13 March 2008 event prediction, SH size requirements, OT IX and X
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Dulloldfart
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lrnobs
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In the publicly available list they show them as one, which is of course how the real world would view it. Real churches do not have to pad their stats. They do have millions of members and thousands of churches.
There is an itty bitty Christian church a few blocks from me. They typically have about 30 cars in the parking lot on Sundays, which is about the same amount that is in the St Louis COS parking lot on Saturdays and Sundays.
Alan
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In the publicly available list they show them as one, which is of course how the real world would view it. Real churches do not have to pad their stats. They do have millions of members and thousands of churches.
There is an itty bitty Christian church a few blocks from me. They typically have about 30 cars in the parking lot on Sundays, which is about the same amount that is in the St Louis COS parking lot on Saturdays and Sundays.
25 of those cars are St Louis COS staff cars!
ChaoticPsychotic
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I got a lovely recruitment call last weekend. Some young girl politely inquired if I had ever been on staff. I told her no. (I was in the SO, never on staff) She acted confused - I think I was on a list she had as having been on staff. She told me that she was calling all old staff members to see if they wanted to re-join. I told her that I was not a Scientologist. She asked if I ever had been. I told her yes I had but no longer was. She wanted to know if I had an ARC break of sorts. I laughed and told her "honey, you don't even want to go there!".
They are desperate. They are trying to get people back on board.
I get nightly phone calls to see if I have gotten the new basics package.
The org near my house is so freaked out by Anonymous that they are running nightly all-night watch shifts!
Eager to see what March 15th brings!
They are desperate. They are trying to get people back on board.
I get nightly phone calls to see if I have gotten the new basics package.
The org near my house is so freaked out by Anonymous that they are running nightly all-night watch shifts!
Eager to see what March 15th brings!
Crusty Old Bastard
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Def. of St. Hill Size Long Since Changed
Great post LBV -
The prediction of XI and X coming out at next years MV event is pretty much a given at this point.
Of course there is that "All Orgs to St. Hill Size" problem. But hey, you can always change the definition.
If fact, as I am sure you know, the definition of what is a "St. Hill Size Org" was already changed several years back.
For those getting up to speed on this subject, here is a bit more data:
The stated, specific statistical requirements an Org needed to meet to be "St. Hill Size" per the "How Big Was Old St. Hill?" booklet has been utterly changed.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=18328&postcount=2
ALL the emphasis now is on IDEAL Orgs - which by their very nature will essentially be "St. Hill Size". Basically, the idea even of St. Hill Size has been replaced by being Ideal. It is MORE IMPORTANT to staff to be Ideal than St. Hill Size. Just ask them.
You would think that changing this very well know requirement would case veteran Staff to go to arms - hardly. Public Scn's really never knew what it took statistically to be St. Hill Size, so of course the would not notice if the definition changed - plus just throw some sparkly PR at the new Ideal Org program and you sell public easy enough. But the guys who have been on staff for 20 years KNOW what the requirements are for St. Hill Size - so why don't they say something?
Easy - they DON'T KNOW the "Ideal Orgs" they see that are now "St. Hill Size" are tiny. They mostly assume they really are truly St. Hill Size. How would they know otherwise? They are too busy looking inward at their own Org to wonder much about exactly how many staff there are in Spain, Tampa, New York, etc. Meanwhile those Orgs are all but empty with small staff.
DM has already completely changed the def. of St. Hill Size - this occurred several years ago with the launch of the Ideal Org program.
And Scn's didn't notice.
There really is no reason to make it so Scn staff make the same as an outside job would. I really see no way this is actually possible. Sure 30% CGI is for staff pay - add to this FSM commissions. But remember, after the CGI (the CORRECTED gross income) is a few thousand dollars for everyone to share. Or the CGI can also be zero.
There is NO WAY Orgs can afford to pay staff at a rate commensurate to an outside job - they simply don't make that much money. Honestly - if you sat in on an Org's FP you would see that they could never support that. Unless the did not pay: tithes, film fees, promo fees, event / release fees, building fund, regular internal POs for supplies, and their regular bills.
The only reason Orgs get buy is that they DON'T have to pay staff. If they did - they would simply not be able to stay open.
There may be some exceptions - but this is true certainly for the vast majority of Orgs.
Putting the carrot out there for "more staff pay" and "you are St. Hill Size when staff make the same as a wog job" is a great PR line, but to sustain that the Org would have to sell auditing and training in volume, which they don't. They would have to be a REAL St. Hill size org - 200 auditor students, 25 HGC auditors, 5 staff staff auditors and be making 250,000 US a week - that is a pipe dream for your average Class V Org.
It will be interesting to see the spin that DM puts on this. I heard about this "new staff pay plan" being piloted about 4 years ago - I never heard anything since.
He will do whatever is necessary to say Orgs are "St. Hill Size" (even when their auditors made is 2 and everyone in Div 6 is an old timer doing the Basics [with maybe 2 real div 6ers] and a staff of 30) so that OT XI and X can be released. No doubt about it, he needs a big "watershed" event.
