How funny that there was been at least one "drive by turd dropper" on this thread that has most likely come from Marty's camp - The very thing they were complaining about happening on the Marty's sacred blog!
Your post creates questions in my mind.
I post here as what I am - a person who has lived his life outside of scientology. I was never on staff, never went up the Bridge, never
got any training beyond basic Trs and had a little auditing back in the 1970s. I did the Purif when it was first released because I had taken
many LSD trips and I thought I needed it.
I have lived a working-class life in a college town, raised children and all that.
Your post raises the question -what are the issues here?
I see ESMBers on this thread lauding what appears to be an act of aggression by one of it's members, towards another group. I see Al being
"love bombed" and praised and encouraged., and I see some posters encouraging other posters to go to the other groups blog and do more of
the same.
When I worked in a therapeutic setting for kids for awhile, this would have been called "instigating" or "trying to set him up" by us, the staff.
In the language we used, it would have been called a game of "Let's you and him fight". The instigators would have been counseled against
doing it, and eventually would have had some consequences applied to them..
Now, I have not read whatever posts Marty made over here, or why a fellow named "Atcause" was banned from ESMB, if he was. I haven't seen
that ESMB casually bans people.
But I have not seen anyone on Marty's blog egging people on to come over here and start dropping turds. But I have seen ESMBers encouraging
other ESMBers to go to Marty's blog and "rant"'and probably communicate in ways that would be perceived as "dropping turds"
Up to this point, the aggression seems to have been one-sided, and it has been from the ESMB side, even if it is only one person. But
that person, Alanzo, seems to have some support for it here.
Is this really descending down to the level of "who dropped the first turd"?
That would be very disappointing to me. I thought ESMB operated on a higher standard, that of a pluralistic society, in which people were
free to speak their minds, but by the same token respected the rights of others to speak their own minds.
Am I finding out this is not really true?
By analogy, Anons are allowed to protest outside of orgs, but there are some limits. They are not allowed to go into the orgs and protest
there, inside.
I don't see how this is any different. ESMB is "Emma's org", and Marty's blog is "Marty's org" (or house or club). I think in a civil
society, the same kind of limits apply in virtual reality, as do in the real world.
"Virtual real estate" needs to be respected all around, in a pluralistic, free speech oriented society. People and groups have a right to
their own space, their privacy.
Hubbard advocated at times, that scientologists not respect the privacy of others. Perhaps some ESMBers are not as "out" of the scientology
mindset as they like to think, and are still operating on the priciple that it is OK to go on someone else's property and act like they
own the place, and post things they know will be found offensive. That is excessive self-importance, is it not?
No. It is not OK. Whether it is ESMB, or Marty's blog, or a Republican or Democrat or Communist or even Neo-Fascist site, there are rules of
civil behavior. At best it is like bringing your politics to the ice cream social. It can happen innocently and may be forgiven, but it is
still gauche, a social faux pas.
I my "liberal" little college town, some Nazis/White supremacists/skinheads once wanted to have a public demonstration. They got the
necessary permits, read the rules and did their thing near City Hall, on public property. There were plenty of counter-demonstators, of
course, but there were also plenty of police. The rules were followed by all, there were no fistfights, although feelings ran high.
My friends and I can gather at my house or at our club, and say whatever we want about anything. But we don't go to your house or your
club uninvited and say what ever we want there especially if we know it would be offensive to you.
Some advocate that blogs and forums are "public places". This is not true. In most cases someone is paying for hosting, tech support,
design, and is putting their "sweat equity" (effort and time)into having it there. They are private property.
And it is respect for that, that makes free speech and pluralism possible.
I see the issues here as revolving around free speech, right of assembly, respect for the rights of others, freedom from harassment, and
civil behavior/civil rights.
That goes both ways. If ESMBers and Martyites descend to raiding each other's places of assembly to drop turds on each other, I will be
disappointed.
Folks here like to think they are all about free speech and all that, but I did notice that Emma made a point of encouraging ESMBers to be
civil to Karen. Why did Emma feel she needed to do that?
Perhaps ESMB, as good as it is, is still not utopia, and doesn't have "God on it's side" anymore than any other group. But some ESMBers are "on a mission" and I don't think they will have truly got out of scientology until they leave that behind too, and just learn to live normal lives. Until then, they are still reacting and being controlled by scientology.
I read Marty's blog too, as well as Jeff's and Geir's, but Marty never pretended he was all about free speech. So I don't see why that is even an issue.
and my hope is that each Indie Scio makes sure to keep safe the very freedoms that were taken away while "in"! 
things, including how "Irresponsible" we were.
