't expect to get what they demand when they demand it, but I expect some warmth and genuine interest in other people and their various points of view would help along the way.

Sometimes I can almost hear the yells of "off topic" when someone is obviously and busily working an agenda ... and other posters are not doing as they are "supposed" to.

Most of us are here (I believe) to de-cult and learn to relax again and that is the wonder of ESMB and what I believe Emma wanted when she stuck her own neck on the line to create it.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

For God Sakes, hopefully someone will come along that can put me out of my misery...To the best of my recently jogged and suspect brain, I recall that it was "common knowledge" when I was on the Apollo that Franky, Frankie, Franklin and Nikki were once married and the rest I have Posted is from me memory of direct, firsthand knowledge or personally told to information.

Well boys . . . I frankly didn't mean to start a Franky, Frankie, Franklin Freeman, Freedman, Friedman Flaming Food Fight.

Just trying to have a social conversation while sipping on my mint julep while sitting out in the garden in the autumn sun.

So here are some, er, ah . . . docs of sorts that might help out.

The Auditor features Nikki Freedman

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Franklin Freedman in a short film Then

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Frankie Freeman Today

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No public photos of Rick Merwin exist in the wild.

An artist's rendition/caricature of roughly what he looked like in the 70's.

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Are we clear yet?

 

[sallydannce]

There are a few posters (here) who seem to have joined purely for the purpose of promoting themselves and/or their latest "cause" ... some of them pretend they are joining in with the general banter (and some really are) but a few don't even bother to "like" the occasional post unless it forwards their point or has seriously hit a nerve, they are relentless in banging down cult/cofs facts (always with evidence ... "time, place, form and event") and never just relax and give an opinion.

:confused2:

Nobody can (nor should) expect "allegiance" here based on the insanity of their cult past ... we are each dealing with things in our own way and that is as it should be ... but we mostly try and help each other when things are tough as friends do, it's a message board though and we don't always get it right.

Those that come here purely to push an agenda can't expect to get what they demand when they demand it, but I expect some warmth and genuine interest in other people and their various points of view would help along the way.

Sometimes I can almost hear the yells of "off topic" when someone is obviously and busily working an agenda ... and other posters are not doing as they are "supposed" to.

Most of us are here (I believe) to de-cult and learn to relax again and that is the wonder of ESMB and what I believe Emma wanted when she stuck her own neck on the line to create it.

I simply can't help myself...:wink2:

Are you outing me for being on ESMB to promote my "bridge to total baking" agenda?

Speak your mind baby!

Yeah, yeah, I'm off-topic but trust me I am capable of way worse things.

Later that day Sally was sent to ESMB ethics for her sin of derailing a thread.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I simply can't help myself...:wink2:

Are you outing me for being on ESMB to promote my "bridge to total baking" agenda?

Speak your mind baby!

Yeah, yeah, I'm off-topic but trust me I am capable of way worse things.

Later that day Sally was sent to ESMB ethics for her sin of derailing a thread.

Lol!

Yes, I had you firmly in mind ...

Actually, you are one of the people who make me feel comfortable here and keen to return.

 

[Smurf]

Okay, Smurf. I got what you said in the first sentence of your post and the AFIAK...which I find humorous to a degree as you only "know" what you could find on the Web, read and Link to...but, then you decided to Post stuff hither and dither and comment on it. You go split all the hairs you want to, play veiled DOC's or GTFO and ignore exactly what I said.

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For God Sakes, hopefully someone will come along that can put me out of my misery...To the best of my recently jogged and suspect brain, I recall that it was "common knowledge" when I was on the Apollo that Franky, Frankie, Franklin and Nikki were once married and the rest I have Posted is from me memory of direct, firsthand knowledge or personally told to information.

If I'm wrong, I will be the first to graciously apologize and suffer the embarrassment...As I have before on ESMB on the couple of times I was in factual error or my "conjecture" was corrected by someone that I personally knew would know better than I, or by DOC's.

You're quite the drama queen. :confused2: All I asked for were links to confirm what you posted. And, you reply with the same, usual rant because you were asked to confirm what you posted.

Thank you ILove2Lurk for posting the Auditor magazine caption.. it confirms that the showgirl was Nikki. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/auditor-mag-2

Face

 

[uncover]

The "tales from smurf-city" are boring...... just saying.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Bird,

Since you have asked now look within your own heart, therein is your answer.

as it happens, FBM, i'm long and well known for my own compassion and generosity of spirit

in the question i posed i think perhaps there is a classic example of paradox; compassion can only be given freely

and yet for those who know it's feathers and it's thorns it is owed; one thinks of the apostle paul's self description as "a prisoner of the christ"...

but...

returning to more controversial dialogue...

my great esteem for the subject of auditing is ENTIRELY born of my own compassion. i love it for what it has enabled me to do for others. and thus i am puzzled why you, an advocate of compassion, should have such an absence of respect for the effective healing and nourishing things i and others have done with the subject...


which is not to say Co$$$$$ doesn't sukkk because it does...

