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20 questions about the religious cloaking of scientology.

Discussion in 'David Miscavige and Current Management' started by Free to shine, May 30, 2015.

  1. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Excellent post!

    Typically in government regulatory law, it is an EXTREME measure to rescind and cancel (i.e. a duly issued Cease & Desist order) a license to operate in a certain industry or capacity. For example, persons selling securities (investment instruments) have to be properly licensed or they can be criminally prosecuted.

    When such a party/corporate entity VIOLATES any of the regulations it triggers an investigation, followed by findings, fines, restrictions and possibly penalties, criminal liability and even the sanction of canceling the license and forbidding future activity with investments. All things are on the table.

    With Scientology, the intuitive and seemingly logical opinion of critics (including me, lol) is that their non-profit status should be canceled for all the reasons we all know so well. However, that is a WIN or DIE proposition for both the critic and the COS.

    More specifically, the critic rightfully feels that the ONLY way to right this injustice is to have the IRS cancel their non-profit status. On the other side of the equation, the COS would spend BILLIONS in legal fees to avoid that so they are not destroyed. This pits unfunded critics vs. a multi-billion dollar well-organized crime syndicate. No contest.

    What a regulatory agency (like the IRS) might be prompted to do (another discussion) is to issue SANCTIONS vs. the cult, while not canceling their 501c3 status. And to suspend their status pending a full resolution where changes and safeguards are put in place which separate the strictly "religious" part of Scientology (probably equal to about 3-5% of their activities) from the money part of Scientology (appx. 97%).

    Anything involving money would be withdrawn from their sweepingly general non-profit umbrella. That would mean all donations for auditing and training. And, the majority of the physical space in the org would be mapped out as to what WAS and WAS NOT being used for the business. This is exactly what the IRS proscribes when an individual takes tax write-offs for an office space at their private home--they literally take the sq. foot measurement and only can deduct a pro-rated amount.

    Sure, it's messy. But the entire business of collecting taxes is infinitely more messy and complicated so that's nothing the IRS doesn't deal with 365 days a year.

    What the COS would ultimately be left with, under such a scenario, is the ability to collect PURE DONATIONS as their only source of untaxed money. All the space used (other than the designated "chapel") would be subject to payroll taxes, property taxes, et al.

    I think there is merit in exploring this because it doesn't attempt to attack the COS' status as a religion. Let them have it, but let them then live with the fact that virtually all of their orgs, personnel and money matters are strictly a business (aside from IAS).

    Wait, I am ranting again. LOL

    ---end of rant--
  2. Veda

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    Just for fun, what is the "strictly 'religious' part of Scientology equal to about 3-5% of their activities?"
  3. HelluvaHoax!

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    Well, just for fun, it was an estimate of how much of a Scientologist's time inside the org was spent on activity other than BEING IN THE COURSE-ROOM, GETTING AUDITING, GIVING AUDITING or BEING REGGED.

    One would need to total up all the time spent on such non-business (i.e. religious) activities as:

    * in the canteen (during course breaks) nourishing their first dynamics

    * on routing forms, walking down various corridors en route to an auditing session or courtroom.

    * conferring with Scientology ministers if they know where any toilet paper is.

    * mustering at graduations or in reception, applauding "a lucky man who made the grade"[SUP]*[/SUP]


    [SUP]*[/SUP] enjoy restored video :)
  4. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I suggest that the James Madison's very successful action of eliminating any government support , direct or, indirect through blocking of court adjudication of any sect in it's uncivil actions.

    All that likely would have to be done is correct the ' religion ' clause of the first Amendment ( it was actually the 3rd in its draft ) .

    Madison would pick up the fight again during the drafting of the First Amendment. As chairman of the House conference committee on the Bill of Rights, Madison's original draft was among the most ambitious: "the civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship...nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed...." Though somewhat less expansive in its protections, the final version--"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" --clearly bears the Madison stamp.

    In appealing to those dissenting sects that had at one time opposed the Anglican establishment, he warned that a coercive tax would not be to the advantage of Christianity. He pointed out the history of religious warfare in Europe, in which the intrusion of the state to enforce the views of one group had inevitably sapped the moral force of all religion. Instead of men being governed by true moral and religious values, they fell prey to ‘‘superstition, bigotry, and persecution.’’ Interestingly, Madison also made a very practical argument in noting that religious tolerance in the New World had been one of the magnets that drew people across the Atlantic. Do away with it, he warned, and Virginia would neither attract new settlers nor retard the emigration from the state that was at the time a great concern of the Assembly. behavior must be civil in the market place.
  5. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'll see your rant and raise it!

    I support a multi-pronged strategy to bring justice to Scientology. The Federal Government goes after Organized Crime, the Drug Cartels, and I simply refuse to believe that Scientology's abuses are beyond their reach, or the depth of their pockets.
    Almost 2 years ago Senator Ron Wyden, replying to a constituent who had written him, asking Catherine Barre, Director of Legislative Affairs at the IRS to respond. It took a single letter. (
    Jeffrey Augustine has also researched, and provided information for concerned individuals to file complaints with the IRS. Hopefully, someone has the link to it.

    Republicans and Democrats have been increasingly critical of Scientology's abuses. Leah Remini and Mike Rinder have educated millions of people about the horrors of this organization and although it upsets some of my liberal and progressive friends to hear, I believe the recent election of a populist insurgent
    offers a unique opportunity for him to act. We gave Obama 8 years to do something; now it's the other guys turn. I believe that his Evangelical base would shed no tears over his draining the religious swamp of groups like the Westboro Baptist Church and the Scientologists, both equally and justly reviled.
    Greta and Revolta can safe point until the proverbial cows come home.
    The public outcry of a united, coherent, ex-Scientology field along with brilliant, informed never-ins would be something behold.

    And while as I'm channeling Lawrence of Arabia here, LOL, I'm (secretly) hoping for a joint FBI/IRS investigation of the labyrinth of offshore accounts, disappeared children, blackmail, Slatkin-like Ponzi schemes and assorted cases of corruption of Government officials that is the hallmark of OSA.
    Oops, I've already said too much!

    (end of rant)
  6. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    Very inspiring! :thumbsup: I hope you don't mind, I'm going to quote you, Churchill ......


    Last edited: Feb 8, 2017
  7. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    And, once they got the toilet paper, the time spent in the restroom thanking god that they have it.