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04/09/14 Austin Appeals Court Hearing regarding DM's Deposition Order

Discussion in 'Monique Rathbun' started by Lone Star, Apr 9, 2014.

  1. Adam7986

    Adam7986 Declared SP

    I get what you are saying and I have not disagreed with you. It's a fun thing to say, but it misses the point by a mile and a half. :unsure: I was trying to say that it's not about clean hands. It goes without saying why DM doesn't want to be deposed. No one who is being sued for something ever wants to be deposed, least of all when it's true.

    Marty and Monique named several defendants in the lawsuit, which is why there are so many lawyers. Only 2 of them are there representing Miscavige and only those two have fought against his deposition: the Jefferson brothers.

    If I thought I could argue that I was outside the jurisdiction of the court and get myself removed from the suit just to avoid having to fly my ass to CA and/or spend the next three weeks being deposed (and then potentially have to testify in my own defense), yeah I probably would try to get out of it. One way only costs me money, the other way costs me time and money. And lots of both. Even though I might want to get out of being deposed, I probably couldn't afford it. But he can, and if I could afford to do what he is doing, I'd probably do it too.

    DM Is trying to squash the deposition first and then get himself dropped as a defendant in the suit. If he submitted to a deposition outright, then it could be considered that he is conceding to the jurisdiction of the court and so he could never get out of the suit.

    Of course we all know he is guilty of all kinds of crimes, but fortunately or unfortunately our legal system doesn't allow judges to take that position.
  2. Adam7986

    Adam7986 Declared SP

    I respectfully disagree. Anyone in the legal profession lives to argue with people. Disagreeing or ruling against someone constitutes no manner of respect or disrespect towards the person being disagreed with or ruled against. It's all part and parcel of the legal game.

    The legal profession and the banking profession both have one thing in common: in the end everyone gets paid (unless it's a charity case).
  3. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Nothing is impossible for "GOD" and Davey boy knows it. He, in his mind knows he is the APEX god and has no hand in or knowledge of mere mortal organizations and his only duty is to visit his [STRIKE]Ideal Orgs[/STRIKE] pots of Gold and make sure by his 'reign' of terror that they are appropriately emptied of souls and cash :) besides Texas is such a small state why would any "big being' be bothered with it anyhow. LOL Daveyboy's constipated law. :yes:

    Maybe because Dm knows he is the 'devil' and it is only pretending to be 'god'. We could add a new definition of hell in the dictionary. DM's mind. :hysterical:

    Regardless of all of the above, this is a civil harassment case not what what the defenders are trying to parlay it into.
    Obviously my IANAL opinions.
  4. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    I kind of agree with you and I kind of don't.

    You have a person who was number one judge making himself into a lawyer (which is lower than a judge) making an argument to other judges who, up until three months ago, were underneath him.

    And the winning or losing of this argument is really, really important to the client, who is the first client of this now ex-judge.

    I just think the dynamics of this must be weird all around.

    And though disagreeing with him wouldn't necessarily mean disrespect, it still means he loses.

    And losing, you know, will be a big issue for this client and therefore this ex-judge.
  5. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    It is really wonderful to see this combination of heart felt compassion and mental brilliance come together.:thumbsup: I am grateful and encouraged by the defense team and the 'reporters' and even commentators.

  6. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    May I interject?

    I may be off, but seeing how DM LOVES LOVES LOVES Rathbun, I am pretty sure, more than any other requested deposition, there is NO WAY IN HELL he will submit to one for RATHBUN. I am pretty sure that it is a supercharged area for DM. And it's personal.

    Not directly related to what you are saying.

    But DM will happily dish out parishoners donated money to keep himself out of the case.


    And who's to say even if he is deposed, he will deny everything and then Jeffreys comes out with a bunch more evidence proving perjury? I don't know the law, so excuse my ignorance. I almost have this feeling they want him to lie in deposition. Pretty sure it helps their case, not hinders it.
  7. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Pray. :biggrin:
  8. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    Re: 04/09/14 Austin Appeals Court Hearing - John MacCormack's Article

    From John MacCormack @ the San Antonio Express-News...

    "Scientology Harassment Case Reaches Texas Appeals Court"

    Excerpt #1:
    Excerpt #2:
    Excerpt #3:
    I'm extremely pleased to see Mr. MacCormack continues reporting on this case.

    Please read the entire article -- he's even got pics of DM on the page. Link here:
  9. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    I would love for a judge to reply to that just once with...

    Wallace: Scientology is the fastest growing religion on the planet with tens of millions of followers and respected worldwide.