 

[Commander Birdsong]

The "tales from smurf-city" are boring...... just saying.

to you perhaps...

not to me

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Some believe that actions are justified that assist OSA's denigration of certain long time activists.

I do not agree. Whether it is motivated by jealousy, self importance, psychopathy, poor judgement, or the effort to build reputation upon the bodies of those attacked, or brown envelopes containing blood money, is irrelevant, it is a distinction without a difference in result from what OSA desires.

And I do not believe a billion dollar satanic corporation needs any help, regardless of motive.

Arnie Lerma

The following requires multiple readings...

“That hatred springs more from self-contempt than from a legitimate grievance is seen in the intimate connection between hatred and a guilty conscience. There is perhaps no surer way of infecting ourselves with virulent hatred toward a person than by doing him a grave injustice. That others have a just grievance against us is a more potent reason for hating them than that we have a just grievance against them. ……Self-righteousness is a loud din raised to drown the voice of guilt within us.” Eric Hoffer, "True Believer"

"and i do not believe a billion dollar satanic corporation needs any help regardless of motive"

geez arnie...

what would happen to the economy if congress didn't bail out wall street?

 

[RogerB]

"and i do not believe a billion dollar satanic corporation needs any help regardless of motive"

geez arnie...

what would happen to the economy if congress didn't bail out wall street?

Ummm . . . maybe "the economy," the markets, USA and it politicians might possibly get honest and straight, do an honest days work and all could prosper?

Umm, too bloody much to hope for, unfortunately, as none are likely to understand the notion

R

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Ummm . . . maybe "the economy," the markets, USA and it politicians might possibly get honest and straight, do an honest days work and all could prosper?

Umm, too bloody much to hope for, unfortunately, as none are likely to understand the notion

R

hmmm...

rog, perhaps you still suffer the naivete that got you into CoS...

 

[RogerB]

Hey, Veda . . .

You did good starting this thread . . . . it's developed into a wiz!!

Got to know some good folks I did not rub noses with before, had some shits confirmed as shits and had some real troupers and good guys stand tall and call it like it is.

What can I say . . . ESMB to the core!

R

 

[Free Being Me]

I don't think anyone on a forum owes anyone else much of anything.

What about ...

Behind our computer screens are living breathing human beings, our morals shouldn't stop because someone is a "pixel."

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ahhh...

but can these be said to "be owed" to someone?

thorny question wot?

Bird,

Since you have asked now look within your own heart, therein is your answer.

as it happens, FBM, i'm long and well known for my own compassion and generosity of spirit

in the question i posed i think perhaps there is a classic example of paradox; compassion can only be given freely

and yet for those who know it's feathers and it's thorns it is owed; one thinks of the apostle paul's self description as "a prisoner of the christ"...

but...

returning to more controversial dialogue...

my great esteem for the subject of auditing is ENTIRELY born of my own compassion. i love it for what it has enabled me to do for others. and thus i am puzzled why you, an advocate of compassion, should have such an absence of respect for the effective healing and nourishing things i and others have done with the subject...


which is not to say Co$$$$$ doesn't sukkk because it does...

Sigh

 

[phenomanon]

Are you sure? Frankie Freeman was not married to Nikki, AFAIK. His real name when he was a casino pit boss in Las Vegas (where he met his showgirl wife) was Franklin Friedman or Freedman. He changed it to Freeman. He's been married to Arte Maren's ex-wife, Mary, for decades. She began working on the Royal Scotsman with LRH, then with Frankie on the Apollo. They are now FZ's in Idaho.

"Neville, together with Frankie Friedman (who recently moved to our area of Northern Idaho – of all places – and is part of what we call the “Marty Party” of “independent scientologists” and uses an assumed name of Frankie Freeman) were referred to as Hubbard’s thugs (bodyguards) in disgraced former British consul – John Forte (deceased) – book The Commodore and The Colonels. Neville was also referred to by Forte as a “British professional boxer”.

Other documents and sources that I have yet to bring up, discuss that Frankie was a former Mob (Mafia) pit boss in Las Vegas just prior to his entrance into the happy drug-smuggling and money-laundering crew of Hubbard’s Sea Organization. Frankie’s wife back at the time, was a former Vegas showgirl starring in one of their longest running shows (briefly, that is)"

http://mikemcclaughry.wordpress.com...apter-thirty-suspicious-deaths-in-scientology

Franklin & his wife worked at the Tropicana.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jan/15/tropicana-close-les-folies-bergere

"Frankie Freedman, a former pit boss in a Las Vegas casino and a Scientologist of ten years' standing, knew the Sea Org was going ashore because he had been scouring South Carolina, Georgia and Florida for a property with a security perimeter which could be used as a staging-post until a permanent land base was established. His 'shore story' was that he was a representative of a phoney corporation - Southern Land Sales and Development - which was looking to lease properties for church-organized retreats."