And of course eliminating expanded grades and replacing them with the "restoration" of Quad Grades means that NO BODY will ever do auditor training again - it will be the nail in the coffin. Why train when you can just buy 3 -4 intensives for ALL your grades? It will be the swan song of training forever.
And why quickie all these guys through grades? Easy - OTs are CASH COWS - lower level PCs are not. An OT VII will have to donate a good 30K to 40K a year (6 month checks, pledge intensives, accomos, cramming, review, Basics, etc.) where as Joe, sitting at the bottom of the Bridge does not. Give him an OT level carrot though and watch him FLY up that Bridge. Hell, he has been waiting a long time to do so, so let's get him moving! To the reg that is.
Nice to see a Class IV making such sweeping technical changes.
Funny, RTC is not supposed to manage Orgs directly . . . and yet . . .
Crusty Old Bastard
Great post LBV -
The prediction of XI and X coming out at next years MV event is pretty much a given at this point.
Of course there is that "All Orgs to St. Hill Size" problem. But hey, you can always change the definition.
If fact, as I am sure you know, the definition of what is a "St. Hill Size Org" was already changed several years back.
For those getting up to speed on this subject, here is a bit more data:
The stated, specific statistical requirements an Org needed to meet to be "St. Hill Size" per the "How Big Was Old St. Hill?" booklet has been utterly changed.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=18328&postcount=2
ALL the emphasis now is on IDEAL Orgs - which by their very nature will essentially be "St. Hill Size". Basically, the idea even of St. Hill Size has been replaced by being Ideal. It is MORE IMPORTANT to staff to be Ideal than St. Hill Size. Just ask them.
You would think that changing this very well know requirement would case veteran Staff to go to arms - hardly. Public Scn's really never knew what it took statistically to be St. Hill Size, so of course the would not notice if the definition changed - plus just throw some sparkly PR at the new Ideal Org program and you sell public easy enough. But the guys who have been on staff for 20 years KNOW what the requirements are for St. Hill Size - so why don't they say something?
Easy - they DON'T KNOW the "Ideal Orgs" they see that are now "St. Hill Size" are tiny. They mostly assume they really are truly St. Hill Size. How would they know otherwise? They are too busy looking inward at their own Org to wonder much about exactly how many staff there are in Spain, Tampa, New York, etc. Meanwhile those Orgs are all but empty with small staff.
DM has already completely changed the def. of St. Hill Size - this occurred several years ago with the launch of the Ideal Org program.
And Scn's didn't notice.
There really is no reason to make it so Scn staff make the same as an outside job would. I really see no way this is actually possible. Sure 30% CGI is for staff pay - add to this FSM commissions. But remember, after the CGI (the CORRECTED gross income) is a few thousand dollars for everyone to share. Or the CGI can also be zero.
There is NO WAY Orgs can afford to pay staff at a rate commensurate to an outside job - they simply don't make that much money. Honestly - if you sat in on an Org's FP you would see that they could never support that. Unless the did not pay: tithes, film fees, promo fees, event / release fees, building fund, regular internal POs for supplies, and their regular bills.
The only reason Orgs get buy is that they DON'T have to pay staff. If they did - they would simply not be able to stay open.
There may be some exceptions - but this is true certainly for the vast majority of Orgs.
Putting the carrot out there for "more staff pay" and "you are St. Hill Size when staff make the same as a wog job" is a great PR line, but to sustain that the Org would have to sell auditing and training in volume, which they don't. They would have to be a REAL St. Hill size org - 200 auditor students, 25 HGC auditors, 5 staff staff auditors and be making 250,000 US a week - that is a pipe dream for your average Class V Org.
It will be interesting to see the spin that DM puts on this. I heard about this "new staff pay plan" being piloted about 4 years ago - I never heard anything since.
He will do whatever is necessary to say Orgs are "St. Hill Size" (even when their auditors made is 2 and everyone in Div 6 is an old timer doing the Basics [with maybe 2 real div 6ers] and a staff of 30) so that OT XI and X can be released. No doubt about it, he needs a big "watershed" event.
And of course eliminating expanded grades and replacing them with the "restoration" of Quad Grades means that NO BODY will ever do auditor training again - it will be the nail in the coffin. Why train when you can just buy 3 -4 intensives for ALL your grades? It will be the swan song of training forever.
And why quickie all these guys through grades? Easy - OTs are CASH COWS - lower level PCs are not. An OT VII will have to donate a good 30K to 40K a year (6 month checks, pledge intensives, accomos, cramming, review, Basics, etc.) where as Joe, sitting at the bottom of the Bridge does not. Give him an OT level carrot though and watch him FLY up that Bridge. Hell, he has been waiting a long time to do so, so let's get him moving! To the reg that is.
Nice to see a Class IV making such sweeping technical changes.
Funny, RTC is not supposed to manage Orgs directly . . . and yet . . .
Crusty Old Bastard
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Oh that's easy - the UC won't touch your staff unless they are already Clear.
Problem solved as they never will be. Even with Quad Grades coming back, they would still need to do the prurif, Objs, DRD, HRD and then NED.
So -the Orgs will all be Ideal, St. Hill size and all, but the staff will still not be Clear, so no need for UC.
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