    Justice: Is it really? I have never heard of it before, is it a cloistered religion?

  10. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Michael Bennitt was recently Emailed a slime veiled-threat Email as part of an OSA Black Ops.

    To celebrate OSA Fair Game and Black Ops ~~
    Mike Bennitt is going to release ALL his videos of the Court Room Scenes and all his Flickr account images of the Court scenes to Wikipedia and Wikimedia. (Wiki has been asking him for a while, and even asking me to ask him.)

    Due to OSA Black Ops Mike Bennitt will even go further than that. He is assigning a Creative Commons Attribution License like I do with my videos, It means anyone can copy, distribute, propagate, mirror, ad infinitum. All media can take as much as they want of these videos with no worries of any sort.

    The Law of Unintended Consequences ! :yes:

    Take a peek at some of his Flickr Court room scenes photos....soon being given to everyone, including all media in the world !
  11. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Where's the Fucking Far Out button when you need it? :biggrin:

  12. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    Wash someone's feet.
  13. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    It's hard to predict what these judges are thinking and feeling. Who knows? A certain percentage of state judges may not like Wallace Jefferson. They may love the opportunity to "stick it to him". Or they may really like and respect him, but will do their job and rule according to the facts of this case as they see and perceive them.

    My gut feeling on the three judges yesterday is that they are going to rule according to the law regardless of who the plaintiff's or defendant's attorneys are. I think most judges are honorable people who take the law and their profession seriously. Of course there are some dishonorable snakes who don the robe. Perhaps around ten percent? Maybe more, maybe less.
  14. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    I actually don't know either.

    I guess my own life and my own world skew my perspective on some things.

    I work in a corporation, and underneath the smooth exterior, things are incredibly political. For the most part, people will not do something against someone they perceive could hurt them later on down the line. People who are or have been powerful, people who have friends who are and have been powerful...for the most part, most people avoid fucking with them or crossing them.

    Women work there, minorities work there, but, at the end of the day, the Good Old Boys rule.

    And you just don't clash with that.

    I attended kind of a mini-course on Being Successful At Work that was given by my company. One of the points the instructor made: "Everyone doesn't have to be your friend. But don't make anyone an enemy."

    Just kind of brought that think into this.

    Like I said, don't know if I'm right or not. Certainly hope I'm not.

    But, believe me. It happens. Even where it shouldn't.
  15. Intentionally Blank

    Intentionally Blank Scientology Widow

    Sorry about your parents and siblings - that bites. We've experienced it in our immediate family too. We've also seen catholics/christians do the same when it's their church/pastor/ecclesiastical leader who's under the microscope for misconduct.

  16. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I missed the point by a mile and a half. You scared me there Adam, I thought you were gonna say I missed it by 5 miles, so I did better than expected. :laugh:

    Anyways, somebody around this joint mentioned beer, so I'm having one, well I guess I'm on my third, no maybe 5th, I lost track, no matter, theres plenty in the esky. And speaking of Adam, I'm not drinking Samuel Adams beer.

    I Know what you are saying. I tend to post like I'm talking to a lurker or a scientologist. My bad, I should prefix more.

    Anyways, I'm off to Armadillo Williy's. :thumbsup:
  17. Adam7986

    Adam7986 Declared SP

    I could use a few good beers or 20!

    I was actually going to be completely ridiculous and go for some weird fraction like .8359 miles just to emphasize my sarcasm. I shouldn't have said "the point" anyway, I should have said you missed "my point" [But that just sounded wrong. :p]. What "the point" is, is anyone's guess.
  18. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    Bumping this thread because...

    While there is no official deadline within which the 3-judge Appellate Panel must generate their decision, it is worth noting that the hearing in this matter took place 60 days ago today.

    The appealed issue - whether or not Judge Waldrip was correct to Order that David Miscavige be deposed - isn't an extraordinary or complex legal issue (no matter what DM thinks, heh) so it's reasonable to think the Appellate Panel's decision will come soon.

    Popcorn, anyone?

  19. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron


    Legal action seems to be popping up everywhere with $cientology/NarCONon but you know that this one upsets Captain Dave most of all.

  20. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    (My bold above.)

    Exactly so, Tetloj. :thumbsup:
    What makes this even funnier is that Judge Waldrip's Order only says that DM must submit to a severely limited deposition -- questions about jurisdiction + jurisdiction-related issues only.
    What will DM do if/when he's Ordered to testify @ a full deposition? :lol:

    My guess?
    This Appellate Panel will rule that Judge Waldrip's Order is perfectly legal/correct...and TeamDM+RTC will promptly appeal to the TX Supreme Court.