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/bfm20.htm

"That photo came from Frankie Freedman, who is now calling himself Franklin Freeman. He has been married to Mary Maren for decades, so she is Mary Freeman. She is very well known for her ethics courses. She has been doing miraculous ethics handlings for decades. Mary was at the last Freezone Convention in Pasadena last October."

http://www.forum.exscn.net/printthread.php?t=10103&pp=10&page=209

http://scientolipedia.org/info/Franklin_and_Mary_Freeman

Frankie's name WAS Freedman. He changed it to Freeman when he went work at Mayo's Center in Sta Barbara.
When they left California, they were here in Seattle for a while, trying to get sumpin going. It didn't end well here.
BTW, Mary's Ethics handling is absolutely great. It has little resemblance to COS ethics handlings.

 

[phenomanon]

Okay, Smurf. I got what you said in the first sentence of your post and the AFIAK...which I find humorous to a degree as you only "know" what you could find on the Web, read and Link to...but, then you decided to Post stuff hither and dither and comment on it. You go split all the hairs you want to, play veiled DOC's or GTFO and ignore exactly what I said.

I never said I knew for a fact that Franky, Frankie, Franklin were married. I asked why, if they weren't she was going using the surname Freeman, Freedman, Friedman in the early '70's on the Apollo. I also stated, truthfully, that Franky, Frankie, Franklin told me he had been a Pit Boss in Las Vegas. I also stated, truthfully, that Bill Broderick (based on a first hand, reputable source) had told me that Nikki had been a Showgirl in Vegas. I also stated, truthfully, that the face of the women in the picture sure as Hell is Nikki (whom you never met, or interacted with AFAIK). I also stated, truthfully, that to my knowledge Franky, Frankie, Franklin in the Early Days of the Apollo. That's the best I can recall.

Maybe she was never legally married to Franky, Frankie, Franklin...that I don't know for a fact. Maybe her Maiden name was Freeman, Freedman, Friedman and she was never a Las Vegas Showgirl and Rosemary Broderick lied to her husband about what was passed it on to me.

All I know and my damaged brain can recall is what I have stated and now restated.

For God Sakes, hopefully someone will come along that can put me out of my misery...To the best of my recently jogged and suspect brain, I recall that it was "common knowledge" when I was on the Apollo that Franky, Frankie, Franklin and Nikki were once married and the rest I have Posted is from me memory of direct, firsthand knowledge or personally told to information.

If I'm wrong, I will be the first to graciously apologize and suffer the embarrassment...As I have before on ESMB on the couple of times I was in factual error or my "conjecture" was corrected by someone that I personally knew would know better than I, or by DOC's.

Face

Face,, I dunno if Nikki was ever married to Frankie. I first met him when his name was Freedman, and then he changed it to Freeman when he went to david Mayo's in Santa Barbara.

 

[Lermanet_com]

Face,, I dunno if Nikki was ever married to Frankie. I first met him when his name was Freedman, and then he changed it to Freeman when he went to david Mayo's in Santa Barbara.

I knew Frankie Freedman, also in the early 70's, a good guy then...

 

[RogerB]

hmmm...

rog, perhaps you still suffer the naivete that got you into CoS...

Well, there are the lessons of history to learn from . . . Iceland pulled it of.

Though, I must admit, you might be thinking I believe these dogs in the US who have prostituted themselves to the money powers could do something sensible, honorable, honest and decent. That would be rather like thinking in 1939, Hitler and his acolytes could get honest, straight and decent.

I punned with a possibility . . . not a likelihood.

I do sometimes see the humor in what ought be the logical truth . . . but the truth is, such in an insane society is so much an oxymoron as to be laughably absurd.

It just takes a bit of wit to see it . . . there are few who do.

R

 

[Smurf]

Hey, Veda . . . You did good starting this thread . . . . it's developed into a wiz!! Got to know some good folks I did not rub noses with before, had some shits confirmed as shits and had some real troupers and good guys stand tall and call it like it is. What can I say . . . ESMB to the core!

Does this mean I won't be receiving my fruitcake this year?

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Does this mean I won't be receiving my fruitcake this year?

I do believe I'm off his Christmas card list too.

 

[Moderator 2]

Jeez, quit it will ya?

M2

FIFY.




Nah, Roger wins that easily, every year ...